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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 7, 2021 20:04:51 GMT -8
So not proof that you like. Continue to move the goalposts. We'll wait. Antifa. Was. Not. There. Even Republican members of Congress have admitted it. Own up, please. Here's what didn't happen, as promoted by Mo Brooks. Mo or less? |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 7, 2021 20:08:21 GMT -8
Geez, does bull$#!+ ever end with these people? They interviewed the people who broke in on TV..its there for all to see. They are not close to Antifa..closer to a cross between Duck Dynasty and Hee Haw.
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 7, 2021 20:29:17 GMT -8
Geez, even Betsy Devos bailed on your $#!+show trumpers! I know antifa!!
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 7, 2021 21:23:10 GMT -8
Absolutely nobody is blowing this out of proportion. We are talking about armed insurrection against the U.S. Capitol building for the first time in 200 years. Armed terrorists, incited by the president, made it to the Senate floor. They had zipties, indicating they wanted to take hostages. Downplaying this is a disservice to the danger and damage this act of domestic terrorism presents. The Republican Congressmen did NOT have zip ties. The Republican Congressmen did NOT want to take hostages. The Republican Congressmen were NOT armed terrorists. If you think it unconscionable that Trump is trying to overturn the will of the people in an election he lost, what do you call this effort by a Democrat congresswoman to overturn the will of the people in 150 elections the Democrats lost? Some morons stormed in to the Capitol building but it is completely blowing thing out of proportion to say that justifies expelling people's elected representatives to establish one-party rule. Cori Bush isn't even the worst of them. Chuck Schumer called it the equal of the attack on Pearl Harbor where 2,403 Americans including 68 civilians died. I know you are ignorant of history but even you should be able to see the loss of life and American property on December 7, 1941 was not 1:1 proportional to the riot at the Capitol. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 7, 2021 21:34:09 GMT -8
Absolutely nobody is blowing this out of proportion. We are talking about armed insurrection against the U.S. Capitol building for the first time in 200 years. Armed terrorists, incited by the president, made it to the Senate floor. They had zipties, indicating they wanted to take hostages. Downplaying this is a disservice to the danger and damage this act of domestic terrorism presents. The Republican Congressmen did NOT have zip ties. The Republican Congressmen did NOT want to take hostages. The Republican Congressmen were NOT armed terrorists. If you think it unconscionable that Trump is trying to overturn the will of the people in an election he lost, what do you call this effort by a Democrat congresswoman to overturn the will of the people in 150 elections the Democrats lost? Some morons stormed in to the Capitol building but it is completely blowing thing out of proportion to say that justifies expelling people's elected representatives to establish one-party rule. Cori Bush isn't even the worst of them. Chuck Schumer called it the equal of the attack on Pearl Harbor where 2,403 Americans including 68 civilians died. I know you are ignorant of history but even you should be able to see the loss of life and American property on December 7, 1941 was not 1:1 proportional to the riot at the Capitol. Have you seen the video of the trump family partying in a tent as this was going down?? I think in 1941, only the Japanese were partying!! Disgrace!! |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Jan 7, 2021 21:35:53 GMT -8
What about Breitbart, and NewsMax, Info Wars, and the myriad KKK, Russian bots,survivalist, wack job sites? They haven't turned on him, have they? The KKK sites turned on him in 2019 and endorsed Joe Biden in this past election. The KKK are your wack jobs. That is why the Proud Boys were the bogeyman in the 2020 election. The media couldn't use the Alt-Right because in 2020 the Alt-Right were Bernie Bros who endorsed Biden. There is even a funny clip of Joy Behar happy they could now count Richard Spencer on their side. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 7, 2021 21:42:06 GMT -8
What about Breitbart, and NewsMax, Info Wars, and the myriad KKK, Russian bots,survivalist, wack job sites? They haven't turned on him, have they? The KKK sites turned on him in 2019 and endorsed Joe Biden in this past election. The KKK are your wack jobs. That is why the Proud Boys were the bogeyman in the 2020 election. The media couldn't use the Alt-Right because in 2020 the Alt-Right were Bernie Bros who endorsed Biden. There is even a funny clip of Joy Behar happy they could now count Richard Spencer on their side. yea, I'd be reaching for straws too if my own party's president f****d the state of Georgia and the Republican party in just a few weeks. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 7, 2021 21:50:58 GMT -8
Enough with the gossipy social media shots, they have Baghdad Bob like credibility. And yes, Antifa is savvy enough to use a confederate flag as a prop. You are a dumbass if you feel otherwise. So not proof that you like. Continue to move the goalposts. We'll wait. Antifa. Was. Not. There. Even Republican members of Congress have admitted it. Own up, please. When social media actively promotes one side while censoring the other, it is not a legit source. After the riots this past summer, the Dems DO NOT HAVE the moral high ground on this issue. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 7, 2021 22:20:56 GMT -8
So not proof that you like. Continue to move the goalposts. We'll wait. Antifa. Was. Not. There. Even Republican members of Congress have admitted it. Own up, please. When social media actively promotes one side while censoring the other, it is not a legit source. After the riots this past summer, the Dems DO NOT HAVE the moral high ground on this issue. What source would you like? You don't seem to understand how private companies can operate. You're very good at regurgitating propaganda though from right-wing networks. Does the president qualify as a source? Here's him asking for peace from his supporters (not Antifa, obviously) I don't give a rat's ass about the moral high ground. You're condoning terrorism by trying to blame the invisible boogeyman, ignoring reality that this was planned for weeks and promoted heavily by the president. You're also objectively ignoring the right-wing infiltrators of extremism that were present at BLM demonstrations. Why? Again, there is zero comparison between social justice/systemic racism against people of color and what happened in the capital. None. One is a legitimate cause, which has plagued this country (and no, I am not okay with property destruction, so save it) and the other is an utter farce perpetuated by a con artist who has duped millions of unintelligent people who do not have the capability of self-awareness and thought. If you want to see propaganda, go to Parler. There are hundreds of people on that site who are beyond hope. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 8, 2021 10:33:48 GMT -8
When social media actively promotes one side while censoring the other, it is not a legit source. After the riots this past summer, the Dems DO NOT HAVE the moral high ground on this issue. What source would you like? You don't seem to understand how private companies can operate. You're very good at regurgitating propaganda though from right-wing networks. Does the president qualify as a source? Here's him asking for peace from his supporters (not Antifa, obviously) I don't give a rat's ass about the moral high ground. You're condoning terrorism by trying to blame the invisible boogeyman, ignoring reality that this was planned for weeks and promoted heavily by the president. You're also objectively ignoring the right-wing infiltrators of extremism that were present at BLM demonstrations. Why? Again, there is zero comparison between social justice/systemic racism against people of color and what happened in the capital. None. One is a legitimate cause, which has plagued this country (and no, I am not okay with property destruction, so save it) and the other is an utter farce perpetuated by a con artist who has duped millions of unintelligent people who do not have the capability of self-awareness and thought. If you want to see propaganda, go to Parler. There are hundreds of people on that site who are beyond hope. So, at least 74 million people are not equal of intelligence to you? Is that what you're saying? There's millions of people who voted for Trump that are much smarter than you. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 8, 2021 10:46:30 GMT -8
What source would you like? You don't seem to understand how private companies can operate. You're very good at regurgitating propaganda though from right-wing networks. Does the president qualify as a source? Here's him asking for peace from his supporters (not Antifa, obviously) I don't give a rat's ass about the moral high ground. You're condoning terrorism by trying to blame the invisible boogeyman, ignoring reality that this was planned for weeks and promoted heavily by the president. You're also objectively ignoring the right-wing infiltrators of extremism that were present at BLM demonstrations. Why? Again, there is zero comparison between social justice/systemic racism against people of color and what happened in the capital. None. One is a legitimate cause, which has plagued this country (and no, I am not okay with property destruction, so save it) and the other is an utter farce perpetuated by a con artist who has duped millions of unintelligent people who do not have the capability of self-awareness and thought. If you want to see propaganda, go to Parler. There are hundreds of people on that site who are beyond hope. So, at least 74 million people are not equal of intelligence to you? Is that what you're saying? There's millions of people who voted for Trump that are much smarter than you. First of all, you never answered the last post after you posted false information about Biden, but water under the bridge. I'll say this again, slower, so we can grasp it. Much of the president's base (an undefined number, as it's a binary issue as well in a two party system) are not college educated individuals. He performed VERY well in both elections with the non-college educated demographic, although it declined in this past election, still 42%. It's easier to seduce people with propaganda if they are able to be baited into doing so, unable to seek transparency. You would honestly be shocked if you heard some of the phone calls into C-Span the other day. People in literal tears wondering if their president lied to them about voter fraud and election integrity. People in tears casting doubt over the integrity of the man in charge. People who have been grifted, conned and duped since 2016 into believing this fallacy. I'm never the smartest person in the room and I don't want to be. But I can spot the obvious patterns of injustice, lies, mischaracterizations and dangerous behavior that Trump has engaged in. He uses easily decipherable language consistently. Always uses "We" to describe his party followers so there's no separation between the two ideas. He uses the phrase "good people" to promote his base (Remember the takeover of the Michigan state legislature? Same terminology there.) The ability to use free will and thought is critical in turning away despotism. Once you succeed in making people believe that media is the enemy of the people, that there's justification to openly attack the freedom of the press, the rest is easy. You create a massive victim complex, propagating that you're the victim of hoaxes, witch hunts, vendettas and the like. And because distrust has been already sewn in, people buy it and drink it up as truth. Five people died the other day. Five. Including a police officer who was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. The president is likely to escape judgment as his term runs out, which sets an awful precedent and is a miscarriage of justice. Impeaching him makes him a martyr to his cult of followers. Invoking the 25th Amendment will lead to an appeal and the clock runs out. The greatest act of sedition in two centuries is likely to lead to zero punitive reprecussions. |
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Post by uwphoto on Jan 8, 2021 11:39:45 GMT -8
What source would you like? You don't seem to understand how private companies can operate. You're very good at regurgitating propaganda though from right-wing networks. Does the president qualify as a source? Here's him asking for peace from his supporters (not Antifa, obviously) I don't give a rat's ass about the moral high ground. You're condoning terrorism by trying to blame the invisible boogeyman, ignoring reality that this was planned for weeks and promoted heavily by the president. You're also objectively ignoring the right-wing infiltrators of extremism that were present at BLM demonstrations. Why? Again, there is zero comparison between social justice/systemic racism against people of color and what happened in the capital. None. One is a legitimate cause, which has plagued this country (and no, I am not okay with property destruction, so save it) and the other is an utter farce perpetuated by a con artist who has duped millions of unintelligent people who do not have the capability of self-awareness and thought. If you want to see propaganda, go to Parler. There are hundreds of people on that site who are beyond hope. So, at least 74 million people are not equal of intelligence to you? Is that what you're saying? There's millions of people who voted for Trump that are much smarter than you. John, I think the number is plummeting. People in his administration are jumping off that train like fleas off a dead dog. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 8, 2021 12:13:55 GMT -8
Lindsey Graham, one of the staunchest supporters of the president who has bucked impeachment (coming Monday), was just accosted at the airport by supporters of the president. If security and bodyguards had not been present....he's very fortunate. Of course these people are still more upset about the election than they are treason, but it's fascinating to see how rapidly the party is eating one of its own.
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 8, 2021 12:29:19 GMT -8
So, at least 74 million people are not equal of intelligence to you? Is that what you're saying? There's millions of people who voted for Trump that are much smarter than you. First of all, you never answered the last post after you posted false information about Biden, but water under the bridge. I'll say this again, slower, so we can grasp it. Much of the president's base (an undefined number, as it's a binary issue as well in a two party system) are not college educated individuals. He performed VERY well in both elections with the non-college educated demographic, although it declined in this past election, still 42%. It's easier to seduce people with propaganda if they are able to be baited into doing so, unable to seek transparency. You would honestly be shocked if you heard some of the phone calls into C-Span the other day. People in literal tears wondering if their president lied to them about voter fraud and election integrity. People in tears casting doubt over the integrity of the man in charge. People who have been grifted, conned and duped since 2016 into believing this fallacy. I'm never the smartest person in the room and I don't want to be. But I can spot the obvious patterns of injustice, lies, mischaracterizations and dangerous behavior that Trump has engaged in. He uses easily decipherable language consistently. Always uses "We" to describe his party followers so there's no separation between the two ideas. He uses the phrase "good people" to promote his base (Remember the takeover of the Michigan state legislature? Same terminology there.) The ability to use free will and thought is critical in turning away despotism. Once you succeed in making people believe that media is the enemy of the people, that there's justification to openly attack the freedom of the press, the rest is easy. You create a massive victim complex, propagating that you're the victim of hoaxes, witch hunts, vendettas and the like. And because distrust has been already sewn in, people buy it and drink it up as truth. Five people died the other day. Five. Including a police officer who was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. The president is likely to escape judgment as his term runs out, which sets an awful precedent and is a miscarriage of justice. Impeaching him makes him a martyr to his cult of followers. Invoking the 25th Amendment will lead to an appeal and the clock runs out. The greatest act of sedition in two centuries is likely to lead to zero punitive reprecussions. I can agree with this. There's certainly an uneducated, easily influenced, Trump base that can make the other supporters look bad. I want to make it clear that I do not condone some of Trumps actions regarding this Capitol building catastrophe. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 8, 2021 12:34:20 GMT -8
So, at least 74 million people are not equal of intelligence to you? Is that what you're saying? There's millions of people who voted for Trump that are much smarter than you. John, I think the number is plummeting. People in his administration are jumping off that train like fleas off a dead dog. I agree Fish, and for good reason. I just want to move on, and like I said before, give this administration a chance to good things, or not. But, give them a chance. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 8, 2021 12:44:32 GMT -8
First of all, you never answered the last post after you posted false information about Biden, but water under the bridge. I'll say this again, slower, so we can grasp it. Much of the president's base (an undefined number, as it's a binary issue as well in a two party system) are not college educated individuals. He performed VERY well in both elections with the non-college educated demographic, although it declined in this past election, still 42%. It's easier to seduce people with propaganda if they are able to be baited into doing so, unable to seek transparency. You would honestly be shocked if you heard some of the phone calls into C-Span the other day. People in literal tears wondering if their president lied to them about voter fraud and election integrity. People in tears casting doubt over the integrity of the man in charge. People who have been grifted, conned and duped since 2016 into believing this fallacy. I'm never the smartest person in the room and I don't want to be. But I can spot the obvious patterns of injustice, lies, mischaracterizations and dangerous behavior that Trump has engaged in. He uses easily decipherable language consistently. Always uses "We" to describe his party followers so there's no separation between the two ideas. He uses the phrase "good people" to promote his base (Remember the takeover of the Michigan state legislature? Same terminology there.) The ability to use free will and thought is critical in turning away despotism. Once you succeed in making people believe that media is the enemy of the people, that there's justification to openly attack the freedom of the press, the rest is easy. You create a massive victim complex, propagating that you're the victim of hoaxes, witch hunts, vendettas and the like. And because distrust has been already sewn in, people buy it and drink it up as truth. Five people died the other day. Five. Including a police officer who was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. The president is likely to escape judgment as his term runs out, which sets an awful precedent and is a miscarriage of justice. Impeaching him makes him a martyr to his cult of followers. Invoking the 25th Amendment will lead to an appeal and the clock runs out. The greatest act of sedition in two centuries is likely to lead to zero punitive reprecussions. I can agree with this. There's certainly an uneducated, easily influenced, Trump base that can make the other supporters look bad. I want to make it clear that I do not condone some of Trumps actions regarding this Capitol building catastrophe. I'm glad you have the ability to discern between the two. Many do not. We are set for a tumultuous and dangerous 12 days. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 8, 2021 12:49:27 GMT -8
I can agree with this. There's certainly an uneducated, easily influenced, Trump base that can make the other supporters look bad. I want to make it clear that I do not condone some of Trumps actions regarding this Capitol building catastrophe. I'm glad you have the ability to discern between the two. Many do not. We are set for a tumultuous and dangerous 12 days. I've always known and have said on here very recently that there's bad apples on both sides. There are probably more bad apples on Trump's side due to there being more less educated individuals. This stuff has been going on America for centuries. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 8, 2021 12:59:09 GMT -8
I'm glad you have the ability to discern between the two. Many do not. We are set for a tumultuous and dangerous 12 days. I've always known and have said on here very recently that there's bad apples on both sides. There are probably more bad apples on Trump's side due to there being more less educated individuals. This stuff has been going on America for centuries. The Confederate flag was displayed in the Capitol building a few days ago. Robert E. Lee and the Confederate Army didn't breach Washington during the Civil War. There hadn't been an insurrection in our capital since the War of 1812. "This" hasn't happened in 200+ years. These terrorists had objectives : Some wanted to assassinate the Vice President by hanging him from a tree. They had zipties, indicating they were prepared to take hostages. They had explosives, including napalm and pipe bombs. They overran the police in minutes and were one door away from our entire legislative branch of government. Please, do not diminish this by conflating a both sides argument. This was domestic terrorism on a grand scale, urged along by the leader of the free world. This was not in the name of justice or peace or honor. It was an act of terrorism to overthrow the government, for the sole purpose of installing the president for a second term in office. "This" doesn't belong in a democracy. |
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Post by johneaztec on Jan 8, 2021 13:22:11 GMT -8
I've always known and have said on here very recently that there's bad apples on both sides. There are probably more bad apples on Trump's side due to there being more less educated individuals. This stuff has been going on America for centuries. The Confederate flag was displayed in the Capitol building a few days ago. Robert E. Lee and the Confederate Army didn't breach Washington during the Civil War. There hadn't been an insurrection in our capital since the War of 1812. "This" hasn't happened in 200+ years. These terrorists had objectives : Some wanted to assassinate the Vice President by hanging him from a tree. They had zipties, indicating they were prepared to take hostages. They had explosives, including napalm and pipe bombs. They overran the police in minutes and were one door away from our entire legislative branch of government. Please, do not diminish this by conflating a both sides argument. This was domestic terrorism on a grand scale, urged along by the leader of the free world. This was not in the name of justice or peace or honor. It was an act of terrorism to overthrow the government, for the sole purpose of installing the president for a second term in office. "This" doesn't belong in a democracy. I wasn't referring to solely the Capitol building incident and I'm not diminishing it, just putting some perspective to it. By the way, those numbskulls weren't going to overthrow anything. They can certainly cause havoc which can result in death like it did and that's the horrific part, but they weren't going to accomplish any of their goals. |
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Post by aztecryan on Jan 8, 2021 13:44:51 GMT -8
The Confederate flag was displayed in the Capitol building a few days ago. Robert E. Lee and the Confederate Army didn't breach Washington during the Civil War. There hadn't been an insurrection in our capital since the War of 1812. "This" hasn't happened in 200+ years. These terrorists had objectives : Some wanted to assassinate the Vice President by hanging him from a tree. They had zipties, indicating they were prepared to take hostages. They had explosives, including napalm and pipe bombs. They overran the police in minutes and were one door away from our entire legislative branch of government. Please, do not diminish this by conflating a both sides argument. This was domestic terrorism on a grand scale, urged along by the leader of the free world. This was not in the name of justice or peace or honor. It was an act of terrorism to overthrow the government, for the sole purpose of installing the president for a second term in office. "This" doesn't belong in a democracy. I wasn't referring to solely the Capitol building incident and I'm not diminishing it, just putting some perspective to it. By the way, those numbskulls weren't going to overthrow anything. They can certainly cause havoc which can result in death like it did and that's the horrific part, but they weren't going to accomplish any of their goals. Thankfully, we didn't have to find out. Perspective is needed in a comprehensive sense, not in a "the other side has bad people, too" - We know rogue extremists exist on both sides of the aisle. But there are levels to extremism and we crossed a massive one at the heart of our democracy. When you have federal lawmakers and government representatives actively participating in a coup attempt, that's a grave concern. |
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