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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2020 15:07:20 GMT -8
You should know by now that if the sources are anonymous the story is likely fake. No, that's not a real thing, sadly. And he's actively doing it (as I said three months ago) with multiple different states so it's not a surprise. It won't work, but the damage to the country, the reputation of free and fair elections and the legitimacy of a Biden term is far-reaching. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2020 15:15:28 GMT -8
You should know by now that if the sources are anonymous the story is likely fake. No, that's not a real thing, sadly. And he's actively doing it (as I said three months ago) with multiple different states so it's not a surprise. It won't work, but the damage to the country, the reputation of free and fair elections and the legitimacy of a Biden term is far-reaching. Not anonymous. A coordinated plan to hijack an election that wasn't close. Their own legal filing openly says it. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 19, 2020 16:49:21 GMT -8
Not anonymous. A coordinated plan to hijack an election that wasn't close. Like I said, it is fake. This tweet is from 2 days ago and Wayne County Board of Canvassers certified their vote. Nice self-own. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2020 19:18:01 GMT -8
Not anonymous. A coordinated plan to hijack an election that wasn't close. Like I said, it is fake. This tweet is from 2 days ago and Wayne County Board of Canvassers certified their vote. Nice self-own. Not fake. It's literally from Jenna Ellis's account. Read between the lines. The only one getting owned here is the delusional one who refuses to grip truth and doesn't respond to the entirety of the argument. Same strategy in Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Not fake. Repeat....Not fake. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2020 19:28:05 GMT -8
Suppose this is fake, too.
Talking to people who aren't of sound mind is a fruitless process.
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 19, 2020 20:13:28 GMT -8
Like I said, it is fake. This tweet is from 2 days ago and Wayne County Board of Canvassers certified their vote. Nice self-own. Not fake. It's literally from Jenna Ellis's account. Your original article from anonymous sources is fake. The Jenna Ellis tweet is real but it is days old and no longer good information because the vote was certified. No. You don't "read between the lines". That is the way conspiracy theory crazies talk. Look at real evidence and report on it. The Wayne County vote has been certified. The Trump team has withdrawn the lawsuit. Michigan is over. Get a grip. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 19, 2020 20:58:33 GMT -8
Not fake. It's literally from Jenna Ellis's account. Your original article from anonymous sources is fake. The Jenna Ellis tweet is real but it is days old and no longer good information because the vote was certified. No. You don't "read between the lines". That is the way conspiracy theory crazies talk. Look at real evidence and report on it. The Wayne County vote has been certified. The Trump team has withdrawn the lawsuit. Michigan is over. Get a grip. It's not fake. Trump personally called the two canvassers, which was confirmed by multiple sources, including Monica Palmer herself. Take your head out of the clouds and get back on this planet. This is how democracy dies. Legit LOL at conspiracy theories when that's all your side is claiming as they get smashed in court. If it's a non-issue, why did the two Wayne County canvassers appear on Laura Ingraham's show TONIGHT? I don't need to get a grip, I told you months ago exactly what Donald Trump would do to try and stay in office after losing. It's being followed to a tee. The question is....Why don't you have a problem with it? |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 20, 2020 0:17:17 GMT -8
Your original article from anonymous sources is fake. The Jenna Ellis tweet is real but it is days old and no longer good information because the vote was certified. No. You don't "read between the lines". That is the way conspiracy theory crazies talk. Look at real evidence and report on it. The Wayne County vote has been certified. The Trump team has withdrawn the lawsuit. Michigan is over. Get a grip. It's not fake. Trump personally called the two canvassers, which was confirmed by multiple sources, including Monica Palmer herself. Take your head out of the clouds and get back on this planet. This is how democracy dies. Legit LOL at conspiracy theories when that's all your side is claiming as they get smashed in court. If it's a non-issue, why did the two Wayne County canvassers appear on Laura Ingraham's show TONIGHT? I don't need to get a grip, I told you months ago exactly what Donald Trump would do to try and stay in office after losing. It's being followed to a tee. The question is....Why don't you have a problem with it? Whoever lost the election was going to contest it. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2020 0:45:03 GMT -8
It's not fake. Trump personally called the two canvassers, which was confirmed by multiple sources, including Monica Palmer herself. Take your head out of the clouds and get back on this planet. This is how democracy dies. Legit LOL at conspiracy theories when that's all your side is claiming as they get smashed in court. If it's a non-issue, why did the two Wayne County canvassers appear on Laura Ingraham's show TONIGHT? I don't need to get a grip, I told you months ago exactly what Donald Trump would do to try and stay in office after losing. It's being followed to a tee. The question is....Why don't you have a problem with it? Whoever lost the election was going to contest it. There is a difference in validity that I really hope is plainly evident, if you're being honest here. There is no way in hell Joe Biden would be filing lawsuits in every state, undermining the election process by trying to circumvent election protocol in a myriad of ways. Think, John. Think. If the roles were flipped, do you seriously believe Biden's team would be threatening to go to the Supreme Court to undo democracy? Do you seriously believe that? There's a monumental difference between asking for a recount under existing law (perfectly acceptable) versus trying to elect your own set of representatives to change the outcome of an election. One is legal, the other is a beyond impeachable offense. Trump doesn't want to win....He wants to inspire enough doubt to delegitimize the entire process, cast suspicion to rile up his base of suppprters and change the course of current events to avoid prosecution. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 20, 2020 6:50:55 GMT -8
I don't need to get a grip, I told you months ago exactly what Donald Trump would do to try and stay in office after losing. It's being followed to a tee. The question is....Why don't you have a problem with it? What you said months ago was that Trump would refuse to leave office. That isn't happening. You don't seem to be able to differentiate noise being made for show versus real events. In reality the vote in Wayne County has been certified. In reality the lawsuits in Michigan have been withdrawn. In reality the lawsuits in Pennsylvania have been amended to be toothless. In reality the states will chose their electors. In reality the Electoral College will cast their votes. In reality the new President will be inaugurated on January 20. What happens on Twitter, or the Laura Ingram show, or in anonymous sourced news stories isn't reality. It is noise. You can quibble on the content being real or fake but the truth is that it doesn't matter. It is just noise to get your attention so they can sell advertising. It is the noise that is the true threat to our system of government and they aren't leaving office. The press has become the enemy of the American people. If anything is going to spark a civil war it will be the unending rise in the heat of the rhetoric being forced in your face to compel engagement for the purposes of pushing another advertisement for Geico or whatever knickknack you searched for yesterday. Trump is not going to refuse to leave office. That is fake. That is noise. Trump is going to leave office when the new President is inaugurated on January 20. That is reality. The last time you got all spun up about this I offered to take a wager that you were wrong and even offered odds. That offer is still open if you think you've got Twitter sources with inside, secret truth that power won't be peacefully transferred on January 20. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 20, 2020 9:22:34 GMT -8
I don't need to get a grip, I told you months ago exactly what Donald Trump would do to try and stay in office after losing. It's being followed to a tee. The question is....Why don't you have a problem with it? What you said months ago was that Trump would refuse to leave office. That isn't happening. You don't seem to be able to differentiate noise being made for show versus real events. In reality the vote in Wayne County has been certified. In reality the lawsuits in Michigan have been withdrawn. In reality the lawsuits in Pennsylvania have been amended to be toothless. In reality the states will chose their electors. In reality the Electoral College will cast their votes. In reality the new President will be inaugurated on January 20. What happens on Twitter, or the Laura Ingram show, or in anonymous sourced news stories isn't reality. It is noise. You can quibble on the content being real or fake but the truth is that it doesn't matter. It is just noise to get your attention so they can sell advertising. It is the noise that is the true threat to our system of government and they aren't leaving office. The press has become the enemy of the American people. If anything is going to spark a civil war it will be the unending rise in the heat of the rhetoric being forced in your face to compel engagement for the purposes of pushing another advertisement for Geico or whatever knickknack you searched for yesterday. Trump is not going to refuse to leave office. That is fake. That is noise. Trump is going to leave office when the new President is inaugurated on January 20. That is reality. The last time you got all spun up about this I offered to take a wager that you were wrong and even offered odds. That offer is still open if you think you've got Twitter sources with inside, secret truth that power won't be peacefully transferred on January 20. yes, the unstable MF is highly trusted. |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2020 10:13:18 GMT -8
I don't need to get a grip, I told you months ago exactly what Donald Trump would do to try and stay in office after losing. It's being followed to a tee. The question is....Why don't you have a problem with it? What you said months ago was that Trump would refuse to leave office. That isn't happening. You don't seem to be able to differentiate noise being made for show versus real events. In reality the vote in Wayne County has been certified. In reality the lawsuits in Michigan have been withdrawn. In reality the lawsuits in Pennsylvania have been amended to be toothless. In reality the states will chose their electors. In reality the Electoral College will cast their votes. In reality the new President will be inaugurated on January 20. What happens on Twitter, or the Laura Ingram show, or in anonymous sourced news stories isn't reality. It is noise. You can quibble on the content being real or fake but the truth is that it doesn't matter. It is just noise to get your attention so they can sell advertising. It is the noise that is the true threat to our system of government and they aren't leaving office. The press has become the enemy of the American people. If anything is going to spark a civil war it will be the unending rise in the heat of the rhetoric being forced in your face to compel engagement for the purposes of pushing another advertisement for Geico or whatever knickknack you searched for yesterday. Trump is not going to refuse to leave office. That is fake. That is noise. Trump is going to leave office when the new President is inaugurated on January 20. That is reality. The last time you got all spun up about this I offered to take a wager that you were wrong and even offered odds. That offer is still open if you think you've got Twitter sources with inside, secret truth that power won't be peacefully transferred on January 20. Literally nothing here is worth responding to, but what you fail to grasp is even if he *doesn't* refuse to leave, the perception of illegitimate events in a wide enough base of people will undermine elections from here on forward. 88% of Trump supporters in a recent poll believed this was a fraudulent election on their side. In reality, dangerous precedents continue to happen daily. As much as I appreciate the Trump legal team not knowing the difference between Michigan and Minnesota..Power needs to be transferred peacefully NOW. And again, since you avoided the question entirely....Why do you think this is acceptable? A real answer, not some Constitution bull$#!+, please. |
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Post by Al-O-Meter on Nov 20, 2020 10:35:01 GMT -8
Power needs to be transferred peacefully NOW. And again, since you avoided the question entirely....Why do you think this is acceptable? A real answer, not some Constitution bull$#!+, please. The Constitution is literally the ONLY thing that matters as it is the sole source speaking on how the power of the Presidency is transferred in our government. You don't get to change the rules just because you don't like the current President and want to rush the process to seat the new one. Power will be transferred peacefully on January 20th just as it has been in every other electorally dictated transfer of Presidential power in our nation's history. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 20, 2020 11:16:28 GMT -8
djhjmedia.com/rich/anomalies-in-2020-voting-statistics-prove-voter-fraud-cannot-be-denied/Isn't this the group that says we should "Follow the science"? Isn't statistical analysis a viable tool used in the Scientific Method? Consider the astronomical turn-outs in battle ground cites/states, the over performance of Biden relative to Hillary and Obama only in battle ground cities/states, the exorbitant amount of "Biden only" ballots in battle ground cities/states, etc. All are indications of potential voting fraud. But, in this case, time is the enemy of both the Trump team and the Democrats. For the Trump team, the obviousness of the fraud is there for all to see. The explanation and proof of that fraud beyond a reasonable doubt, however, takes time. But time is limited for challenges and the bad actors need only stay quiet for a short time longer and they will have succeeded. But in all conspiracies, the truth ultimately comes out over time - ala the Russia Hoax, etc. For now, the Democrats explain it away saying "our ground game was on target in the battle ground states. So Boo Hoo!" and hope to run out the clock. I get it. But a time is coming when all will be known, however, and it will end badly for the cabal (or should anyway). But of course, maybe we shouldn't follow the science??
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2020 12:49:03 GMT -8
Power needs to be transferred peacefully NOW. And again, since you avoided the question entirely....Why do you think this is acceptable? A real answer, not some Constitution bull$#!+, please. The Constitution is literally the ONLY thing that matters as it is the sole source speaking on how the power of the Presidency is transferred in our government. You don't get to change the rules just because you don't like the current President and want to rush the process to seat the new one. Power will be transferred peacefully on January 20th just as it has been in every other electorally dictated transfer of Presidential power in our nation's history. What a non-answer. Expected, unfortunately. Surely someone as knowledgeable in our government's processes would realize that transition procedure ALWAYS begins earlier than January 20th. Access to intelligence briefings, cabinet preparations, federal agency oversight, aide staffing and so on. Nobody is changing the rules, you're just denying the obvious. Trump's lack of concession breaks from over a century of historical norms. He's the first president to not concede an election he clearly lost in modern history. The Constitution has no rule of concession, but can we stop pretending the Constitution matters to Donald Trump and you? It's not a prop that you can use to navigate an argument when it's convenient, only to ignore it when it gets egregiously violated with regularity. There is no "rushing" of this process. The answer was and is clear. Joe Biden won, Donald Trump lost in historic fashion. Emily Murphy still is denying the lawful transition to the Biden administration, refusing to release the federal funds that coincide with the transition. The circus needs to pack up, admit defeat and move on for the sake of this country. This is not a normal transition under any rational thought process. We are in the eye of a pandemic that the current traitor in office exacerbated while deceiving the public. We are not here to protect Donald Trump's fragile ego at the expense of American lives. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 20, 2020 13:40:46 GMT -8
djhjmedia.com/rich/anomalies-in-2020-voting-statistics-prove-voter-fraud-cannot-be-denied/Isn't this the group that says we should "Follow the science"? Isn't statistical analysis a viable tool used in the Scientific Method? Consider the astronomical turn-outs in battle ground cites/states, the over performance of Biden relative to Hillary and Obama only in battle ground cities/states, the exorbitant amount of "Biden only" ballots in battle ground cities/states, etc. All are indications of potential voting fraud. But, in this case, time is the enemy of both the Trump team and the Democrats. For the Trump team, the obviousness of the fraud is there for all to see. The explanation and proof of that fraud beyond a reasonable doubt, however, takes time. But time is limited for challenges and the bad actors need only stay quiet for a short time longer and they will have succeeded. But in all conspiracies, the truth ultimately comes out over time - ala the Russia Hoax, etc. For now, the Democrats explain it away saying "our ground game was on target in the battle ground states. So Boo Hoo!" and hope to run out the clock. I get it. But a time is coming when all will be known, however, and it will end badly for the cabal (or should anyway). But of course, maybe we shouldn't follow the science?? I hear Guyana is giving out passports and citizenship. |
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Post by ptsdthor on Nov 20, 2020 13:59:44 GMT -8
djhjmedia.com/rich/anomalies-in-2020-voting-statistics-prove-voter-fraud-cannot-be-denied/Isn't this the group that says we should "Follow the science"? Isn't statistical analysis a viable tool used in the Scientific Method? Consider the astronomical turn-outs in battle ground cites/states, the over performance of Biden relative to Hillary and Obama only in battle ground cities/states, the exorbitant amount of "Biden only" ballots in battle ground cities/states, etc. All are indications of potential voting fraud. But, in this case, time is the enemy of both the Trump team and the Democrats. For the Trump team, the obviousness of the fraud is there for all to see. The explanation and proof of that fraud beyond a reasonable doubt, however, takes time. But time is limited for challenges and the bad actors need only stay quiet for a short time longer and they will have succeeded. But in all conspiracies, the truth ultimately comes out over time - ala the Russia Hoax, etc. For now, the Democrats explain it away saying "our ground game was on target in the battle ground states. So Boo Hoo!" and hope to run out the clock. I get it. But a time is coming when all will be known, however, and it will end badly for the cabal (or should anyway). But of course, maybe we shouldn't follow the science?? I hear Guyana is giving out passports and citizenship. I hear the Guyanese wont need a passport to get US citizenship come Jan 20th. Why the different treatment? |
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Post by aztecryan on Nov 20, 2020 15:20:53 GMT -8
djhjmedia.com/rich/anomalies-in-2020-voting-statistics-prove-voter-fraud-cannot-be-denied/Isn't this the group that says we should "Follow the science"? Isn't statistical analysis a viable tool used in the Scientific Method? Consider the astronomical turn-outs in battle ground cites/states, the over performance of Biden relative to Hillary and Obama only in battle ground cities/states, the exorbitant amount of "Biden only" ballots in battle ground cities/states, etc. All are indications of potential voting fraud. But, in this case, time is the enemy of both the Trump team and the Democrats. For the Trump team, the obviousness of the fraud is there for all to see. The explanation and proof of that fraud beyond a reasonable doubt, however, takes time. But time is limited for challenges and the bad actors need only stay quiet for a short time longer and they will have succeeded. But in all conspiracies, the truth ultimately comes out over time - ala the Russia Hoax, etc. For now, the Democrats explain it away saying "our ground game was on target in the battle ground states. So Boo Hoo!" and hope to run out the clock. I get it. But a time is coming when all will be known, however, and it will end badly for the cabal (or should anyway). But of course, maybe we shouldn't follow the science?? I hear Guyana is giving out passports and citizenship. You have to stop being duped. Fact checking this is simple, so be better. Claim : Astronomical turnouts in battleground cities/states....I'm not sure I would call it astronomical, but voting turnout aided BOTH sides and is not evidence of fraud of any kind. Only three counties in Michigan flipped. Only three counties in Ohio flipped. The behavior was very similar to 2016 in the battleground areas, with some slight suburban blue leanings and some rural gains for the incumbent. Claim : Biden's overperformance to his contemporaries only in battleground states. False. Biden improved his margin of victory in 31 of 36 urban counties sampled. He won in the surrounding suburbs and actually underperformed in Milwaukee, relative to Clinton. Absolutely false. www.nationalreview.com/corner/no-joe-biden-did-not-only-improve-in-four-major-swing-state-cities/Claim : Exorbitant amount of Biden-only ballots is an indication of fraud. False. It's actually a term known as undervoting, which is common in every election. The FEC tracks this on their website. As an example, 2016 saw 136+ million votes cast for president, but only 131 million cast for a member of the House. It's not an indication of fraud, it's an indication of laziness/personal choice on the behalf of voters. There is no evidence of widespread fraud anywhere. Spreading conspiracy theories that have no validity to them (and have been laughed out of court 20+ times by now) indicates you're falling for propaganda from dubious, unreliable sources. Here's one. This, again, is false. It indicates nothing fraudulent. It's common, in every election, on both sides of the spectrum. For the Trump team to not be able to prove their case, in any state, by any objective measure, indicates exactly what Trump found after 2016 : Nothing exists. |
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Post by aztecmusician on Nov 20, 2020 20:58:14 GMT -8
I knew this circus was going to take weeks to resolve itself.
No way in hell does a candidate like Biden get more votes than Obama ever did. That is asking for some serious suspension of disbelief. The Dems hacked the vote count, there is no question about it. It’s going to come down to if they covered their tracks well enough to get away with it. Of course in their minds it is completely justified, the “evil Hitler” Trump must be defeated by ANY MEANS NECESSARY in their minds, so of course they rigged things. Why not? The media will cover for them.
This will be the death of MSNBC and CNN btw, and maybe Fox. The public is going to just shut their crap off. CNN is already for sale.
The clock is ticking for the Trump legal team. We shall see if they can put together a winning case.
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Post by Section T(urn Up) on Nov 20, 2020 21:41:29 GMT -8
I knew this circus was going to take weeks to resolve itself. No way in hell does a candidate like Biden get more votes than Obama ever did. That is asking for some serious suspension of disbelief. The Dems hacked the vote count, there is no question about it. It’s going to come down to if they covered their tracks well enough to get away with it. Of course in their minds it is completely justified, the “evil Hitler” Trump must be defeated by ANY MEANS NECESSARY in their minds, so of course they rigged things. Why not? The media will cover for them. This will be the death of MSNBC and CNN btw, and maybe Fox. The public is going to just shut their crap off. CNN is already for sale. The clock is ticking for the Trump legal team. We shall see if they can put together a winning case. You’re right to suggest that Obama was an excellent candidate and, for any misgivings, quite a great President. I might suggest that Obama ran against John McCain, who is a pretty classic statesman. Biden ran against Donald Trump. There’s a pretty significant distinction there, alone. Oh, and turns out the “silent majority” is heard when you mail them a ballot. And it ain’t a bunch of conservatives. Keep up the voter suppression! Better luck next time, my man! |
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