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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 18, 2022 19:22:25 GMT -8
"may infect same person twice". How about we have a massive amount of replicated data before we ditch natural immunity. Do you understand you are asking for mandatory boosters for life? Or until the government tells you you can stop? For your kids...for your grandkids. Why? The risk for hospitalization and death is incredibly low for younger individuals. Why would we force them to get vaccinated with an "emergency vaccine" and then boosted over and over again. We have no idea of the long term effects of doing that. We barely know the short term effects. If you want to get booster, go for it, now you are protected, but don't force everyone else to do it. Also, is this true? "US: Study Shows Omicron 91% Less Likely To Cause Deaths Compared To Delta Variant Of COVID" www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/us-study-shows-omicron-91-percent-less-likely-to-cause-deaths-compared-to-delta-variant-of-covid-articleshow.htmlWho knows. How about we spend some of that energy on early treatment and overall health. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 18, 2022 19:55:19 GMT -8
"may infect same person twice". How about we have a massive amount of replicated data before we ditch natural immunity. Do you understand you are asking for mandatory boosters for life? Or until the government tells you you can stop? For your kids...for your grandkids. Why? The risk for hospitalization and death is incredibly low for younger individuals. Why would we force them to get vaccinated with an "emergency vaccine" and then boosted over and over again. We have no idea of the long term effects of doing that. We barely know the short term effects. If you want to get booster, go for it, now you are protected, but don't force everyone else to do it. Also, is this true? "US: Study Shows Omicron 91% Less Likely To Cause Deaths Compared To Delta Variant Of COVID" www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/us-study-shows-omicron-91-percent-less-likely-to-cause-deaths-compared-to-delta-variant-of-covid-articleshow.htmlWho knows. How about we spend so of that energy on early treatment and overall health. 2.7 million served in Vietnam...58,000 died...therefore...using your skewed logic...war is relatively safe...it's less likely to cause death.... |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 18, 2022 20:03:08 GMT -8
What is the chance of death from covid for a healthy 20 year old, 12 year old and 5 year old?
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 19, 2022 6:51:16 GMT -8
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 19, 2022 7:03:46 GMT -8
Those are heart wrenching, but don't answer my question.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 19, 2022 7:23:15 GMT -8
This article might help your case. It is claiming that covid is a "major cause of death" in kids, but I don't see where they are getting their data from. (It says CDC, but I don't see the actual raw data) www.newsweek.com/2021/11/05/covid-now-major-cause-death-kids-many-parents-remain-hesitant-vaccine-1642720.htmlBut again, it doesn't seem to differentiate between healthy and unhealthy children. Going back to your war example, the risk of death for the 2.7 million services members was not the same for everyone...Some it was higher, some lower. How you would mitigate against those risks would not be the same for all individuals. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 19, 2022 8:27:17 GMT -8
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 19, 2022 11:56:08 GMT -8
Yes. A lot of people, adults and children are getting the new variant. It is amazing how many people I know that have gotten covid this winter compared to the entire last two years of covid. This includes vaccinated, vaccinated and boosted and unvaccinated individuals. I wonder what the next variant will be like.
How come you still can't answer how deadly that variant is to healthy individuals?
I believe, based on the current data, it is less deadly than the flu (for children, I don't know about adults), but much more contagious, therefore overall more children will die of Covid than the flu.
Sounds to me like parents should be allowed to do what is best for their child.
Are you really good with MANDATED Vaccines for children too? Plus boosters? For however long the government decides. As often as the government decides.
With an emergency vaccine? You want that for your kids and grandkids?
I really like the idea that if I am concerned about covid I have options, like vaccine and booster. I wish I had better early treatment options. And I wish we had a lot more data on the long term (and short term really) effects of vaccinations and boosters.
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 19, 2022 14:12:52 GMT -8
Yes. A lot of people, adults and children are getting the new variant. It is amazing how many people I know that have gotten covid this winter compared to the entire last two years of covid. This includes vaccinated, vaccinated and boosted and unvaccinated individuals. I wonder what the next variant will be like. How come you still can't answer how deadly that variant is to healthy individuals? I believe, based on the current data, it is less deadly than the flu (for children, I don't know about adults), but much more contagious, therefore overall more children will die of Covid than the flu. Sounds to me like parents should be allowed to do what is best for their child. Are you really good with MANDATED Vaccines for children too? Plus boosters? For however long the government decides. As often as the government decides. With an emergency vaccine? You want that for your kids and grandkids? I really like the idea that if I am concerned about covid I have options, like vaccine and booster. I wish I had better early treatment options. And I wish we had a lot more data on the long term (and short term really) effects of vaccinations and boosters. Just as in war...there are a lot more long-term injuries with Covid than death: COVID-19 (coronavirus): Long-term effectsOrgan damage caused by COVID-19"Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can also damage many other organs, including the heart, kidneys and the brain. Organ damage may lead to health complications that linger after COVID-19 illness. In some people, lasting health effects may include long-term breathing problems, heart complications, chronic kidney impairment, stroke and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis." Blood clots and blood vessel problems"COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle. Other parts of the body affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels and cause them to leak, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys." "Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest." www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#:~:text=In%20some%20people%2C%20lasting%20health,they%20have%20had%20COVID%2D19%20. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 19, 2022 15:24:04 GMT -8
It would be great to see the numbers on these based on age, health, risk factors etc.
Do you have that info?
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Still haven't given me info on mortality rate for health 20, 12 and 5 year old.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 20, 2022 20:22:28 GMT -8
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Post by azson on Jan 21, 2022 9:57:08 GMT -8
Just what this site needs, yet another Nazi false equivalence fallacy. Wie sagt man "ban hammer" auf Deutsch? |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 21, 2022 10:45:25 GMT -8
I saw this on CNN. Obviously kidding. I don't know what this is from and how fringe it is, but yeah if it is not fringe (or fake?), it is CRAZY!!! Canadian children taught to call police on unvaccinated. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLgPw3lU4UThis is just one example of what is out there. Can you see why someone would be concerned? And it feeling a "little" Nazi? No, I don't think we will be shooting the unvaccinated in the streets, or gassing them in camps, but I do think, if their power was not contained, there would be, or will be insane persecution against those you are not "fully vaccinated". For example the poll referenced earlier in this thread. Already, people are losing their jobs, being restricted access to areas, etc. Everyone fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated should be concerned about that. |
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Post by aztecnails on Jan 21, 2022 11:36:48 GMT -8
I saw this on CNN. Obviously kidding. I don't know what this is from and how fringe it is, but yeah if it is not fringe (or fake?), it is CRAZY!!! Canadian children taught to call police on unvaccinated. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLgPw3lU4UThis is just one example of what is out there. Can you see why someone would be concerned? And it feeling a "little" Nazi? No, I don't think we will be shooting the unvaccinated in the streets, or gassing them in camps, but I do think, if their power was not contained, there would be, or will be insane persecution against those you are not "fully vaccinated". For example the poll referenced earlier in this thread. Already, people are losing their jobs, being restricted access to areas, etc. Everyone fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated should be concerned about that. This social credit system will allow or restrict what any individual person can or can't do. Trials were held in China in 2009 and became fully used by the China government in 2014 from Wikipedia. This is being used in other countries. The game entrance policy being used by colleges including SDSU is a form of social credit system that should be changed to allowing all fans wanting to attend games, can attend games with no protocols. The vaccinated policies keep changing so one will never be fully vaccinated. |
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Post by azson on Jan 21, 2022 11:57:45 GMT -8
I saw this on CNN. Obviously kidding. I don't know what this is from and how fringe it is, but yeah if it is not fringe (or fake?), it is CRAZY!!! Canadian children taught to call police on unvaccinated. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftLgPw3lU4UThis is just one example of what is out there. Can you see why someone would be concerned? And it feeling a "little" Nazi?No, I don't think we will be shooting the unvaccinated in the streets, or gassing them in camps, but I do think, if their power was not contained, there would be, or will be insane persecution against those you are not "fully vaccinated". For example the poll referenced earlier in this thread. Already, people are losing their jobs, being restricted access to areas, etc. Everyone fully vaccinated and not fully vaccinated should be concerned about that. Yes, I can see why someone would be concerned. No, I do not think it's even a "little" Nazi. Using references to Nazism and the holocaust is intellectually lazy and a complete slap in the face to those who suffered those atrocities. Full disclosure: I myself have been guilty of Godwin's law in the past, but I try very hard to no longer resort to it. |
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jan 21, 2022 12:04:10 GMT -8
And I can understand why you would feel that way too!
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 21, 2022 15:48:29 GMT -8
Just what this site needs, yet another Nazi false equivalence fallacy. Wie sagt man "ban hammer" auf Deutsch? Assuming some or many would like the same type of mandate here, when would the mandates stop? When have you ever seen a Government power relinquished once acquired? How long will it be until the Government would be blaming those with only 3 shots? You don't think a Federal "Instafine" won't have immediate proponents for other Government causes (See Carbon/Electric Mandates, for example)? How many Government powers are not eventually abused (See how fast the Patriot Act turned from a weapon against international terrorism into a politically motivated domestic spy ring - read about Carter Page if you don't believe me)? And a "Mandate" for a vaccine that only has a limited duration of effectiveness and does not provide immunity from the disease seems to be a power in search of an excuse to be used. The feeling that NAZI-esque abuses were "then" but this is "now", I get, but hey..it was Austria and I couldn't resist. |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 8:23:23 GMT -8
Father Dying of Covid Regrets Not Getting Vaccine in Heartbreaking Texts"A father in Los Angeles texted family members to express his regret over not getting vaccinated. Christian Cabrera, 40, tested positive for the coronavirus around Christmas. Not long afterward, he was in an emergency room with pneumonia in both lungs. “I can’t breathe again,” he texted his brother, according to KTLA. “I really regret not getting my vaccine. If I can do it all over again I would do it in a heartbeat to save my life. I’m fighting for my life here and I wish I [had] gotten vaccinated.” "“He keeps saying, ‘ Please take care of my son,’” Jino told KTLA last Thursday. “He knows he might not make it. He might die in there.” On 22 January, Mr Cabrera died." news.yahoo.com/father-dying-covid-regrets-not-230143683.htmlThat guy believed all the uninformed ignorant nonsense he read on right-wing sites/message boards and it cost him his life...and severely changed that of his son... DON'T BE THAT GUY!!!...GET VACCINATED AND BOOSTED.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jan 26, 2022 9:20:04 GMT -8
abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/israel-study-4th-vaccine-shows-limited-results-omicron-82312196But hey, lets keep pushing the mandate regardless of its effectiveness. I wonder if Colin Powell assumed that the vaccines made him immune? But then again, how else can one Government employee easily fire soldiers, first responders, nurses, EMTs, truckers, people who work from home, etc. that might not share the same politics as the enforcers do? And consider that many of these soldiers, first responders, nurses, EMTs, etc., put their lives on the line for us and have done so during the time when there was no Covid-19 vaccine. Perhaps some of those have acquired natural immunity (you know, the way the 1918 pandemic was finally stopped)? While at the same time, think of another Government Employee letting in Covid sick illegal immigrants, unvaccinated illegal immigrants, and illegal immigrants that refuse to take the vaccine and then sends them around the country willy nilly, sets them up with aid, etc. Why do they do that while another Government employee would get to fire other people's a$$es for doing the same? www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/18-percent-migrant-families-leaving-border-patrol-custody-tested-positive-n1276244nypost.com/2021/07/15/30-percent-of-migrants-in-border-facilities-refused-covid-shot-report/www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-plan-for-forced-vaccinations-doesnt-include-illegal-immigrantsIdiocracy indeed!
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Jan 26, 2022 9:35:28 GMT -8
A Growing Gap"They’re rising because vaccination often does not prevent infection from the Omicron variant. It reduces the chances substantially — as you can see above — but vaccinated people still face a meaningful chance of infection. What vaccination does is radically reduce the chance of severe Covid illness. Look how different these charts on hospitalizations looks from the previous charts on cases:" " Vaccination remains highly effective at preventing severe Covid illnesses. And Omicron is milder than earlier versions of the virus. The combination means that most Americans — including children and vaccinated adults — face little personal risk from Omicron." "For the unvaccinated, the situation is very different. Omicron is still severe enough that it will lead to debilitating illness and death for many unvaccinated people. In much of the U.S., a large number of adults — including older adults — remain unvaccinated:" www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/briefing/omicron-deaths-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated.html
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