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Post by sdsuball on Oct 1, 2021 10:14:03 GMT -8
At the same time, there are miles in between the two. Of course you would say that. I prefer to condemn both. Look, let's say that we are considering two arsonists. Would you think more highly of arsonist number two if he had only set 10 fires, whereas number one had set 20? Trump and Biden are both examples of a representative government at its worst. I have on several occasions posted my criticisms of Donald Trump. Biden is busy displaying why he is not an improvement. In the current situation, the really scary thing is that it's obvious that those who supported Biden well understood the man's manifest weaknesses. His one and only strength was that he was not Donald Trump. Did you see today's Senate hearing? If not, you ought to find a video and watch it carefully. It was instructive listening to three senior generals (2 serving, the third now Sec. of Def) in effect calling the POTUS a liar. Ryan, you are not stupid. You know that if Biden is this incompetent and dishonest for three more years, even the negative influence of Donald Trump (which the Democrats pray will continue) will put the GOP in control of the White House and Congress. AzWm Yeah, let's compare the president that tried to overthrow the government after he lost the election, tried to use Ukraine to influence the 2020 election, and colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election.... to a president who has done none of those things. In one corner we have a president who attempted to subvert democracy several times (succeeded in 2016 actually, failed in 2020) - in the other corner we have a normal president. In Trump we have the greatest threat to democracy in America since.... what, the Civil War? Further back? Yeah super similar. Right. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 1, 2021 11:20:41 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . Ah, yes, the old "he isn't president anymore" excuse right on time. With regards to this specific situation, the wheels were set in motion far before Biden took office. That's just a fact. I don't care if millions of people agree with you, that doesn't strengthen your argument at all. I don't live in a world where I'm naive to political realities. I just expect you to hold every president to the same standard. Asking too much?Ryan, Ryan, Ryan. Your reasoning is slipping. Okay, let's take a look. First of all, I am getting more than a little tired of your worn out attempt to paint me as a Trump acolyte. There are plenty of those who eagerly and willingly take claim to that title. I am not one of them. Second, Joe Biden IS the current President, and his actions absolutely must be evaluated on their own terms. That is reasonable. Third, Biden (and other Dems) have said, essentially, that Trump had tied their hands with the Doha agreement (see details below). There are a couple of problems with that, however. Point one, coming into office, Biden made it clear that he was going to negate every single one of Trump's actions that he could. What would have prevented him from doing that with Doha? Point two, and this is crucial, as was made VERY clear by the Generals before Congress, the Doha agreement set several requirements that had to be met by the Taliban or the agreement was null and void. Please reference General Milley's testimony on this point. He explained that the Taliban had defaulted on EVERY point of the agreement except not firing on our troops. Since the Taliban had refused to meet the other requirements they agreed to, we were under no obligation to adhere to the agreement. Let's say that you sign a contract with a company in which they agree to deliver to you certain goods every month for a monthly payment of $100.00. You start paying, but the company never delivers those goods. Do you keep paying $100.00 every month anyway? I think not. Again, Pres Biden was acting within the framework of his duties when he decided to withdraw in the manner in which that decision was carried out. That is not at issue. But he is not entitled to lie to the American people about the whether several of his top advisors recommended that he decide on another policy. To repeat, either the generals lied, Biden lied, or Biden is so mentally compromised that he really does not remember what the generals advised him to do. I cannot see a third option. Blaming Trump is a pretty embarrassing attempt to hold our two most recent Presidents to different standards. To wit, Trump lied and is a blot on our history, but Biden can . . . well, maybe he lied or is mentally incompetent . . . Hey, can we get back to Trump. Please! 
The Doha Agreement, also known as the Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, is a peace agreement that was signed by the United States and the Taliban on February 29, 2020, to bring the Afghanistan War to an end. The four-page agreement was signed at the Sheraton Grand Doha in Doha, Qatar, and published on the US State Department's website.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 12:14:46 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . Ah, yes, the old "he isn't president anymore" excuse right on time. With regards to this specific situation, the wheels were set in motion far before Biden took office. That's just a fact. I don't care if millions of people agree with you, that doesn't strengthen your argument at all. I don't live in a world where I'm naive to political realities. I just expect you to hold every president to the same standard. Asking too much?Ryan, Ryan, Ryan. Your reasoning is slipping. Okay, let's take a look. First of all, I am getting more than a little tired of your worn out attempt to paint me as a Trump acolyte. There are plenty of those who eagerly and willingly take claim to that title. I am not one of them. Second, Joe Biden IS the current President, and his actions absolutely must be evaluated on their own terms. That is reasonable. Third, Biden (and other Dems) have said, essentially, that Trump had tied their hands with the Doha agreement (see details below). There are a couple of problems with that, however. Point one, coming into office, Biden made it clear that he was going to negate every single one of Trump's actions that he could. What would have prevented him from doing that with Doha? Point two, and this is crucial, as was made VERY clear by the Generals before Congress, the Doha agreement set several requirements that had to be met by the Taliban or the agreement was null and void. Please reference General Milley's testimony on this point. He explained that the Taliban had defaulted on EVERY point of the agreement except not firing on our troops. Since the Taliban had refused to meet the other requirements they agreed to, we were under no obligation to adhere to the agreement. Let's say that you sign a contract with a company in which they agree to deliver to you certain goods every month for a monthly payment of $100.00. You start paying, but the company never delivers those goods. Do you keep paying $100.00 every month anyway? I think not. Again, Pres Biden was acting within the framework of his duties when he decided to withdraw in the manner in which that decision was carried out. That is not at issue. But he is not entitled to lie to the American people about the whether several of his top advisors recommended that he decide on another policy. To repeat, either the generals lied, Biden lied, or Biden is so mentally compromised that he really does not remember what the generals advised him to do. I cannot see a third option. Blaming Trump is a pretty embarrassing attempt to hold our two most recent Presidents to different standards. To wit, Trump lied and is a blot on our history, but Biden can . . . well, maybe he lied or is mentally incompetent . . . Hey, can we get back to Trump. Please!
The Doha Agreement, also known as the Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan, is a peace agreement that was signed by the United States and the Taliban on February 29, 2020, to bring the Afghanistan War to an end. The four-page agreement was signed at the Sheraton Grand Doha in Doha, Qatar, and published on the US State Department's website.
AzWmIf you don't want to considered a Trump acolyte, stop defending him and triviliazing the disaster that was his term. Stop minimizing the damage by trying to lump Biden into the same category. They are nothing alike. Nothing. You bring this on yourself, time and time again, with your disingenuous comparisons and tangential nonsense. For clarity, the withdrawal was not handled properly. To be even more clear, it wasn't handled well by any stretch of the imagination with this administration. But there was no choice in duty here. Keeping troops in country meant continued war and loss of life. The irony of your statement about holding both administrations accountable is hilarious when all you seemingly want to do is deflect. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 1, 2021 14:22:28 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . .
If you don't want to considered a Trump acolyte, stop defending him and triviliazing the disaster that was his term. Stop minimizing the damage by trying to lump Biden into the same category. They are nothing alike. Nothing. You bring this on yourself, time and time again, with your disingenuous comparisons and tangential nonsense. For clarity, the withdrawal was not handled properly. To be even more clear, it wasn't handled well by any stretch of the imagination with this administration. But there was no choice in duty here. Keeping troops in country meant continued war and loss of life. The irony of your statement about holding both administrations accountable is hilarious when all you seemingly want to do is deflect.Well, anybody (well, almost anybody  ) who has read what I have posted will understand that I am not a Trump supporter. Far from it. I especially condemn his post-election actions. They are inexcusable and have done serious damage to our system of government. You and I are probably on the same page in that respect. In your latest post, you defend Biden's decision on the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. I disagree with you on that point to a degree. But you are really propping up a straw man in this case. Most Americans did not and do not want more troops in that benighted country. Fine. I would say also that a majority of the American people also feel that the withdrawal could and should have been handled differently. People can have different opinions on such issues. But I believe that the American people do not want the POTUS to lie when he could have used a perfectly defensible answer to the question posed by George Stephanopoulos. He could have said, "Yes, George, some did propose a different policy. I respect those who advise me, but in the final analysis, as President I must make decisions based on my best judgement. I did just that in this case."My goodness, Ryan, Joe Biden would have won over many Americans who have doubts about him in other areas if he had said that. I will tell you that my respect for him personally would have risen. I think we all remember that Bill Clinton, instead of telling the truth about Monica Lewinsky (in which case the country would have, I believe, forgiven him) flat out lied. Whatever you, I, or anyone else thinks of Donald Trump, the current POTUS should not be given a pass when he chooses to lie. (If he has trouble remembering crucial advice given him by senior advisers, that is another matter. I that case, sympathy and not anger are in order.) So tell me, Ryan, are the generals lying, is the President lying, or does the President suffer from declining mental faculties? AzWm |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2021 15:26:15 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . .
If you don't want to considered a Trump acolyte, stop defending him and triviliazing the disaster that was his term. Stop minimizing the damage by trying to lump Biden into the same category. They are nothing alike. Nothing. You bring this on yourself, time and time again, with your disingenuous comparisons and tangential nonsense. For clarity, the withdrawal was not handled properly. To be even more clear, it wasn't handled well by any stretch of the imagination with this administration. But there was no choice in duty here. Keeping troops in country meant continued war and loss of life. The irony of your statement about holding both administrations accountable is hilarious when all you seemingly want to do is deflect.Well, anybody (well, almost anybody ) who has read what I have posted will understand that I am not a Trump supporter. Far from it. I especially condemn his post-election actions. They are inexcusable and have done serious damage to our system of government. You and I are probably on the same page in that respect. In your latest post, you defend Biden's decision on the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. I disagree with you on that point to a degree. But you are really propping up a straw man in this case. Most Americans did not and do not want more troops in that benighted country. Fine. I would say also that a majority of the American people also feel that the withdrawal could and should have been handled differently. People can have different opinions on such issues. But I believe that the American people do not want the POTUS to lie when he could have used a perfectly defensible answer to the question posed by George Stephanopoulos. He could have said, "Yes, George, some did propose a different policy. I respect those who advise me, but in the final analysis, as President I must make decisions based on my best judgement. I did just that in this case."My goodness, Ryan, Joe Biden would have won over many Americans who have doubts about him in other areas if he had said that. I will tell you that my respect for him personally would have risen. I think we all remember that Bill Clinton, instead of telling the truth about Monica Lewinsky (in which case the country would have, I believe, forgiven him) flat out lied. Whatever you, I, or anyone else thinks of Donald Trump, the current POTUS should not be given a pass when he chooses to lie. (If he has trouble remembering crucial advice given him by senior advisers, that is another matter. I that case, sympathy and not anger are in order.) So tell me, Ryan, are the generals lying, is the President lying, or does the President suffer from declining mental faculties? AzWm There's no standing up for Trump in any form or fashion with Ryan, because one ounce of simply trying to balance out an exaggerated post, or down right untruth on Trump's behalf, even if you're correct, you'll be labeled a Trump supporter. It's radical. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 15:35:32 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . .
If you don't want to considered a Trump acolyte, stop defending him and triviliazing the disaster that was his term. Stop minimizing the damage by trying to lump Biden into the same category. They are nothing alike. Nothing. You bring this on yourself, time and time again, with your disingenuous comparisons and tangential nonsense. For clarity, the withdrawal was not handled properly. To be even more clear, it wasn't handled well by any stretch of the imagination with this administration. But there was no choice in duty here. Keeping troops in country meant continued war and loss of life. The irony of your statement about holding both administrations accountable is hilarious when all you seemingly want to do is deflect.Well, anybody (well, almost anybody ) who has read what I have posted will understand that I am not a Trump supporter. Far from it. I especially condemn his post-election actions. They are inexcusable and have done serious damage to our system of government. You and I are probably on the same page in that respect. In your latest post, you defend Biden's decision on the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. I disagree with you on that point to a degree. But you are really propping up a straw man in this case. Most Americans did not and do not want more troops in that benighted country. Fine. I would say also that a majority of the American people also feel that the withdrawal could and should have been handled differently. People can have different opinions on such issues. But I believe that the American people do not want the POTUS to lie when he could have used a perfectly defensible answer to the question posed by George Stephanopoulos. He could have said, "Yes, George, some did propose a different policy. I respect those who advise me, but in the final analysis, as President I must make decisions based on my best judgement. I did just that in this case."My goodness, Ryan, Joe Biden would have won over many Americans who have doubts about him in other areas if he had said that. I will tell you that my respect for him personally would have risen. I think we all remember that Bill Clinton, instead of telling the truth about Monica Lewinsky (in which case the country would have, I believe, forgiven him) flat out lied. Whatever you, I, or anyone else thinks of Donald Trump, the current POTUS should not be given a pass when he chooses to lie. (If he has trouble remembering crucial advice given him by senior advisers, that is another matter. I that case, sympathy and not anger are in order.) So tell me, Ryan, are the generals lying, is the President lying, or does the President suffer from declining mental faculties? AzWm Of all the things to focus on...not the erosion of democracy, not the GOP holding the country hostage with the government shutdown, not anything actually critical to governmental process....but a statement in an interview on ABC? Do I believe the generals are lying? No. Do I believe the President is lying? No. What I believe is he probably got a range of opinions from a range of people and the opinion was split, as the president himself said. It's funny, if you just search "Biden withdrawal" - All you get is results from Hannity, Newsmax, Rasmussen, Laura Ingraham and OAN. Agenda much? Sorry, I just tend to focus on things that actually matter. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 15:41:32 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . .
If you don't want to considered a Trump acolyte, stop defending him and triviliazing the disaster that was his term. Stop minimizing the damage by trying to lump Biden into the same category. They are nothing alike. Nothing. You bring this on yourself, time and time again, with your disingenuous comparisons and tangential nonsense. For clarity, the withdrawal was not handled properly. To be even more clear, it wasn't handled well by any stretch of the imagination with this administration. But there was no choice in duty here. Keeping troops in country meant continued war and loss of life. The irony of your statement about holding both administrations accountable is hilarious when all you seemingly want to do is deflect.Well, anybody (well, almost anybody ) who has read what I have posted will understand that I am not a Trump supporter. Far from it. I especially condemn his post-election actions. They are inexcusable and have done serious damage to our system of government. You and I are probably on the same page in that respect. In your latest post, you defend Biden's decision on the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. I disagree with you on that point to a degree. But you are really propping up a straw man in this case. Most Americans did not and do not want more troops in that benighted country. Fine. I would say also that a majority of the American people also feel that the withdrawal could and should have been handled differently. People can have different opinions on such issues. But I believe that the American people do not want the POTUS to lie when he could have used a perfectly defensible answer to the question posed by George Stephanopoulos. He could have said, "Yes, George, some did propose a different policy. I respect those who advise me, but in the final analysis, as President I must make decisions based on my best judgement. I did just that in this case."My goodness, Ryan, Joe Biden would have won over many Americans who have doubts about him in other areas if he had said that. I will tell you that my respect for him personally would have risen. I think we all remember that Bill Clinton, instead of telling the truth about Monica Lewinsky (in which case the country would have, I believe, forgiven him) flat out lied. Whatever you, I, or anyone else thinks of Donald Trump, the current POTUS should not be given a pass when he chooses to lie. (If he has trouble remembering crucial advice given him by senior advisers, that is another matter. I that case, sympathy and not anger are in order.) So tell me, Ryan, are the generals lying, is the President lying, or does the President suffer from declining mental faculties? AzWm There's no standing up for Trump in any form or fashion with Ryan, because one ounce of simply trying to balance out an exaggerated post, or down right untruth on Trump's behalf, even if you're correct, you'll be labeled a Trump supporter. It's radical. You almost had it here. Almost. Like....half the size of the Grand Canyon almost. "Standing up for Trump?" Why would anyone do that? Especially in this particular situation, given the unequivocal fact he released Abdul Ghani Baradar in 2018? Or Mike Pompeo capitulation in 2020 with the surrender agreement? (Oops.) There is no exaggerated post here, except on William's part, per usual. Trying to equate this situation to something completely unrelated and trying to use it to heap criticism on Joe Biden's administration without giving any credence to the fact that the ball was rolling in 2020, when Biden wasn't president. So, he's not correct. Again, in bold letters here - There is ZERO factual comparison to this administration in its current form and the previous one. None. We had a literal coup attempt in January, in case we forgot. William is fairly transparent when it comes to hollow arguments, so I just call it as it appears. Again, it's extremely low on the list of things that actually matters. And most importantly, if you didn't care about the integrity of the office the last four years, I certainly don't want to hear about it now because the other party is in control. Here's General Milley, who has now served under two different presidents, one on each side of the spectrum. This is what is important. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 15:55:35 GMT -8
I want to say what I think is truly important in this situation - An incomplete withdrawal was pointless, because leaving troops in country would have required infrastructure in place which would have 100% led to an escalation that would have seen a reignited offensive and a continuation of war efforts. Because of the surrender agreement, even if it wasn't honored by the Taliban government, your choices were to leave the country completely or risk an escalation of force to where war was inevitable....again.
My dad served in Vietnam, so I know something about this specific topic. He served four years, shipping out at 19 to a country that didn't want anything to do with United States intervention in a conflict they couldn't win. It's much the same here. Some empires aren't meant to be conquered and there are no easy choices.
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2021 16:43:19 GMT -8
There's no standing up for Trump in any form or fashion with Ryan, because one ounce of simply trying to balance out an exaggerated post, or down right untruth on Trump's behalf, even if you're correct, you'll be labeled a Trump supporter. It's radical. You almost had it here. Almost. Like....half the size of the Grand Canyon almost. "Standing up for Trump?" Why would anyone do that? Especially in this particular situation, given the unequivocal fact he released Abdul Ghani Baradar in 2018? Or Mike Pompeo capitulation in 2020 with the surrender agreement? (Oops.) There is no exaggerated post here, except on William's part, per usual. Trying to equate this situation to something completely unrelated and trying to use it to heap criticism on Joe Biden's administration without giving any credence to the fact that the ball was rolling in 2020, when Biden wasn't president. So, he's not correct. Again, in bold letters here - There is ZERO factual comparison to this administration in its current form and the previous one. None. We had a literal coup attempt in January, in case we forgot. William is fairly transparent when it comes to hollow arguments, so I just call it as it appears. Again, it's extremely low on the list of things that actually matters. And most importantly, if you didn't care about the integrity of the office the last four years, I certainly don't want to hear about it now because the other party is in control. Here's General Milley, who has now served under two different presidents, one on each side of the spectrum. This is what is important. Standing up for, correcting, semantics. It doesn't mean that a person is a fan of the individual if they do this. Also, I'm not just talking about the post you're talking about, but others as well. I get it though, when you despise someone so much in any field like Trump, or Hosmer, etc, you don't like any defending in any way at all. I happen to not roll like that. If something's embellished, or not truthful at all, even if I don't like the subject or person, I'll speak up and call someone on it and I'll also give credit where it's due even if I don't like the subject or person at all, as well. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 18:37:00 GMT -8
You almost had it here. Almost. Like....half the size of the Grand Canyon almost. "Standing up for Trump?" Why would anyone do that? Especially in this particular situation, given the unequivocal fact he released Abdul Ghani Baradar in 2018? Or Mike Pompeo capitulation in 2020 with the surrender agreement? (Oops.) There is no exaggerated post here, except on William's part, per usual. Trying to equate this situation to something completely unrelated and trying to use it to heap criticism on Joe Biden's administration without giving any credence to the fact that the ball was rolling in 2020, when Biden wasn't president. So, he's not correct. Again, in bold letters here - There is ZERO factual comparison to this administration in its current form and the previous one. None. We had a literal coup attempt in January, in case we forgot. William is fairly transparent when it comes to hollow arguments, so I just call it as it appears. Again, it's extremely low on the list of things that actually matters. And most importantly, if you didn't care about the integrity of the office the last four years, I certainly don't want to hear about it now because the other party is in control. Here's General Milley, who has now served under two different presidents, one on each side of the spectrum. This is what is important. Standing up for, correcting, semantics. It doesn't mean that a person is a fan of the individual if they do this. Also, I'm not just talking about the post you're talking about, but others as well. I get it though, when you despise someone so much in any field like Trump, or Hosmer, etc, you don't like any defending in any way at all. I happen to not roll like that. If something's embellished, or not truthful at all, even if I don't like the subject or person, I'll speak up and call someone on it and I'll also give credit where it's due even if I don't like the subject or person at all, as well. Good for you. I'm not Pollyanna, though. I feel like I've said this before...But some things aren't worth defending, period. You can be critical and be correct in your assessment. You're under no obligation to offer praise for something you don't believe in. I'm not the one doing the embellishing here. We have far bigger things to worry about than whether Joe Biden lied about the semantics of the withdrawal, especially if we are going to completely ignore the background facts. Speak up all you want. It doesn't change my perspective here. |
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Post by johneaztec on Oct 1, 2021 18:47:48 GMT -8
Standing up for, correcting, semantics. It doesn't mean that a person is a fan of the individual if they do this. Also, I'm not just talking about the post you're talking about, but others as well. I get it though, when you despise someone so much in any field like Trump, or Hosmer, etc, you don't like any defending in any way at all. I happen to not roll like that. If something's embellished, or not truthful at all, even if I don't like the subject or person, I'll speak up and call someone on it and I'll also give credit where it's due even if I don't like the subject or person at all, as well. Good for you. I'm not Pollyanna, though. I feel like I've said this before...But some things aren't worth defending, period. You can be critical and be correct in your assessment. You're under no obligation to offer praise for something you don't believe in. I'm not the one doing the embellishing here. We have far bigger things to worry about than whether Joe Biden lied about the semantics of the withdrawal, especially if we are going to completely ignore the background facts. Speak up all you want. It doesn't change my perspective here. It has nothing to do with being "Pollyanna" since it has nothing to do with being optimism. For me, it's only about being fair. You can handle situations like this however you like, and I can as well. |
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 1, 2021 18:52:57 GMT -8
Good for you. I'm not Pollyanna, though. I feel like I've said this before...But some things aren't worth defending, period. You can be critical and be correct in your assessment. You're under no obligation to offer praise for something you don't believe in. I'm not the one doing the embellishing here. We have far bigger things to worry about than whether Joe Biden lied about the semantics of the withdrawal, especially if we are going to completely ignore the background facts. Speak up all you want. It doesn't change my perspective here. It has nothing to do with being "Pollyanna" since it has nothing to do with being optimism. For me, it's only about being fair. You can handle situations like this however you like, and I can as well. I would say defending Donald Trump requires a modicum of optimism, considering his track record of abuses. You could at least offer something on the topic if you think I'm not being "fair" - Which again reverts back to some silly notion that valid criticism requires some level of irrational impartiality. Is William being fair when he decides to try and equate Trump and Biden on the same level playing field? What are the actual similarities here between the two administrations? Why are we concerned about Biden lying when we suffered thousands and thousands of lies over the last four years and nobody blinked? That's fairness, right? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 2, 2021 13:52:34 GMT -8
All depends on what concerns you. Joe is a proven plagiarist, pleads for political sympathy while defaming an innocent man for the death of his wife and child, sells his office for his and his family's gain, creates a human tragedy at the Southern border with Drug Cartels and human trafficking rapists having a never ending heyday and now we find he is the very same tax cheat everyone bet Trump was (and wasn't by the way). He is on knee pads to China as they run away with trade deficit money and leaves a Pandemic in their wake. He is creating exorbitant inflation with mindless spending yhat hurts the poor and middle class most. He infamously botched the Afghanistan withdrawal singlehandedly (so say his advisors) and clearly seems mentally slow (even before he was elected). And credit to the MSM, Tech Giants and all varieties of liberal and neo-Marxist Progressive activists for being able to shove Obama's Caligula's horse down our throats.
"Let's go Brandon!"
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Post by sdsuball on Oct 3, 2021 21:54:44 GMT -8
Ryan sez . . . .
If you don't want to considered a Trump acolyte, stop defending him and triviliazing the disaster that was his term. Stop minimizing the damage by trying to lump Biden into the same category. They are nothing alike. Nothing. You bring this on yourself, time and time again, with your disingenuous comparisons and tangential nonsense. For clarity, the withdrawal was not handled properly. To be even more clear, it wasn't handled well by any stretch of the imagination with this administration. But there was no choice in duty here. Keeping troops in country meant continued war and loss of life. The irony of your statement about holding both administrations accountable is hilarious when all you seemingly want to do is deflect.Well, anybody (well, almost anybody ) who has read what I have posted will understand that I am not a Trump supporter. Far from it. I especially condemn his post-election actions. They are inexcusable and have done serious damage to our system of government. You and I are probably on the same page in that respect. In your latest post, you defend Biden's decision on the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. I disagree with you on that point to a degree. But you are really propping up a straw man in this case. Most Americans did not and do not want more troops in that benighted country. Fine. I would say also that a majority of the American people also feel that the withdrawal could and should have been handled differently. People can have different opinions on such issues. But I believe that the American people do not want the POTUS to lie when he could have used a perfectly defensible answer to the question posed by George Stephanopoulos. He could have said, "Yes, George, some did propose a different policy. I respect those who advise me, but in the final analysis, as President I must make decisions based on my best judgement. I did just that in this case."My goodness, Ryan, Joe Biden would have won over many Americans who have doubts about him in other areas if he had said that. I will tell you that my respect for him personally would have risen. I think we all remember that Bill Clinton, instead of telling the truth about Monica Lewinsky (in which case the country would have, I believe, forgiven him) flat out lied. Whatever you, I, or anyone else thinks of Donald Trump, the current POTUS should not be given a pass when he chooses to lie. (If he has trouble remembering crucial advice given him by senior advisers, that is another matter. I that case, sympathy and not anger are in order.) So tell me, Ryan, are the generals lying, is the President lying, or does the President suffer from declining mental faculties? AzWm There's no standing up for Trump in any form or fashion with Ryan, because one ounce of simply trying to balance out an exaggerated post, or down right untruth on Trump's behalf, even if you're correct, you'll be labeled a Trump supporter. It's radical. It really is irrelevant what good things he did during his administration. He tried to subvert democracy and overturn an election. It blatantly overshadows everything else. ...Nobody gives a flying f x x x about anything else at this point John. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 7, 2021 17:50:15 GMT -8
All depends on what concerns you. Joe is a proven plagiarist, pleads for political sympathy while defaming an innocent man for the death of his wife and child, sells his office for his and his family's gain, creates a human tragedy at the Southern border with Drug Cartels and human trafficking rapists having a never ending heyday and now we find he is the very same tax cheat everyone bet Trump was (and wasn't by the way). He is on knee pads to China as they run away with trade deficit money and leaves a Pandemic in their wake. He is creating exorbitant inflation with mindless spending yhat hurts the poor and middle class most. He infamously botched the Afghanistan withdrawal singlehandedly (so say his advisors) and clearly seems mentally slow (even before he was elected). And credit to the MSM, Tech Giants and all varieties of liberal and neo-Marxist Progressive activists for being able to shove Obama's Caligula's horse down our throats. "Let's go Brandon!" "shove Obama's Caligula's horse down our throats" .. Do you actually write this $#!+ yourself?? hilarious. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 8, 2021 5:44:49 GMT -8
All depends on what concerns you. Joe is a proven plagiarist, pleads for political sympathy while defaming an innocent man for the death of his wife and child, sells his office for his and his family's gain, creates a human tragedy at the Southern border with Drug Cartels and human trafficking rapists having a never ending heyday and now we find he is the very same tax cheat everyone bet Trump was (and wasn't by the way). He is on knee pads to China as they run away with trade deficit money and leaves a Pandemic in their wake. He is creating exorbitant inflation with mindless spending yhat hurts the poor and middle class most. He infamously botched the Afghanistan withdrawal singlehandedly (so say his advisors) and clearly seems mentally slow (even before he was elected). And credit to the MSM, Tech Giants and all varieties of liberal and neo-Marxist Progressive activists for being able to shove Obama's Caligula's horse down our throats. "Let's go Brandon!" "shove Obama's Caligula's horse down our throats" .. Do you actually write this $#!+ yourself?? hilarious. Did you see where Kerry said crazy Uncle Joe wasn't even aware that the sale of the nuke sub to Australia was going to upset France? Does he actually read his daily sitreps? Or do they just take the apple sauce cup away from him long enough for him to sign their orders they make up? The fiasco on the border is more than just incompetence. It has an architect and it probably isn't crazy Uncle Joe. Who is running this banana republic? Caligula's Horse indeed. |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 8, 2021 6:22:30 GMT -8
"shove Obama's Caligula's horse down our throats" .. Do you actually write this $#!+ yourself?? hilarious. Did you see where Kerry said crazy Uncle Joe wasn't even aware that the sale of the nuke sub to Australia was going to upset France? Does he actually read his daily sitreps? Or do they just take the apple sauce cup away from him long enough for him to sign their orders they make up? The fiasco on the border is more than just incompetence. It has an architect and it probably isn't crazy Uncle Joe. Who is running this banana republic? Caligula's Horse indeed. I know it is stressful having an orange albatross around your neck! |
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 8, 2021 7:09:58 GMT -8
Did you see where Kerry said crazy Uncle Joe wasn't even aware that the sale of the nuke sub to Australia was going to upset France? Does he actually read his daily sitreps? Or do they just take the apple sauce cup away from him long enough for him to sign their orders they make up? The fiasco on the border is more than just incompetence. It has an architect and it probably isn't crazy Uncle Joe. Who is running this banana republic? Caligula's Horse indeed. I know it is stressful having an orange albatross around your neck! No, my stress is caused by $4.85/gal gas and the ever increasing premiums for Obama care. And did you see where the DoJ is sending in the American STAZI where they have no jurisdiction and are there only because of the type of voter involved? Banana Republic is being kind. "Be on the lookout for the notorious terrorist known as Ashley. Female, Aged 42. Last seen uttering unapproved speech at the Loudoun County Public School Board Meeting. 5' 4" Sandy blond hair. 130 pounds, last seen wearing a North Face sweatshirt and yoga pants. Considered unarmed but a dangerous voter". I love True Believers! |
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Post by uwphoto on Oct 8, 2021 13:25:30 GMT -8
I know it is stressful having an orange albatross around your neck! No, my stress is caused by $4.85/gal gas and the ever increasing premiums for Obama care. And did you see where the DoJ is sending in the American STAZI where they have no jurisdiction and are there only because of the type of voter involved? Banana Republic is being kind. "Be on the lookout for the notorious terrorist known as Ashley. Female, Aged 42. Last seen uttering unapproved speech at the Loudoun County Public School Board Meeting. 5' 4" Sandy blond hair. 130 pounds, last seen wearing a North Face sweatshirt and yoga pants. Considered unarmed but a dangerous voter". I love True Believers! I hear orange cancer is trying to take over the government again so he can install my pillow guy, Steve Bannon (storm troopers) , Alex Jones ("I'll never let you down" and MTG in his cabinet. BTW, he needs more cash..so you better up your donation. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Oct 8, 2021 17:08:41 GMT -8
No, my stress is caused by $4.85/gal gas and the ever increasing premiums for Obama care. And did you see where the DoJ is sending in the American STAZI where they have no jurisdiction and are there only because of the type of voter involved? Banana Republic is being kind. "Be on the lookout for the notorious terrorist known as Ashley. Female, Aged 42. Last seen uttering unapproved speech at the Loudoun County Public School Board Meeting. 5' 4" Sandy blond hair. 130 pounds, last seen wearing a North Face sweatshirt and yoga pants. Considered unarmed but a dangerous voter". I love True Believers! I hear orange cancer is trying to take over the government again so he can install my pillow guy, Steve Bannon (storm troopers) , Alex Jones ("I'll never let you down" and MTG in his cabinet. BTW, he needs more cash..so you better up your donation. CNN claims another one... |
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) who has read what I have posted will understand that I am not a Trump supporter. Far from it. I especially condemn his post-election actions. They are inexcusable and have done serious damage to our system of government. You and I are probably on the same page in that respect.
