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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 29, 2010 19:47:47 GMT -8
I am totally in favor of declaring Wikileaks a terrorist organization. Since they are effectively putting American Diplomats lives at stake. I see nothing wrong with arresting and/or executing any and all people associated with that blood thirsty organization.
If the United States fails to act, I know that the Texas Militia will if we can provide enough funds to allow them to dispatch executions squads around the world. I am too old for that kind of stuff any more, but we should support them any way possible.
If we have to act on our own, so be it.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 30, 2010 3:19:31 GMT -8
The government needs to act with haste to jail the leakers and figure a way to stop classified info that puts American lives at risk. They are not acting with haste and this crap continues.
For once, I side with Joe, except for teh extrajudicial part...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 30, 2010 6:36:03 GMT -8
Wikileaks has gotten way out of hand. U.S. national security and the safety of American officials (not to mention U.S. citizens) is diminished due to these leaks. That has to break some law.
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Post by aztec70 on Nov 30, 2010 7:45:08 GMT -8
I am interested to know who is doing the leaking. Wikileaks is just the conduit.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 30, 2010 7:56:03 GMT -8
I am interested to know who is doing the leaking. Wikileaks is just the conduit. Regardless, they all need to be put to death. The world is way overpopulated. Terminating them would be a step in the right direction. The Mossad is a joke, but the Aman could be contracted to terminate the Wikileaks Criminals if the US were to ask and pay for their services. |
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Post by JOCAZTEC on Nov 30, 2010 8:08:38 GMT -8
I have a grape idea! Let's search all the Americans getting on airplanes instead! It makes for easier work for government than trying to close down a foreign website and finding out how they got the secrets out of the government's loading dock trash can...
Hai.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 30, 2010 8:43:49 GMT -8
The government needs to act with haste to jail the leakers and figure a way to stop classified info that puts American lives at risk. They are not acting with haste and this crap continues. For once, I side with Joe, except for teh extrajudicial part... Some of the leaked information was also published by the NY Times as well as numerous foreign publications. Do you also propose to jail their management too? |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 30, 2010 8:45:01 GMT -8
I am totally in favor of declaring Wikileaks a terrorist organization. Since they are effectively putting American Diplomats lives at stake. I see nothing wrong with arresting and/or executing any and all people associated with that blood thirsty organization. If the United States fails to act, I know that the Texas Militia will if we can provide enough funds to allow them to dispatch executions squads around the world. I am too old for that kind of stuff any more, but we should support them any way possible. If we have to act on our own, so be it. What about the NY Times? They also published some of the leaked information. |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 30, 2010 13:24:42 GMT -8
The government needs to act with haste to jail the leakers and figure a way to stop classified info that puts American lives at risk. They are not acting with haste and this crap continues. For once, I side with Joe, except for teh extrajudicial part... Some of the leaked information was also published by the NY Times as well as numerous foreign publications. Do you also propose to jail their management too? I said the leakers, the people passing classified information to the media. You have a problem with that? |
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Post by aztecinoz on Nov 30, 2010 14:22:34 GMT -8
The problem with dealing with data loss is the government works way too slow.
There is a way to add watermarks to digital files but it would take years to implement.
They could also disable all removeable media(USB CD-ROM) on SIPR attached machines but they don't do that.
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Post by aztecinoz on Nov 30, 2010 14:24:21 GMT -8
As for who is responsible, it will all fall on Bradley Manning.
But I am sure that not all of these documents came from him.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 30, 2010 15:47:13 GMT -8
Some of the leaked information was also published by the NY Times as well as numerous foreign publications. Do you also propose to jail their management too? I said the leakers, the people passing classified information to the media. You have a problem with that? Nope. Hang the guy by his nuts.  |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 30, 2010 16:01:34 GMT -8
I said the leakers, the people passing classified information to the media. You have a problem with that? Nope. Hang the guy by his nuts. Joe? Haha! Seriously, what about the media that publishes known illegally obtained and dangerous classified documents? It is illegal to use illgotten gains in business, does the cover of the 1st Amendment? |
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Nov 30, 2010 16:18:55 GMT -8
Nope. Hang the guy by his nuts. Joe? Haha! Seriously, what about the media that publishes known illegally obtained and dangerous classified documents? It is illegal to use illgotten gains in business, does the cover of the 1st Amendment? Sure is. See U.S. v. New York Times in the Pentagon Papers prosecution. Now personally, I have a real problem with not redacting names since that most likely puts individuals in jeopardy and punishment might be in order. But then again, most of the right-wing had no problem with Valerie Plame being outed or what might have happened to her assets. On that she has stated: "The CIA saw a damage report. I didn't see it. But I can say that I know what happened to some of these assets. I know that some people were placed in severe jeopardy, and it ended badly." Typical hypocrisy that wing-nuts on both sides engage in. =Bob |
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 30, 2010 17:24:36 GMT -8
Joe? Haha! Seriously, what about the media that publishes known illegally obtained and dangerous classified documents? It is illegal to use illgotten gains in business, does the cover of the 1st Amendment? Sure is. See U.S. v. New York Times in the Pentagon Papers prosecution. Now personally, I have a real problem with not redacting names since that most likely puts individuals in jeopardy and punishment might be in order. But then again, most of the right-wing had no problem with Valerie Plame being outed or what might have happened to her assets. On that she has stated: "The CIA saw a damage report. I didn't see it. But I can say that I know what happened to some of these assets. I know that some people were placed in severe jeopardy, and it ended badly." Typical hypocrisy that wing-nuts on both sides engage in. =Bob Typical -bob red Herring. I asked a question to get AAAs thoughts. You in turn offered a phony strawman argument when what you propped was a lefty counter. The question remains, there are hundreds of thousands of classifieds documents, most not redacted. Classified. There is a proper procedure to look at releasing documents and the media isn't part of it. Their job is to sell papers, classified docs would do that. At what cost? |
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Post by davdesid on Nov 30, 2010 17:52:52 GMT -8
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Dec 4, 2010 6:58:26 GMT -8
GOSH I HAVE FOLLOWERS!
Newt Gingrich: "The WikiLeaks guy should be in jail for the rest of his life...He is an enemy of the United States, actively endangering people, and he's gonna get a lot of folks killed. And I think that's a despicable act, and we should treat him as an enemy combatant, and as an absolute enemy of the United States." Also watch his interview on Freedom Watch. Gingrich advocates foreign intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and North Korea.
Glenn Beck said that Julian Assange should be tried for treason and executed.
Mike Huckabee said, "Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty."
Bill O'Reilly said leakers are traitors who "should be executed or put in prison for life.”
Sarah Palin said to "target WikiLeaks’ Julian Assange like the Taliban."
Peter King, Congressman, wants Wikileaks designated a terrorist organization.
Eric Bolling of Fox News (~ 2:35 mark): "[Assange] should be put in jail or hanged in a public forum."
Wayne Simmons of Fox News calls Wikileaks a terrorist organization.
Lt. Col. Ralph Peters of Fox News: "I would execute leakers."
Liz Cheney (daughter of Dick Cheney) said Obama should shut down Wikileaks and prosecute Julian Assange.
Mike Rogers, Congressman, calls for treason charges and execution.
Conservatives tell Obama to send Julian Assange to Guantanamo.
Rush Limbaugh, radio talk show host: "Back in the old days when men were men and countries were countries, this guy would die of lead poisoning from a bullet in the brain..."
Todd Schnitt, radio talk show host: "Assange is a terrorist, an enemy combatant, and needs to be treated as such."
Steve Gill, radio talk show host, says Assange should be targetted as a terrorist, and captured or killed.
Tim Flanagan, University of Calgary Professor: ""Well I think Assange should be assassinated actually. . . I think Obama should put out a contract and maybe use a drone or something."
John Hawkins, blogger, says the CIA should assassinate Julian Assange:
Julian Assange is not an American citizen and he has no constitutional rights. So, there's no reason that the CIA can't kill him. Moreover, ask yourself a simple question: If Julian Assange is shot in the head tomorrow or if his car is blown up when he turns the key, what message do you think that would send about releasing sensitive American data?
Brad Thor, author, said Bradley Manning should get the death penalty.
Candice Miller, Congresswoman: "Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are criminals whose actions support terrorists and criminal regimes around the world. It is now long past time for our government to shut WikiLeaks down."
G. Gordon Liddy, former White House advisor and radio talk show host: Assange deserves to be on kill list.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Dec 4, 2010 7:09:12 GMT -8
The government needs to act with haste to jail the leakers and figure a way to stop classified info that puts American lives at risk. They are not acting with haste and this crap continues. For once, I side with Joe, except for teh extrajudicial part... Some of the leaked information was also published by the NY Times as well as numerous foreign publications. Do you also propose to jail their management too? You know guys, that years ago, newspapers would use discretion in what the ran as news stories. Everybody around JFK including the press knew that he had women (Not one, but many) on the side. He even had the pretty young things come to the white house while Jackie was out shopping. Not one paper would print a story on the Presidents private sex life. They used discretion. "All the news fit to print." was one quotation by a major newspaper. "Fit to print" was the operative phrase. If any American Newspaper had staff members who printed the Wikileaks crap, they were printing news that was not fit to print because it could endanger American lives. Yes, they need to be rounded up and punished. Their acts were treason. They should be punished accordingly. |
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Post by aztecwin on Dec 4, 2010 8:04:33 GMT -8
Find the source of the leaks and Wikileaks will not be an issue. We are looking in the wrong places.
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Post by Bob Forsythe on Dec 4, 2010 18:00:10 GMT -8
Sure is. See U.S. v. New York Times in the Pentagon Papers prosecution. Now personally, I have a real problem with not redacting names since that most likely puts individuals in jeopardy and punishment might be in order. But then again, most of the right-wing had no problem with Valerie Plame being outed or what might have happened to her assets. On that she has stated: "The CIA saw a damage report. I didn't see it. But I can say that I know what happened to some of these assets. I know that some people were placed in severe jeopardy, and it ended badly." Typical hypocrisy that wing-nuts on both sides engage in. =Bob Typical -bob red Herring. I asked a question to get AAAs thoughts. You in turn offered a phony strawman argument when what you propped was a lefty counter. The question remains, there are hundreds of thousands of classifieds documents, most not redacted. Classified. There is a proper procedure to look at releasing documents and the media isn't part of it. Their job is to sell papers, classified docs would do that. At what cost? No red herring there. I answered your question in my response regarding the Pentagon Papers. I also stated that anyone publishing them should use good sense and redact names. But that aside, the fact that government marks something as classified does not necessarily mean that it being made public puts people in harm's way. Quite often classified means nothing more than somebody doesn't care to be embarrassed or a report stated something that someone didn't want the public to see. That was the case with the Pentagon Papers. We had Westmoreland on TV at least a couple times a week telling us we could see the light at the end of the tunnel because the VC were defeated or close to it. Tet showed that to be a lie, even if we pretty much destroyed the VC during that battle, because it showed that the North was quite willing to take the fight to us. The Pentagon Papers took it further by offering proof that the American public had been lied to over and over. So it's not just so simply as discussing whether something is classified or not. What it really comes down to is what the American public needs to know in order to make an informed voting decision and far too often, the American public is kept in the dark for nothing more than political reasons. =Bob |
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