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Post by sdsustoner on Jan 16, 2021 6:04:49 GMT -8
Anything that gets them out of the MWC and Craig Thompson's decision making is fine by me. Seriously...
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Post by standiego on Jan 16, 2021 10:27:08 GMT -8
JD has been saying it is a Non Story . If so then he should take the opportunity to look into the possibility of joining for the two major sports or even all sports .
MW will at best be a regional conference ruled by the Mountain schools - so take a real thorough look at the AAC
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Post by AztecCamera on Jan 16, 2021 11:18:51 GMT -8
I don't like it because it means less snow games in baseball.
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Post by uncledougy on Jan 16, 2021 13:58:58 GMT -8
Not sure moving from one irrelevant non-power 5 conference to the sister conference would be a good idea. Especially, if basketball goes to the big west as a result. I think the desire to leave MWC is potentially influencing a decision. I can only think of the age old saying “be careful what you wish for”.
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Post by AzTex on Jan 16, 2021 15:10:38 GMT -8
Not sure moving from one irrelevant non-power 5 conference to the sister conference would be a good idea. Especially, if basketball goes to the big west as a result. I think the desire to leave MWC is potentially influencing a decision. I can only think of the age old saying “be careful what you wish for”. Anything involving moving the basketball program down a level is a non starter as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 16, 2021 15:19:34 GMT -8
Not sure moving from one irrelevant non-power 5 conference to the sister conference would be a good idea. Especially, if basketball goes to the big west as a result. I think the desire to leave MWC is potentially influencing a decision. I can only think of the age old saying “be careful what you wish for”. Anything involving moving the basketball program down a level is a non starter as far as I'm concerned. You mean the 5th place MWC basketball team?
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Post by AzTex on Jan 16, 2021 15:27:03 GMT -8
Anything involving moving the basketball program down a level is a non starter as far as I'm concerned. You mean the 5th place MWC basketball team? You mean we should move the basketball program down to a gym league just because of one under performing year?
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Post by myownwords on Jan 16, 2021 15:47:35 GMT -8
I think football has to take priority over ANY other sport.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 16, 2021 16:20:12 GMT -8
I think football has to take priority over ANY other sport. I disagree. Football is a sport that is losing popularity over time, has it's share of issues with traumatic brain injury's, and Basketball is gaining popularity. It's not like SDSU is located in the South where football is king over everything else. Basketball is a really important part of SDSU's identity with Kawhi, Fisher, Dutcher. I don't think any moves will be made that jeopardize the basketball program.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 16, 2021 16:27:41 GMT -8
I think football has to take priority over ANY other sport. I disagree. Football is a sport that is losing popularity over time, has it's share of issues with traumatic brain injury's, and Basketball is gaining popularity. It's not like SDSU is located in the South where football is king over everything else. Basketball is a really important part of SDSU's identity with Kawhi, Fisher, Dutcher. I don't think any moves will be made that jeopardize the basketball program. So the why is SDSU building a new stadium if football is losing popularity? Football is the reason for the TV contracts and the money. I do agree that the Big West is less than ideal but Fisher agreed to the move 7 years ago. SDSU could try to do what Gonzaga is doing in the WCC.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 16, 2021 17:55:03 GMT -8
I disagree. Football is a sport that is losing popularity over time, has it's share of issues with traumatic brain injury's, and Basketball is gaining popularity. It's not like SDSU is located in the South where football is king over everything else. Basketball is a really important part of SDSU's identity with Kawhi, Fisher, Dutcher. I don't think any moves will be made that jeopardize the basketball program. So the why is SDSU building a new stadium if football is losing popularity? Football is the reason for the TV contracts and the money. I do agree that the Big West is less than ideal but Fisher agreed to the move 7 years ago. SDSU could try to do what Gonzaga is doing in the WCC. Good counterpoint with the Gonzaga example. There is something to being a big fish in a small pond. I'm not saying that Football is going away. But it is losing popularity - it is not as popular with younger people as it was in generations past. The NFL is losing viewers to the NBA.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 16, 2021 18:19:43 GMT -8
So the why is SDSU building a new stadium if football is losing popularity? Football is the reason for the TV contracts and the money. I do agree that the Big West is less than ideal but Fisher agreed to the move 7 years ago. SDSU could try to do what Gonzaga is doing in the WCC. Good counterpoint with the Gonzaga example. There is something to being a big fish in a small pond. I'm not saying that Football is going away. But it is losing popularity - it is not as popular with younger people as it was in generations past. The NFL is losing viewers to the NBA. The NFL dominates the NBA In the Ratings domestically. Where the NBA has the advantage Over the NFL is in international viewership and huge international growth potential.
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Post by myownwords on Jan 17, 2021 9:37:26 GMT -8
I think football has to take priority over ANY other sport. I disagree. Football is a sport that is losing popularity over time, has it's share of issues with traumatic brain injury's, and Basketball is gaining popularity. It's not like SDSU is located in the South where football is king over everything else. Basketball is a really important part of SDSU's identity with Kawhi, Fisher, Dutcher. I don't think any moves will be made that jeopardize the basketball program. I too think that there are issues with football that need to be addressed; and "popularity" is diminishing because of, or in addition to, those issues. But there is an enormous depth to the football "culture" in this country, as well as money flowing in, and around it, that will take many years to sort out. However, basketball is not without problems going forward---with money and politics creating headwinds for them, especially in the NBA. My conclusion is that with BB only bringing up a pale second place to football, as a generator of revenue and notoriety, we MUST lead with that, and worry about the second and third tier sports programs, in a manner best suited to their stature. To me it would be irresponsible and foolish leadership to allow these lessor programs to "lead" the way.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 17, 2021 10:43:19 GMT -8
Football will drive collegiate sports media deals for another decade at least... so yes, for the short and medium term, football ABSOLUTELY leads. NO question about it.
That being said, SDSU also cannot banish basketball to a bottom-feeder league.
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Post by sdsuball on Jan 17, 2021 14:08:47 GMT -8
Yeah, the way I see it, it would be foolish to harm the basketball program because it is so good. If it were okay or bad, I would care less. For me at least, moving football to the AAC, but other sports to the Big West, would be a good/bad move that would be a bit of a wash on balance. Also worth considering is the increase in expenses associated with more trips to faraway schools eating into the increased AAC revenues. I know that football media contracts are a big deal, but so are boosters to the basketball program, basketball season ticket holders, fans, and the legacy of the basketball program.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 17, 2021 14:42:50 GMT -8
Not sure moving from one irrelevant non-power 5 conference to the sister conference would be a good idea. Especially, if basketball goes to the big west as a result. I think the desire to leave MWC is potentially influencing a decision. I can only think of the age old saying “be careful what you wish for”. Anything involving moving the basketball program down a level is a non starter as far as I'm concerned. You, Hoobs, Dougy, sdsubball and the rest of you wonderful people needn't fret about that. In 2020, UCSD took SDSU's place in the Big West - Wicker effectively said as much in his comments
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Post by AzTex on Jan 17, 2021 15:02:56 GMT -8
Anything involving moving the basketball program down a level is a non starter as far as I'm concerned. You, Hoobs, Dougy, sdsubball and the rest of you wonderful people needn't fret about that. In 2020, UCSD took SDSU's place in the Big West - Wicker effectively said as much in his comments True, but other posters here keep bring it up as a possibility. I would really like to play UCSB and Long Beach State in OOC games though. I remember the good old days when we played in basketball as well as football.
I still remember flying in to SB with the football team one year and thought pilot was going to land us in the ocean. Boy, the end of that runway is close to the water. Beautiful campus location also.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 17, 2021 15:29:11 GMT -8
You, Hoobs, Dougy, sdsubball and the rest of you wonderful people needn't fret about that. In 2020, UCSD took SDSU's place in the Big West - Wicker effectively said as much in his comments True, but other posters here keep bring it up as a possibility. I would really like to play UCSB and Long Beach State in OOC games though. I remember the good old days when we played in basketball as well as football. I still remember flying in to SB with the football team one year and thought pilot was going to land us in the ocean. Boy, the end of that runway is close to the water. Beautiful campus location also.
(OT), but not too many campuses have an airport effectively right next to it. And that location you praise, is what will keep Joe Pasternack around until a power conference gig opens up (end OT) Fun fact. Beth Burns' first year as a head coach at SDSU, was the Lady Aztecs last year in the Big West. '89-'90, I believe. IIRC, the prior season SDSU won a couple games in the WNIT. Things change over 30+ years. Aztecs' decision to stay in the MWC opened the door for UC San Diego to join the Division 1 ranks. Guess that one slipped under the radar for some posters here. Dutcher has said he'd be open to playing USD and UCSD in alternating years. It'll happen soon enough. As for the rest of us, TBD.
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Post by SD Johnny on Jan 17, 2021 19:34:37 GMT -8
Anything involving moving the basketball program down a level is a non starter as far as I'm concerned. You, Hoobs, Dougy, sdsubball and the rest of you wonderful people needn't fret about that. In 2020, UCSD took SDSU's place in the Big West - Wicker effectively said as much in his comments Hilarious! Do you really think that the Missouri Valley conference wouldn’t allow Notre Dame to join just because they already have Indiana State as a member? Just because your Gauchos will never join a major conference doesn’t mean you have to be an SDSU hater. Sdsu would make the Big West relevant on day 1. Grow up little man.
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Post by jdgaucho on Jan 17, 2021 22:19:26 GMT -8
You, Hoobs, Dougy, sdsubball and the rest of you wonderful people needn't fret about that. In 2020, UCSD took SDSU's place in the Big West - Wicker effectively said as much in his comments Hilarious! Do you really think that the Missouri Valley conference wouldn’t allow Notre Dame to join just because they already have Indiana State as a member? Just because your Gauchos will never join a major conference doesn’t mean you have to be an SDSU hater. Sdsu would make the Big West relevant on day 1. Grow up little man. Poor analogy. South Bend and Terre Haute are 200+ miles apart. They don't reside in the same county. Also, unlike SDSU, Notre Dame is already in a power conference. And unlike Indiana State, UCSD (and SDSU) have the potential to join one. UC San Diego athletics have come a long ways in a short time. In 2000 they were competing in Division 3. In 2021 they are now Division 1. Who knows, at this rate they might be in the Pac by 2041. Wicker said "no viable options out west for your other sports." That includes the Big West, which SDSU helped found in 1969. How is a league with 10 California members not an option? Common sense. Besides a hit to the NET and KenPom ratings, the Aztecs would also be sharing a conference with UCSD. Wicker's no fool. The last thing you want is to help elevate a strong institution in your own backyard. That potential double whammy didn't exist in 2011. Ergo, UCSD keeps the Aztecs out. Simple as that.
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