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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2020 9:58:04 GMT -8
Finally, some good news.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2020 11:32:57 GMT -8
If they can't prove 2nd degree murder, can the jury still find him guilty of 3rd degree murder? Or is it all or nothing?
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jun 3, 2020 12:08:01 GMT -8
Good to hear. The guy should have been removed as a police officer a long time before this ever happened. Weak/corrupt prosecutors and a strong/corrupt police union allowed this to happen.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2020 12:10:52 GMT -8
Good to hear. The guy should have been removed as a police officer a long time before this ever happened. Weak/corrupt prosecutors and a strong/corrupt police union allowed this to happen. Absolutely.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2020 12:33:06 GMT -8
If they can't prove 2nd degree murder, can the jury still find him guilty of 3rd degree murder? Or is it all or nothing? They must feel pretty confident they can a conviction for 2nd degree murder. Frankly, I hope they are successful in their prosecution.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2020 12:41:02 GMT -8
If they can't prove 2nd degree murder, can the jury still find him guilty of 3rd degree murder? Or is it all or nothing? Manslaughter.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2020 12:55:09 GMT -8
If they can't prove 2nd degree murder, can the jury still find him guilty of 3rd degree murder? Or is it all or nothing? Manslaughter. Ok. Thanks. Hopefully 2nd degree.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 3, 2020 12:57:05 GMT -8
If they can't prove 2nd degree murder, can the jury still find him guilty of 3rd degree murder? Or is it all or nothing? They must feel pretty confident they can a conviction for 2nd degree murder. Frankly, I hope they are successful in their prosecution. For sure. I hope they get him for second degree. I was hoping it wasn't all or nothing and leave it the juries hands. It sounds like at the very least it would manslaughter.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2020 13:12:01 GMT -8
They must feel pretty confident they can a conviction for 2nd degree murder. Frankly, I hope they are successful in their prosecution. For sure. I hope they get him for second degree. I was hoping it wasn't all or nothing and leave it the juries hands. It sounds like at the very least it would manslaughter. I think it was a mistake to upgrade the degree, which is why he was charged with manslaughter on top of it as a fallback. Profiles very similarly to the Trayvon Martin case in the manner of the legal charges brought forward.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2020 14:34:56 GMT -8
For sure. I hope they get him for second degree. I was hoping it wasn't all or nothing and leave it the juries hands. It sounds like at the very least it would manslaughter. I think it was a mistake to upgrade the degree, which is why he was charged with manslaughter on top of it as a fallback. Profiles very similarly to the Trayvon Martin case in the manner of the legal charges brought forward. Refresh my memory--wasn't one of the original charges manslaughter?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2020 14:38:23 GMT -8
I think it was a mistake to upgrade the degree, which is why he was charged with manslaughter on top of it as a fallback. Profiles very similarly to the Trayvon Martin case in the manner of the legal charges brought forward. Refresh my memory--wasn't one of the original charges manslaughter? In tbe Martin case? Prosecution focused on 2nd degree murder charge at trial. The jury was given an option to find him guilty of manslaughter (without being told what the sentence would be, 30 years potentially) and he was acquitted.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 3, 2020 15:43:48 GMT -8
Refresh my memory--wasn't one of the original charges manslaughter? In tbe Martin case? Prosecution focused on 2nd degree murder charge at trial. The jury was given an option to find him guilty of manslaughter (without being told what the sentence would be, 30 years potentially) and he was acquitted. I'm sorry. I was referring to the George Floyd case. Weren't the original charges on the first officer 3rd degree murder and manslaughter? And are they still going for manslaughter in addition to a now 2nd degree murder charge?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2020 15:48:28 GMT -8
In tbe Martin case? Prosecution focused on 2nd degree murder charge at trial. The jury was given an option to find him guilty of manslaughter (without being told what the sentence would be, 30 years potentially) and he was acquitted. I'm sorry. I was referring to the George Floyd case. Weren't the original charges on the first officer 3rd degree murder and manslaughter? And are they still going for manslaughter in addition to a now 2nd degree murder charge? Yes, they charged with him both. Minnesota is one of only a handful of states that have a third degree murder statute. It's very similar to manslaughter, with legal jargon in the middle separating it. As far as I know, yes, the manslaughter charge is still in effect.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 3, 2020 20:01:28 GMT -8
Not Minneapolis, but Las Vegas. I guess Antifa is everywhere.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 5, 2020 7:03:00 GMT -8
So if everything I said was true, you would still support him? Yikes. And desecration doesn't come from me, it comes from the Washington Archbishop. I'm just pointing out what happened. The gassing of peaceful protesters for a picture opportunity and a propaganda video. I didn't realize this was Munich in the 1930's. What we are seeing here is the modern progressive's version of Kristallnacht against middle America and Capitalism. Just as the NAZIs used the Reichstag fire to take power, the extreme progressives and their allies in the Democrat party now are the ones using the Floyd murder as the excuse and they are now effectively in charge and they are drunk with power. You can see it. And don't they need a scape goat eh Trump voters? Link: Joe on "uniting" AmericaRight again. See here the tacit scape goating being done by Joe. Please tell us, Joe, how does one qualify to be on your list of "not very good people"? Are they the ones seemingly always involved with the underside of the law? Are they the ones wearing masks and committing crimes during protests? Somehow I doubt that was your definition. It wasn't called the "Big Lie" for nothing.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 5, 2020 8:31:25 GMT -8
What we are seeing here is the modern progressive's version of Kristallnacht against middle America and Capitalism. Just as the NAZIs used the Reichstag fire to take power, the extreme progressives and their allies in the Democrat party now are the ones using the Floyd murder as the excuse and they are now effectively in charge and they are drunk with power. You can see it. And don't they need a scape goat eh Trump voters? Link: Joe on "uniting" AmericaRight again. See here the tacit scape goating being done by Joe. Please tell us, Joe, how does one qualify to be on your list of "not very good people"? Are they the ones seemingly always involved with the underside of the law? Are they the ones wearing masks and committing crimes during protests? Somehow I doubt that was your definition. It wasn't called the "Big Lie" for nothing. Until you are willing to call this stuff out, you should stay silent.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 5, 2020 8:38:18 GMT -8
Link: Joe on "uniting" AmericaRight again. See here the tacit scape goating being done by Joe. Please tell us, Joe, how does one qualify to be on your list of "not very good people"? Are they the ones seemingly always involved with the underside of the law? Are they the ones wearing masks and committing crimes during protests? Somehow I doubt that was your definition. It wasn't called the "Big Lie" for nothing. Until you are willing to call this stuff out, you should stay silent. It did not play. Probably already on the Book Burning pile.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 5, 2020 8:44:00 GMT -8
Just more callousness, lunacy and cluelessness.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 5, 2020 8:56:25 GMT -8
Just more callousness, lunacy and cluelessness. In the current state of agitation, there is nothing that Trump can say that the left would condone. The link to police brutatlity in Minneapolis and Trump is a farce but useful idiots will never relent now. Facts are not allowed to get into the way. Link: Systemic RacismAnd Joe, still waiting to hear how someone gets onto your list....
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 5, 2020 8:59:03 GMT -8
Just more callousness, lunacy and cluelessness. In the current state of agitation, there is nothing that Trump can say that the left would condone. The link to police brutatlity in Minneapolis and Trump is a farce but useful idiots will never relent now. Facts are not allowed to get into the way. Link: Systemic RacismExcuses, excuses, excuses. He was asked point blank how he would tackle the issue of police reform and the African American community. He responded with "a strong economy." He's a disaster.
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