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Post by standiego on Jun 10, 2021 16:56:16 GMT -8
agree could push more then the PAC into 8 game Conference schedule .
What does it do for independents ? N. D , BYU ... , would they be more inclined to stay independent or head to a conference
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Post by aztecsrule72001 on Jun 10, 2021 17:11:27 GMT -8
agree could push more then the PAC into 8 game Conference schedule . What does it do for independents ? N. D , BYU ... , would they be more inclined to stay independent or head to a conference Only conference teams can get a 1st round bye and conferences get 6 auto bids. So I'd say for N.D. joining a conference makes more sense since they can likely join one of the P5, for BYU it's more complicated since they don't have a P5 offer waiting.
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Post by namssa on Jun 10, 2021 18:38:08 GMT -8
Last Year was a little strange because the PAC only played 5 games. That killed them in the rankings. Had it been a full year they likely would have been fine.
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Post by namssa on Jun 10, 2021 18:43:09 GMT -8
Here is what it would have looked like for 2019.
First Round byes #1 LSU #2 Ohio State #3 Clemson #4 Oklahoma
#5 Georgia vs. #17 Memphis #6 Oregon vs. #11 Utah #7 Baylor vs. #10 Penn State #8 Wisconsin vs. #9 Florida
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Post by jp92grad on Jun 10, 2021 22:09:32 GMT -8
With the new playoff system they should add-in a regulation like they have in soccer, Each P5 division would have a G5 division underneath it, bottom 2 P5 dropped and top 2 G5 promoted or better yet, Bottom 2 P5 teams playoff (looser down) then the top 2 from that G5 play off (winner up).
This could make for a very meaningful end of season for at least the teams involved.
Have it played the prior(semi final) week leading up to the Final play-off game. This could take the place of the soon to be useless secondary bowl games that are really going to suffer with extended play-off's (this is my option)
(this could be 10 games over 5 days in VEGAS baby, talk about wild week of football!, or even have them play each other adding 5 More games)
before you trash me, remember it's off-season and you make your own fun, beats going to summer school!
Go Aztecs! and damn it's fun watching the stadium get built only wish they had a couple more cameras.
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 11, 2021 10:28:22 GMT -8
Here is what it would have looked like for 2019. First Round byes #1 LSU #2 Ohio State #3 Clemson #4 Oklahoma #5 Georgia vs. #17 Memphis #6 Oregon vs. #11 Utah #7 Baylor vs. #10 Penn State #8 Wisconsin vs. #9 Florida Agree 100% on last year being an odd year & not reflective of where the P12 would stand in this. What will be interesting is whether the P12, B1G & B12 will continue with a 9-game conference schedule, risking more cannibalization, or change to an 8-game conference schedule? In the 2019 the B1G got away with it with 3 teams (tying SEC who plays 8), while the P12 & B12 both did get 2 teams in despite playing 9 as well. Only the ACC with just 1, who plays 8, trailed. But not sure that'll be the norm? The P12 has a long history of eating its own, which will only hurt them. The other oddity is as is the 1st playoff game could be Oregon v Utah, who just played in the conference championship game (a major blowout) & who could have played a 3rd time earlier in the year if the schedule was rotated a year.
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Post by namssa on Jun 11, 2021 11:15:55 GMT -8
Let's look at the last 5 years (non-Covid years) and average them out.
2019 First Round byes #1 LSU #2 Ohio State #3 Clemson #4 Oklahoma
#5 Georgia vs. #17 Memphis #6 Oregon vs. #11 Utah #7 Baylor vs. #10 Penn State #8 Wisconsin vs. #9 Florida
Bids - SEC 3, BIG10 3, BIG12 2, PAC12 2, ACC 1, G5 1
2018 First Round byes #1 Alabama #2 Clemson #4 Oklahoma #6 Ohio State
#3 Notre Dame vs. #12 Penn State #5 Georgia vs. #11 LSU #7 Michigan vs. #10 Florida #8 UCF vs. #9 Washington
Bids - SEC 4, BIG10 3, BIG12 1, PAC12 1, ACC 1, Ind 1, G5 1
2017 First Round byes #1 Clemson #2 Oklahoma #3 Georgia #5 Ohio State
#4 Alabama vs. #12 UCF #6 Wisconsin vs. #11 Washington #7 Auburn vs. #10 Miami #8 USC vs. #9 Penn State
Bids - SEC 3, BIG10 3, BIG12 1, PAC12 2, ACC 2, G5 1
2016 First Round byes #1 Alabama #2 Clemson #3 Ohio State #4 Washington
#5 Penn State vs. #15 Western Michigan #6 Michigan vs. #11 Florida State #7 Oklahoma vs. #10 Colorado #8 Wisconsin vs. #9 USC
Bids - SEC 1, BIG10 4, BIG12 1, PAC12 3, ACC 2, G5 1
2015 First Round byes #1 Clemson #2 Alabama #3 Michigan State #4 Oklahoma
#5 Iowa vs. #18 Houston #6 Stanford vs. #11 TCU #7 Ohio State vs. #10 North Carolina #8 Notre Dame vs. #9 Florida State
Bids – SEC 1, BIG10 3, BIG12 2, PAC12 1, ACC 3, Ind 1, G5 1
Overall conference breakdown SEC – 12 total bids (avg 2.4/year) - Notes – 2 of the 5 years only got 1 bid. BIG10 - 16 total bids (avg 3.2/year) - Notes – All 5 years had at least 3 bids. BIG12 – 7 total bids (avg 1.4/year) – Notes – Never had more than 2 bids. Only having 10 teams definitely hurts them. PAC12 – 9 total bids (avg. 1.8/year) – Notes – 3rd best of the P5 conferences. ACC – 9 total bids (avg. 1.8/year) – Notes – Only 1 bid the last couple of years. Ind – 2 total bids (avg 0.4/year) – Notes - Notre Dame made it 2 of 5 years. G5 – 5 total bids (avg 1.0/year) - Notes - Had one home game out of the 5 years. Worst seed in 4 of the 5 years.
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Post by standiego on Jun 11, 2021 14:20:10 GMT -8
Interesting that when you look at the G5 bids it was from the AAC conference every year but one
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Post by tonatiuh on Jun 11, 2021 15:20:52 GMT -8
This is how it would have worked last year. Remember only Conference Champions can get first round byes. First Round byes #1 Alabama #2 Ohio State #3 Clemson #6 Oklahoma #4 Notre Dame vs. #12 Coastal Carolina #5 Texas AM vs. #11 Indiana #7 Florida vs. #10 Iowa State #8 Cincinnati vs. #9 Georgia Two G5 teams would have been in and one would even have had a home game. Pac-12 would not have been represented. This could push the P12 back towards an 8 game conference schedule again. At 9 they are cannibalizing each other. The best way to remedy that scenario is to allow all P5 conference champs (despite their record or rank) to be in it. Then you have 7 at large teams which could be included with a couple G5 (high ranked teams/conference champs), and the rest could be the highest ranked teams remaining (either P5,independent,or G5).
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Post by standiego on Jun 12, 2021 9:32:28 GMT -8
For those who were wondering which G5 conference has been doing the best - AAC definitely has a strong case .
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Post by aztecfan1 on Jun 12, 2021 9:39:20 GMT -8
For those who were wondering which G5 conference has been doing the best - AAC definitely has a strong case . Seems that any g5 team is still going to have to be undefeated or at most one loss to crack into the 12 team party. IMHO all 10 D1 conf champs should have been in, but they didn’t ask me.😎
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Post by standiego on Jun 12, 2021 9:54:36 GMT -8
Little surprise that the P5 will dominate the 12 team set up - so if you are a G5 team - will need to be in the top 25 - so do you play 8 game Conference schedule and do you try to schedule P5 teams in OOC that you may have an opportunity to beat - stay away from tough teams or make sure you schedule lower level teams to make sure you can beat to improve your Win Totals ? Of course if you can knock off a quality P5 school ups your chances .
AAC can surely point to its success in football and that they are the closest to being a P5 conference of the G5 conferences
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Post by tonatiuh on Jun 12, 2021 12:01:51 GMT -8
For those who were wondering which G5 conference has been doing the best - AAC definitely has a strong case . That is true due to the fact most of those teams are located in the Eastern time zone, and get their games seen early, and with most ranking services also East Coast oriented it is easy to see why. But, you know when those teams schedule MW teams in regular season or Bowl games they don't look so good and generally lose. We for sure play much tougher schedules than So. Fla., Cen. Fla., Cincy, and Houston usually play
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Post by standiego on Jun 15, 2021 10:51:19 GMT -8
take a look at the highest rated G5 team in the last 5 years - and who would have been in the `12 team playoffs - a team from the AAC
Would also guess that the AAC has more wins in MM then the MW has
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Post by sdcoug on Jun 15, 2021 10:56:23 GMT -8
take a look at the highest rated G5 team in the last 5 years - and who would have been in the `12 team playoffs - a team from the AAC Would also guess that the AAC has more wins in MM then the MW has The only reason that happens is because they didn't knock each other off in conference. Not because they're necessarily the better team. There have been several instances where had a Boise or SDSU not beat each other they would have been the MWC's & G5's representative. It comes down to the top G5 programs, not the top conferences. Whichever conference doesn't eat their own yet does well in non-con will get the bid. Coastal Carolina is a prime example.
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Post by standiego on Jun 16, 2021 12:21:23 GMT -8
By the charts provided in this post the AAC would have been in the Playoffs 2015 2017 2018 2019
are you saying that the only reason is because BSU and SDSU played each other ?- thought we did play each other in 2017 and 2018 but not in 2020 , 2019 , 2016 , 2015 -
with the rotating schedule in the MW -between West and Mountain divisions -we play them 2 times during a 4 year span
also that the AAC only had 1 quality football team each year ?
in addition how many wins does the AAC have in MM in the last 5 years compared to the MW
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