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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 9:21:28 GMT -8
Link: Names of those covering for Government CorruptionThankfully, I guess, my life, reputation or fortunes are not as tied to political outcomes as it seems for the people who signed this document. A document that provided cover for blatant Government corruption. From the selling of the Office of the Presidency, to the obstruction of the Justice as the FBI failed to act upon the discovered information provided, and to the exclusion of the legitimate evidence of Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine during in the phony Impeachment. The inescapable fact is that these people, while not accomplices to the crimes, are nearly equivalent to accessories. And in a non-Governmental angle, this memo was referenced time and time again by partisan media as the reason why they would not or did not report on the obvious corruption of the Biden family it held. The Social Media giants also used it, in part, as a basis to censor discussion of the subject. I don't know how the principals involved ever recover their reputations with objective observers (~Biden, Gov Bureaucrats (like Clapper, Panetta, Brennan), MSM Media, SF Tech)? The sad thing is that I don't think they much care.
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 9:23:16 GMT -8
Link: Names of those covering for Government CorruptionThankfully, I guess, my life, reputation or fortunes are not as tied to political outcomes as it seems for the people who signed this document. A document that provided cover for blatant Government corruption. From the selling of the Office of the Presidency, to the obstruction of the Justice as the FBI failed to act upon the discovered information provided, and to the exclusion of the legitimate evidence of Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine during in the phony Impeachment. The inescapable fact is that these people, while not accomplices to the crimes, are nearly equivalent to accessories. And in a non-Governmental angle, this memo was referenced time and time again by partisan media as the reason why they would not or did not report on the obvious corruption of the Biden family it held. The Social Media giants also used it, in part, as a basis to censor discussion of the subject. I don't how the principals involved recover their reputations with objective observers (~Biden, Gov Bureaucrats (like Clapper, Panetta, Brennan), MSM Media, SF Tech)? The sad thing is that I don't think they much care. Echo chamber. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 9:26:19 GMT -8
Link: Names of those covering for Government CorruptionThankfully, I guess, my life, reputation or fortunes are not as tied to political outcomes as it seems for the people who signed this document. A document that provided cover for blatant Government corruption. From the selling of the Office of the Presidency, to the obstruction of the Justice as the FBI failed to act upon the discovered information provided, and to the exclusion of the legitimate evidence of Joe Biden's corruption in Ukraine during in the phony Impeachment. The inescapable fact is that these people, while not accomplices to the crimes, are nearly equivalent to accessories. And in a non-Governmental angle, this memo was referenced time and time again by partisan media as the reason why they would not or did not report on the obvious corruption of the Biden family it held. The Social Media giants also used it, in part, as a basis to censor discussion of the subject. I don't how the principals involved recover their reputations with objective observers (~Biden, Gov Bureaucrats (like Clapper, Panetta, Brennan), MSM Media, SF Tech)? The sad thing is that I don't think they much care. Echo chamber. True Believer |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 9:29:12 GMT -8
No, you're just stuck in the past. You want to keep referring to 2016 - It's not 2016 anymore. It's time to move forward. Hunter's laptop is the "Hillary's emails"...it's another whining, pathetic attempt to drag this process into the mud. It's over. The fact you still think impeachment was phony shows how dense you are. You're a true believer, alright. Moving on. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 9:32:35 GMT -8
No, you're just stuck in the past. You want to keep referring to 2016 - It's not 2016 anymore. It's time to move forward. Hunter's laptop is the "Hillary's emails"...it's another whining, pathetic attempt to drag this process into the mud. It's over. As I said, like you, they don't much care that they have been found to also be corrupt. The end justifies the means in the Democrat world. Their power is the thing. Integrity can suck it. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 6, 2020 9:43:32 GMT -8
Many disturbing facts came to light under Trump that would have been swept under the rug if Hillary had won. I refer to discoveries of many governmental actions that were aimed one-sidedly against Donald Trump. This should disturb anyone who wants government to be fair and impartial. In other words, who do not want to U.S. to become the world's largest banana republic.
In my opinion, there are way too many people (let's face it, they are on the Left) who are convinced that they are the sole arbiters of what is right and good. In their minds, any actions against those they think are evil (i.e., conservatives, Republicans, and perhaps even libertarians) are justified, even if those actions are contrary to law and fair play.
Don't believe me? Okay, read this and tell me I'm wrong. It is by Glenn Greenwald, hardly a right-wing hack.
khhttps://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 6, 2020 9:52:06 GMT -8
No, you're just stuck in the past. You want to keep referring to 2016 - It's not 2016 anymore. It's time to move forward. Hunter's laptop is the "Hillary's emails"...it's another whining, pathetic attempt to drag this process into the mud. It's over. The fact you still think impeachment was phony shows how dense you are. You're a true believer, alright. Moving on. Ryan, if you think that the FBI, etc., did everything right and "by the book," I guess your position is tenable. But the evidence that the FBI deliberately worked to stop Trump is pretty strong. If that is true, how can that not be very disturbing? There is an historical example of a powerful government official who used his power corruptly and against the concept that we believe to be the basis for the American system of government. It's a name you should remember. J. Edgar Hoover! AzWm |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 9:57:13 GMT -8
No, you're just stuck in the past. Who do you claim won this Presidential election? What year is this? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 10:30:53 GMT -8
No, you're just stuck in the past. You want to keep referring to 2016 - It's not 2016 anymore. It's time to move forward. Hunter's laptop is the "Hillary's emails"...it's another whining, pathetic attempt to drag this process into the mud. It's over. The fact you still think impeachment was phony shows how dense you are. You're a true believer, alright. Moving on. Ryan, if you think that the FBI, etc., did everything right and "by the book," I guess your position is tenable. But the evidence that the FBI deliberately worked to stop Trump is pretty strong. If that is true, how can that not be very disturbing? There is an historical example of a powerful government official who used his power corruptly and against the concept that we believe to be the basis for the American system of government. It's a name you should remember. J. Edgar Hoover! AzWm Yawn. There's also one named Donald Trump. Spare me the theatrics. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Nov 6, 2020 13:36:59 GMT -8
Ryan, if you think that the FBI, etc., did everything right and "by the book," I guess your position is tenable. But the evidence that the FBI deliberately worked to stop Trump is pretty strong. If that is true, how can that not be very disturbing? There is an historical example of a powerful government official who used his power corruptly and against the concept that we believe to be the basis for the American system of government. It's a name you should remember. J. Edgar Hoover! AzWm Yawn. There's also one named Donald Trump. Spare me the theatrics. Nolo contendere once more, eh, Ryan? Here is one more question that I'd like you to answer. In your opinion, would any administration other than a Democrat/Left Wing one ever again be legitimate? A related question. What would the Republicans have to do, in your opinion, to be considered legitimate? Adopt the increasingly far-Left policies of the AOC-style Democrats, only declare that they will pursue those goals more wholeheartedly? My political philosophical is a libertarian one. Government is necessary, to be sure. But the essence of a government is coercion. Nobody likes government telling them what to do, so living in a society with a government entails many tradeoffs. Let's use local zoning laws as an example. Neither of us would want a society so open that a next-door neighbor would be allowed to slaughter hogs on his front lawn. But we would both, I believe, want a system in which the government has limited powers. We would want a say as to which persons are allowed to set limits on our freedoms. That's representative government. I favor a much more limited role for government than that favored by the Left. I favor the maximum freedom for the individual citizen. I don't hear much from the Left about individual freedoms. Instead, Left-wingers are big on telling people how much the government is going to do for people. In order to do all those things, the government would have to be much more powerful than it is now. And it's damned powerful now. That puts much more power over the lives of the individual citizen than I would like. China is a good example. Do what we tell you and we will make your life better. If you disagree with our actions, tough! That's what all totalitarian states say. I'm sure that most on the Left would scoff at my concerns. We're just trying to help you. Any worry that a totalitarian state might emerge here is just nonsense. It can't happen here, right? Don't be fooled, it can happen anywhere, including in the United States of America. The more power the government has, the more really bad people might work to control that power. No nation, certainly including ours, is without flaws. But we would be fools to assume that "enlightened people" would always use the police power of the state to correct those flaws. Correcting national flaws is more than anything a matter of individuals working in the own lives and their interactions with other free citizens to make things better. The downfall of the Romanov rule in Russia was undoubtedly very popular with most common Russian citizens in 1918. I wonder how many of them, including even those who backed the Bolsheviks, ended up murdered by Stalin a couple of decades later. Probably not what they hoped would be the result of the revolution. As I said, we would be fools to assume that it could never happen here. A neighbor slaughtering hogs on his front yard might not be to worst outcome. You or I might discover that we had become the hogs. AzWm |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 14:24:42 GMT -8
Yawn. There's also one named Donald Trump. Spare me the theatrics. Nolo contendere once more, eh, Ryan? Here is one more question that I'd like you to answer. In your opinion, would any administration other than a Democrat/Left Wing one ever again be legitimate? A related question. What would the Republicans have to do, in your opinion, to be considered legitimate? Adopt the increasingly far-Left policies of the AOC-style Democrats, only declare that they will pursue those goals more wholeheartedly? My political philosophical is a libertarian one. Government is necessary, to be sure. But the essence of a government is coercion. Nobody likes government telling them what to do, so living in a society with a government entails many tradeoffs. Let's use local zoning laws as an example. Neither of us would want a society so open that a next-door neighbor would be allowed to slaughter hogs on his front lawn. But we would both, I believe, want a system in which the government has limited powers. We would want a say as to which persons are allowed to set limits on our freedoms. That's representative government. I favor a much more limited role for government than that favored by the Left. I favor the maximum freedom for the individual citizen. I don't hear much from the Left about individual freedoms. Instead, Left-wingers are big on telling people how much the government is going to do for people. In order to do all those things, the government would have to be much more powerful than it is now. And it's damned powerful now. That puts much more power over the lives of the individual citizen than I would like. China is a good example. Do what we tell you and we will make your life better. If you disagree with our actions, tough! That's what all totalitarian states say. I'm sure that most on the Left would scoff at my concerns. We're just trying to help you. Any worry that a totalitarian state might emerge here is just nonsense. It can't happen here, right? Don't be fooled, it can happen anywhere, including in the United States of America. The more power the government has, the more really bad people might work to control that power. No nation, certainly including ours, is without flaws. But we would be fools to assume that "enlightened people" would always use the police power of the state to correct those flaws. Correcting national flaws is more than anything a matter of individuals working in the own lives and their interactions with other free citizens to make things better. The downfall of the Romanov rule in Russia was undoubtedly very popular with most common Russian citizens in 1918. I wonder how many of them, including even those who backed the Bolsheviks, ended up murdered by Stalin a couple of decades later. Probably not what they hoped would be the result of the revolution. As I said, we would be fools to assume that it could never happen here. A neighbor slaughtering hogs on his front yard might not be to worst outcome. You or I might discover that we had become the hogs. AzWm This isn't about partisanship. This is about healing a divided country from a bigot who ran on a campaign of hate twice. Impugnimg the character of sitting members of Congress, promoting racially-infused rhetoric, conspiracy theories, undermining the integrity of this nation and its allies. It's not about liberalism and conservatism. You can stray as far from reality as you want with your long-winded stories, it doesn't matter to me, quite frankly. Mission accomplished as soon as Donald is bounced from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. All the hyperbole in the universe doesn't change the last four years. This nation suffered and Donald Trump will go down as a one-term failure, one of the worst presidents in American history. I appreciate the history lesson, although it's not necessary. You're just going to have to do what the other side did over the last 4 years - Deal with it. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 14:39:08 GMT -8
The Devil Trump was in the way of allowing the benevolent angels of the Democrat Party to run your life so, you see, the ends absolutely justifies our means. If we had to commit voter fraud to beat him, we committed voter fraud. If we had to make up false accusations to harm him, we made up false accusations. If we had to censor free speech to get only our message out, we censored free speech. If we had to condone corruption to put forward the least objectionable candidate, we turned a blind eye to corruption. Its a tough job but somebody has got to do it. After all, we are only thinking of you!
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 14:44:10 GMT -8
The Devil Trump was in the way of allowing the benevolent angels of the Democrat Party to run your life so, you see, the ends absolutely justifies our means. If we had to commit voter fraud to beat him, we committed voter fraud. If we had to make up false accusations to harm him, we made up false accusations. If we had to censor free speech, we censored free speech. If we had to condone corruption, we turned a blind eye to corruption. Its a tough job but somebody has got to do it. We are only thinking of you, after all. Yawn. Seek therapy. No voter fraud, no false accusations and appropriate censorship of "free speech" on a private platform. You can continue to defend him. In a short while, it won't matter. Just makes you look like an utter fool. The hilarity of you bringing up turning a blind eye to corruption (presumably not as a joke) is overwhelming. That's what the entire last four years have been. Hiring unqualified people to positions, campaign finance violations, obliterating the Hatch Act (Yes, I know it doesn't apply to the president directly), along with a myriad of scandals. Get back on this planet, please. I appreciate the laughter, though. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 14:45:38 GMT -8
The Devil Trump was in the way of allowing the benevolent angels of the Democrat Party to run your life so, you see, the ends absolutely justifies our means. If we had to commit voter fraud to beat him, we committed voter fraud. If we had to make up false accusations to harm him, we made up false accusations. If we had to censor free speech, we censored free speech. If we had to condone corruption, we turned a blind eye to corruption. Its a tough job but somebody has got to do it. We are only thinking of you, after all. Yawn. Seek therapy. No voter fraud, no false accusations and appropriate censorship of "free speech" on a private platform. You can continue to defend him. In a short while, it won't matter. Just makes you look like an utter fool. You saw a defense of Trump in that? Too funny! |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 14:50:26 GMT -8
Yawn. Seek therapy. No voter fraud, no false accusations and appropriate censorship of "free speech" on a private platform. You can continue to defend him. In a short while, it won't matter. Just makes you look like an utter fool. You saw a defense of Trump in that? Too funny! Then speak English, because that's how it reads. A defense of him against corruption....which is so absurd, it makes me laugh hysterically. Again. |
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Post by azson on Nov 6, 2020 15:17:01 GMT -8
Yawn. There's also one named Donald Trump. Spare me the theatrics. Nolo contendere once more, eh, Ryan? Here is one more question that I'd like you to answer. In your opinion, would any administration other than a Democrat/Left Wing one ever again be legitimate? A related question. What would the Republicans have to do, in your opinion, to be considered legitimate? Adopt the increasingly far-Left policies of the AOC-style Democrats, only declare that they will pursue those goals more wholeheartedly? My political philosophical is a libertarian one. Government is necessary, to be sure. But the essence of a government is coercion. Nobody likes government telling them what to do, so living in a society with a government entails many tradeoffs. Let's use local zoning laws as an example. Neither of us would want a society so open that a next-door neighbor would be allowed to slaughter hogs on his front lawn. But we would both, I believe, want a system in which the government has limited powers. We would want a say as to which persons are allowed to set limits on our freedoms. That's representative government. I favor a much more limited role for government than that favored by the Left. I favor the maximum freedom for the individual citizen. I don't hear much from the Left about individual freedoms. Instead, Left-wingers are big on telling people how much the government is going to do for people. In order to do all those things, the government would have to be much more powerful than it is now. And it's damned powerful now. That puts much more power over the lives of the individual citizen than I would like. China is a good example. Do what we tell you and we will make your life better. If you disagree with our actions, tough! That's what all totalitarian states say. I'm sure that most on the Left would scoff at my concerns. We're just trying to help you. Any worry that a totalitarian state might emerge here is just nonsense. It can't happen here, right? Don't be fooled, it can happen anywhere, including in the United States of America. The more power the government has, the more really bad people might work to control that power. No nation, certainly including ours, is without flaws. But we would be fools to assume that "enlightened people" would always use the police power of the state to correct those flaws. Correcting national flaws is more than anything a matter of individuals working in the own lives and their interactions with other free citizens to make things better. The downfall of the Romanov rule in Russia was undoubtedly very popular with most common Russian citizens in 1918. I wonder how many of them, including even those who backed the Bolsheviks, ended up murdered by Stalin a couple of decades later. Probably not what they hoped would be the result of the revolution. As I said, we would be fools to assume that it could never happen here. A neighbor slaughtering hogs on his front yard might not be to worst outcome. You or I might discover that we had become the hogs. AzWm Speaking of your libertarian philosophy, how are you feeling about Jo Jo being Trump's Nader this cycle? |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 15:24:11 GMT -8
You saw a defense of Trump in that? Too funny! Then speak English, because that's how it reads. A defense of him against corruption....which is so absurd, it makes me laugh hysterically. Again. The thread is about the obvious corruption of Joe Biden and the Government Intel cronies that could care less about actual justice and integrity for the sake of future jobs, future gigs on cable and/or to stay out of jail. Little Hunters, in reality. Your Trump whataboutism, I see, is a defense of that but not much of one. The other Democrat corruption of voting schemes (with its lack of verifications and oversight), the ruination of media with the elimination of objective journalism (See Greenwald at the Intercept, Weiss and Bennet of the NYT, etc), tech platforms that went Orwellian in the run up to election, the multiple times that Democrat Schiff, for example, told the public he had evidence of Russian Collusion on Trump and to find out he questioned some 63 or so witnesses under OATH that all said to a person that they had no evidence of that whatsoever. Think that I am defending Trump all you want but it is actually an indictment of the Democrat party (and fellow travellers) and their corruption, lack of integrity, dishonesty and failures of conscience. It seems all of that destruction were means to an end. Admittedly it may have worked for the one office in question but at what price otherwise? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 6, 2020 15:27:45 GMT -8
Then speak English, because that's how it reads. A defense of him against corruption....which is so absurd, it makes me laugh hysterically. Again. The thread is about the obvious corruption of Joe Biden and the Government Intel cronies that could care less about actual justice and integrity for the sake of future jobs, future gigs on cable and/or to stay out of jail. Little Hunters, in reality. Your Trump whataboutism, I see, is a defense of that but not much of one. The other Democrat corruption of voting schemes (with its lack of verifications and oversight), the ruination of media with the elimination of objective journalism (See Greenwald at the Intercept, Weiss and Bennet of the NYT, etc), tech platforms that went Orwellian in the run up to election, the multiple times that Democrat Schiff, for example, told the public he had evidence of Russian Collusion on Trump and to find out he questioned some 63 or so witnesses under OATH that all said to a person that they had no evidence of that whatsoever. Think that I am defending Trump all you want but it is actually an indictment of the Democrat party (and fellow travellers) and their corruption, lack of integrity, dishonesty and failures of conscience. It seems all of that destruction were means to end. Admittedly it may have worked for the one office in question but at what price otherwise? There is no Biden corruption. It's a total smoke screen, perpetrated by delusional folks like yourself who don't want to look in the mirror and admit the failures and misgivings of their own side. Not once have you objectively acknowledged the absolute corrupt practice of Donald Trump, you know, the guy who was president for the last 4 years? Not once have you acknowledged the transgressions, the illegal activities, the fraud, the grift...none of it. Have fun yelling into the wind. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 6, 2020 15:34:00 GMT -8
The thread is about the obvious corruption of Joe Biden and the Government Intel cronies that could care less about actual justice and integrity for the sake of future jobs, future gigs on cable and/or to stay out of jail. Little Hunters, in reality. Your Trump whataboutism, I see, is a defense of that but not much of one. The other Democrat corruption of voting schemes (with its lack of verifications and oversight), the ruination of media with the elimination of objective journalism (See Greenwald at the Intercept, Weiss and Bennet of the NYT, etc), tech platforms that went Orwellian in the run up to election, the multiple times that Democrat Schiff, for example, told the public he had evidence of Russian Collusion on Trump and to find out he questioned some 63 or so witnesses under OATH that all said to a person that they had no evidence of that whatsoever. Think that I am defending Trump all you want but it is actually an indictment of the Democrat party (and fellow travellers) and their corruption, lack of integrity, dishonesty and failures of conscience. It seems all of that destruction were means to end. Admittedly it may have worked for the one office in question but at what price otherwise? There is no Biden corruption. It's a total smoke screen, perpetrated by delusional folks like yourself who don't want to look in the mirror and admit the failures and misgivings of their own side. Not once have you objectively acknowledged the absolute corrupt practice of Donald Trump, you know, the guy who was president for the last 4 years? Not once have you acknowledged the transgressions, the illegal activities, the fraud, the grift...none of it. Have fun yelling into the wind. There was no Russian disinfo with the Hunter PC fiasco - none, zip, zero, nada - yet grown a$$ men of supposed esteem said it was likely for the sake of cover for their potential new boss (or at the expense of the man they hated). Not one statement that it wasn't at all true. Just deflection. The Big Guy is Joe and you know it was well as I do. I get it - he is my criminal and I'm sticking with him thick or thin, but spare the "no Biden corruption" claim. Even the phony intel cronies didn't go that far. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 6, 2020 17:24:32 GMT -8
There is no Biden corruption. It's a total smoke screen, perpetrated by delusional folks like yourself who don't want to look in the mirror and admit the failures and misgivings of their own side. Not once have you objectively acknowledged the absolute corrupt practice of Donald Trump, you know, the guy who was president for the last 4 years? Not once have you acknowledged the transgressions, the illegal activities, the fraud, the grift...none of it. Have fun yelling into the wind. There was no Russian disinfo with the Hunter PC fiasco - none, zip, zero, nada - yet grown a$$ men of supposed esteem said it was likely for the sake of cover for their potential new boss (or at the expense of the man they hated). Not one statement that it wasn't at all true. Just deflection. The Big Guy is Joe and you know it was well as I do. I get it - he is my criminal and I'm sticking with him thick or thin, but spare the "no Biden corruption" claim. Even the phony intel cronies didn't go that far. Go hang out with Steve Bannon. He's in your wheelhouse...ps "deep state"..gimme an fuckin break. |
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