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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 18, 2021 16:55:20 GMT -8
In that regard, I noticed that the Washington post referred to Jan. 6th as a riot.
Whatever one calls it, that incident was totally bad. One more of the very bad things that have been happening in this country lately.
AzWm
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 18, 2021 18:16:36 GMT -8
In that regard, I noticed that the Washington post referred to Jan. 6th as a riot. Whatever one calls it, that incident was totally bad. One more of the very bad things that have been happening in this country lately. AzWm Insurrection is defined as "a violent uprising against an authority or a government." Not really a debate considering that's what January 6th directly involved. The insurrectionists were literally there to try and overturn the election results by force. It was an attack against a body of Congress. I'll go with insurrection as a result of that. |
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 18, 2021 18:30:29 GMT -8
my question..is why does William (who claims to be somewhat neutral) always defend the most abhorrent behavior by the right? How bout Marjorie Taylor Greene and her Anglo Saxon principles group? Why does the right have to continually run away from the "racist" issue...of their own making? William, have you ever looked at the comments section of FOXnews.com? Look at any news story involving black people etc. Yes, a percentage of those are foreign bots stirring up trouble, but many are not. The head scratcher is why FOX leaves those comments up there...nevermind, I know..they are playing to their core audience. Listen to the former prime Minister of Australia's comments on FOX news...the Media feed for "crazy".
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Post by ptsdthor on Apr 20, 2021 14:57:31 GMT -8
Semantics seem to really matter to those with an agenda. www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/04/12/watch-reporters-object-to-minnesota-police-chiefs-use-of-riot-in-press-conference/For some riots, the word "riot" should not be used to describe a riot. Why? The attacks of Police HQs in Minneapolis/Seattle and the Courthouse in Portland, for example, all were "a violent uprising against an authority" yet never called an insurrection by the MSM and in here. Why? So some riots shall not be referred to as riots. Some insurrections should only be referred to as riots and some riots must be referred to as insurrections. Its Orwellian newspeak applied. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 20, 2021 15:34:26 GMT -8
my question..is why does William (who claims to be somewhat neutral) always defend the most abhorrent behavior by the right? How bout Marjorie Taylor Greene and her Anglo Saxon principles group? Why does the right have to continually run away from the "racist" issue...of their own making? William, have you ever looked at the comments section of FOXnews.com? Look at any news story involving black people etc. Yes, a percentage of those are foreign bots stirring up trouble, but many are not. The head scratcher is why FOX leaves those comments up there...nevermind, I know..they are playing to their core audience. Listen to the former prime Minister of Australia's comments on FOX news...the Media feed for "crazy". I have never, ever visited FOXnews.com. I certainly feel no responsibility to comment, whether positively or negatively, on what people post on that site. As for Marjorie Taylor Greene, if you will refrain from demanding that I comment on her statements, I will not demand that you comment on what Maxine Waters says. By the way, is it only people on the Right who make controversial/objectionable statements? Speaking of Anglo-Saxon principles, are we speaking here of pre-1066 Britain? If so, here is a list of values held by those people. Perhaps you could indicate which, if any, of those values should be shunned in 21st Century America. Anglo-Saxons had a complex set a moral guidelines known as the 9 English values. 1 COURAGE & SELFLESSNES
Be more concerned with the needs of others than
yours and have the bravery to face a dangerous task.
2 TRUTH
Be honest to others.
3 HONOR
Have regard for your image and understanding of right and wrong.
4 FIDELTY
Be faithful to your partner and king.
5 DISCIPLINE & DUTY
Obey the rules and behave properly and follow your
moral obligations.
6 HOSPITALITY
Respect and welcome guests into your home.
7 INDUSTIOUSNESS
Work hard, and have a large skill set.
8 SELF-RELIANCE
Be totally dependent in your own abilities.
9 PERSEVERANCE
Do anything no matter the difficulty. www.newton.k12.in.us/hs/english/vanduyn/images/infographics16/colton-cothran-infographics.pdfOn the other hand, if by Anglo-Saxon values one refers to the traditions of the UK which have evolved since the signing of Magna Carta, I think the following list is illustrative: www.bourne.org.uk/british-values-statement/The five British Values are:
Democracy.
The rule of law.
Individual liberty.
Mutual respect.
Tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs.www.bourne.org.uk/british-values-statement/I've read the preceding lists of values and cannot see any with which I would disagree. Well, the mention of a king in the first list is obviously no longer appropriate. I suspect that these values (other than the one about a king) would be supported by the vast majority of Americans. And by Americans, I mean every person regardless of ethnic or nation origin. If anyone reading this disagrees, I would be interested in learning which of the above listed values should to be rejected and which values should replace them. No country can survive if the vast majority of its citizens do not agree on a basic framework of values and traditions. I'm not speaking of the cultural and scientific contributions made by people of various ethnic traditions. All of us are richer for the contributions made by people from around the world. Here I am thinking of art, music, clothing, science, mathematics, sports, cuisine, etc. (Aren't we all glad that we have more than just British cooking?  ) When I speak of a basic framework of values and traditions, I think especially of our justice system. Presumption of innocence, the right to challenge one's accusers, trial by a jury of one's peers, etc. Also the right to own private property, the right to speak one's mind, and the recognition that human rights are not whatever the government is willing to grant its citizens. We as a nation have benefitted greatly from the traditions of many groups from many parts of the world. However, I don't believe it is incorrect that say that our legal and governmental system has its roots in the AngloSaxon/British tradition. Why would anyone be unhappy about that? AzWm |
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Post by azson on Apr 20, 2021 15:34:30 GMT -8
Semantics seem to really matter to those with an agenda. www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/04/12/watch-reporters-object-to-minnesota-police-chiefs-use-of-riot-in-press-conference/For some riots, the word "riot" should not be used to describe a riot. Why? The attacks of Police HQs in Minneapolis/Seattle and the Courthouse in Portland, for example, all were "a violent uprising against an authority" yet never called an insurrection by the MSM and in here. Why? So some riots shall not be referred to as riots. Some insurrections should only be referred to as riots and some riots must be referred to as insurrections. Its Orwellian newspeak applied. Nice red herring, but try and stay on topic. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Apr 20, 2021 16:49:23 GMT -8
Semantics seem to really matter to those with an agenda. www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2021/04/12/watch-reporters-object-to-minnesota-police-chiefs-use-of-riot-in-press-conference/For some riots, the word "riot" should not be used to describe a riot. Why? The attacks of Police HQs in Minneapolis/Seattle and the Courthouse in Portland, for example, all were "a violent uprising against an authority" yet never called an insurrection by the MSM and in here. Why? So some riots shall not be referred to as riots. Some insurrections should only be referred to as riots and some riots must be referred to as insurrections. Its Orwellian newspeak applied. Nice red herring, but try and stay on topic. Too funny! |
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 20, 2021 17:02:47 GMT -8
my question..is why does William (who claims to be somewhat neutral) always defend the most abhorrent behavior by the right? How bout Marjorie Taylor Greene and her Anglo Saxon principles group? Why does the right have to continually run away from the "racist" issue...of their own making? William, have you ever looked at the comments section of FOXnews.com? Look at any news story involving black people etc. Yes, a percentage of those are foreign bots stirring up trouble, but many are not. The head scratcher is why FOX leaves those comments up there...nevermind, I know..they are playing to their core audience. Listen to the former prime Minister of Australia's comments on FOX news...the Media feed for "crazy". I have never, ever visited FOXnews.com. I certainly feel no responsibility to comment, whether positively or negatively, on what people post on that site. As for Marjorie Taylor Greene, if you will refrain from demanding that I comment on her statements, I will not demand that you comment on what Maxine Waters says. By the way, is it only people on the Right who make controversial/objectionable statements? Speaking of Anglo-Saxon principles, are we speaking here of pre-1066 Britain? If so, here is a list of values held by those people. Perhaps you could indicate which, if any, of those values should be shunned in 21st Century America. Anglo-Saxons had a complex set a moral guidelines known as the 9 English values. 1 COURAGE & SELFLESSNES
Be more concerned with the needs of others than
yours and have the bravery to face a dangerous task.
2 TRUTH
Be honest to others.
3 HONOR
Have regard for your image and understanding of right and wrong.
4 FIDELTY
Be faithful to your partner and king.
5 DISCIPLINE & DUTY
Obey the rules and behave properly and follow your
moral obligations.
6 HOSPITALITY
Respect and welcome guests into your home.
7 INDUSTIOUSNESS
Work hard, and have a large skill set.
8 SELF-RELIANCE
Be totally dependent in your own abilities.
9 PERSEVERANCE
Do anything no matter the difficulty. www.newton.k12.in.us/hs/english/vanduyn/images/infographics16/colton-cothran-infographics.pdfOn the other hand, if by Anglo-Saxon values one refers to the traditions of the UK which have evolved since the signing of Magna Carta, I think the following list is illustrative: www.bourne.org.uk/british-values-statement/The five British Values are:
Democracy.
The rule of law.
Individual liberty.
Mutual respect.
Tolerance of those of different faiths and beliefs.www.bourne.org.uk/british-values-statement/I've read the preceding lists of values and cannot see any with which I would disagree. Well, the mention of a king in the first list is obviously no longer appropriate. I suspect that these values (other than the one about a king) would be supported by the vast majority of Americans. And by Americans, I mean every person regardless of ethnic or nation origin. If anyone reading this disagrees, I would be interested in learning which of the above listed values should to be rejected and which values should replace them. No country can survive if the vast majority of its citizens do not agree on a basic framework of values and traditions. I'm not speaking of the cultural and scientific contributions made by people of various ethnic traditions. All of us are richer for the contributions made by people from around the world. Here I am thinking of art, music, clothing, science, mathematics, sports, cuisine, etc. (Aren't we all glad that we have more than just British cooking? ) When I speak of a basic framework of values and traditions, I think especially of our justice system. Presumption of innocence, the right to challenge one's accusers, trial by a jury of one's peers, etc. Also the right to own private property, the right to speak one's mind, and the recognition that human rights are not whatever the government is willing to grant its citizens. We as a nation have benefitted greatly from the traditions of many groups from many parts of the world. However, I don't believe it is incorrect that say that our legal and governmental system has its roots in the AngloSaxon/British tradition. Why would anyone be unhappy about that? AzWm William, I will comment on Maxine Waters. I think she is whack. So I'm going to give you a great deal. The Repubs. give us Greene and Boebert... we give you Maxine. There.... 3 nut cases out of the Government. How's that?? |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 20, 2021 18:35:41 GMT -8
I wish there were not so many "nut cases" in public life today. I also wish there were not so many people, some in positions of influence, who appear to believe that this country is so bad that tearing it down and starting over is called for. In that regard, we might want to remember what happened in America and France in the late 18th Century.
France: The Reign of Terror, followed by a new tyrant, Napoleon Bonaparte.
America: Revolution followed by the founding of a nation devoted to individual rights and a constitutional republic in which power changes hands without armed conflict.
AzWm
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 20, 2021 19:05:47 GMT -8
I wish there were not so many "nut cases" in public life today. I also wish there were not so many people, some in positions of influence, who appear to believe that this country is so bad that tearing it down and starting over is called for. In that regard, we might want to remember what happened in America and France in the late 18th Century. France: The Reign of Terror, followed by a new tyrant, Napoleon Bonaparte. America: Revolution followed by the founding of a nation devoted to individual rights and a constitutional republic in which power changes hands without armed conflict. AzWm William, America is changing. It was always going to change. Having 3 channels and the only minorities on TV are Hop Sing, Cisco Kid and Amos n Andy is never coming back...either is Ozzie n Harriet. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 20, 2021 21:30:29 GMT -8
I wish there were not so many "nut cases" in public life today. I also wish there were not so many people, some in positions of influence, who appear to believe that this country is so bad that tearing it down and starting over is called for. In that regard, we might want to remember what happened in America and France in the late 18th Century. France: The Reign of Terror, followed by a new tyrant, Napoleon Bonaparte. America: Revolution followed by the founding of a nation devoted to individual rights and a constitutional republic in which power changes hands without armed conflict. AzWm William, America is changing. It was always going to change. Having 3 channels and the only minorities on TV are Hop Sing, Cisco Kid and Amos n Andy is never coming back...either is Ozzie n Harriet. It sure is changing. And, in my opinion not always for the better. In the past several years many people, some quite prominent, have basically said this country is rotten to the core and should be junked in favor of .... well, for sure junked, but for what is not so clear. AzWm |
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Post by azson on Apr 21, 2021 7:47:14 GMT -8
William, America is changing. It was always going to change. Having 3 channels and the only minorities on TV are Hop Sing, Cisco Kid and Amos n Andy is never coming back...either is Ozzie n Harriet. It sure is changing. And, in my opinion not always for the better. In the past several years many people, some quite prominent, have basically said this country is rotten to the core and should be junked in favor of .... well, for sure junked, but for what is not so clear. AzWm Modern day lynchers are no longer going free. I'll take that as a step in the right direction for our country. |
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 21, 2021 10:45:40 GMT -8
It sure is changing. And, in my opinion not always for the better. In the past several years many people, some quite prominent, have basically said this country is rotten to the core and should be junked in favor of .... well, for sure junked, but for what is not so clear. AzWm Modern day lynchers are no longer going free. I'll take that as a step in the right direction for our country. We sure about that? Part of the problem is we're fighting a disinformation campaign, from specific actors with specific agendas. Cue Marjorie Taylor Greene. Now, her base being what it is (Radical conspiracy theorists chiefly), this exertion of influence is a major problem because it tries to once again vilify a mostly peaceful movement (The word movement is *key* here) and sews disinformation into an already enflamed situation. This shouldn't surprise anyone, given that the source is a woman who thinks Donald Trump is a deity that was installed to fight a cult of baby-eating pedophiles, but the realization that elected officials are actively inciting and instigating violence based on outright lies means we're pretty much not in the clear from modern day lynchings, figuratively or literally. |
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Post by sdsustoner on May 14, 2021 4:05:44 GMT -8
It sure is changing. And, in my opinion not always for the better. In the past several years many people, some quite prominent, have basically said this country is rotten to the core and should be junked in favor of .... well, for sure junked, but for what is not so clear. AzWm Modern day lynchers are no longer going free. I'll take that as a step in the right direction for our country. Modern day lynchers have qualified immunity |
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Post by sdsustoner on May 14, 2021 4:08:46 GMT -8
Modern day lynchers are no longer going free. I'll take that as a step in the right direction for our country. We sure about that? Part of the problem is we're fighting a disinformation campaign, from specific actors with specific agendas. Cue Marjorie Taylor Greene. Now, her base being what it is (Radical conspiracy theorists chiefly), this exertion of influence is a major problem because it tries to once again vilify a mostly peaceful movement (The word movement is *key* here) and sews disinformation into an already enflamed situation. This shouldn't surprise anyone, given that the source is a woman who thinks Donald Trump is a deity that was installed to fight a cult of baby-eating pedophiles, but the realization that elected officials are actively inciting and instigating violence based on outright lies means we're pretty much not in the clear from modern day lynchings, figuratively or literally. The WWE mid-card feud with AOC is hilarious. Two ineffectual members of Congress with large fanbases. So lets have them feud to engage fans...uh...party voters. Plus, AOC needs this kayfabe babyface turn after her recent dragging by the Left labelled her a sell out. You can't be the party's celebrity sheepdog when people call you a corporate shill & Pelosi's pet. |
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Post by azson on May 14, 2021 8:00:57 GMT -8
Modern day lynchers are no longer going free. I'll take that as a step in the right direction for our country. Modern day lynchers have qualified immunity We'll see how much immunity Derek Chauvin has on 6/25 (sentencing day). I'm not saying things are magically better, but this is a baby step in the right direction. |
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Post by sdsustoner on May 14, 2021 17:25:24 GMT -8
Modern day lynchers have qualified immunity We'll see how much immunity Derek Chauvin has on 6/25 (sentencing day). I'm not saying things are magically better, but this is a baby step in the right direction. That's the hope The fear is unfolding...he is the symbol both parties can point to as they pretend justice is done while systematically fixing nothing. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 16, 2021 9:01:51 GMT -8
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Post by azson on May 17, 2021 7:42:43 GMT -8
And that pretty much says it all about the current state of the GOP and the insidious power of Fox News, et al. over the past 25 years. |
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Post by sdsustoner on May 17, 2021 19:53:30 GMT -8
The people against cancel culture 😆 |
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