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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 0:02:06 GMT -8
Lol at thinking Marco Rubio is credible. Just one question : Is there anything Donald Trump could do to make you step off the ledge? If so, what? Genuinely curious because most sensible people at this point are outraged. Check in with you tomorrow. Ttyl Wonder if this priest hates the president as well.
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Post by aztecmusician on Jun 2, 2020 1:18:09 GMT -8
I hope facial recognition technology and cellphone tracking helps collar and prosecute these looters.
This is not acceptable, law and order must be restored immediately.
Just stay at home and don’t loot or pick fights with the police.
That’s all.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 3:50:15 GMT -8
I hope facial recognition technology and cellphone tracking helps collar and prosecute these looters. This is not acceptable, law and order must be restored immediately. Just stay at home and don’t loot or pick fights with the police. That’s all. Police in Louisville shot and killed an unarmed black man just two days ago. The chief of police was fired. All the bodycams were turned off, per the mayor. All of them. The police need to be held accountable. Some of the incidents that have taken place across America are horrific.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2020 4:58:08 GMT -8
So the left strains at the gnat of mere "perceptions" given off by Trump as seen through biased lenses and swallows the camel. That being the failure of Democrat run state and local government's ability to keep their citizen safe.
Democrats everywhere, knowing that their inability to provide safety from the anarchists at the local and state level is going to be a problem for them in the fall, will soon be saying "if you just give us (who politically represent most of the anarchists by the way) full control of the levers of the national government, everything will be just fine. Trust me."
And if you believe that, there is some land in Florida that I would like to sell you.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2020 5:28:41 GMT -8
Oh ok. Where did you hear that? From Dana Boente? The military used tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbang grenades on innocent civilians, practicing their First Amendment rights in a lawful protest, before a curfew, peacefully. They were fired upon so the president could take a picture. Nothing else is important beyond that. No. I'm sure the people were first lawfully told to disperse from the area. Protection of the President is lawful, curfew or not. To disobey a lawful order in protest is their choice and they no longer become entirely "innocent". Yes, it is within the American spirit to defy authority in protest but the expectation to suffer no consequences for their action is not reasonable. So again, would you rather have your government spy upon you and take away your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights while being entirely innocent (see Carter Page and the Obama admin) or would you rather have Secret Service Agents give you a chance to get out of an area before they make you get out of an area (while knowing that if you refuse to leave then you are no longer entirely "innocent")?
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 6:16:08 GMT -8
The military used tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbang grenades on innocent civilians, practicing their First Amendment rights in a lawful protest, before a curfew, peacefully. They were fired upon so the president could take a picture. Nothing else is important beyond that. No. I'm sure the people were first lawfully told to disperse from the area. Protection of the President is lawful, curfew or not. To disobey a lawful order in protest is their choice and they no longer become entirely "innocent". Yes, it is within the American spirit to defy authority in protest but the expectation to suffer no consequences for their action is not reasonable. So again, would you rather have your government spy upon you and take away your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights while being entirely innocent (see Carter Page and the Obama admin) or would you rather have Secret Service Agents give you a chance to get out of an area before they make you get out of an area (while knowing that if you refuse to leave then you are no longer entirely "innocent")? You're rationalizing violence. Full stop.
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2020 6:28:45 GMT -8
No. I'm sure the people were first lawfully told to disperse from the area. Protection of the President is lawful, curfew or not. To disobey a lawful order in protest is their choice and they no longer become entirely "innocent". Yes, it is within the American spirit to defy authority in protest but the expectation to suffer no consequences for their action is not reasonable. So again, would you rather have your government spy upon you and take away your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights while being entirely innocent (see Carter Page and the Obama admin) or would you rather have Secret Service Agents give you a chance to get out of an area before they make you get out of an area (while knowing that if you refuse to leave then you are no longer entirely "innocent")? You're rationalizing violence. Full stop. A simple question. Full stop.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2020 6:32:24 GMT -8
The military used tear gas, rubber bullets and flashbang grenades on innocent civilians, practicing their First Amendment rights in a lawful protest, before a curfew, peacefully. They were fired upon so the president could take a picture. Nothing else is important beyond that. No. I'm sure the people were first lawfully told to disperse from the area. Protection of the President is lawful, curfew or not. To disobey a lawful order in protest is their choice and they no longer become entirely "innocent". Yes, it is within the American spirit to defy authority in protest but the expectation to suffer no consequences for their action is not reasonable. So again, would you rather have your government spy upon you and take away your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights while being entirely innocent (see Carter Page and the Obama admin) or would you rather have Secret Service Agents give you a chance to get out of an area before they make you get out of an area (while knowing that if you refuse to leave then you are no longer entirely "innocent")? There were definitely agitators in the front lines of those crowds, egging it on. They wanted them to retaliate so a story lime this would come out. The media got sucked right in, gladly, of course.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 6:39:29 GMT -8
No. I'm sure the people were first lawfully told to disperse from the area. Protection of the President is lawful, curfew or not. To disobey a lawful order in protest is their choice and they no longer become entirely "innocent". Yes, it is within the American spirit to defy authority in protest but the expectation to suffer no consequences for their action is not reasonable. So again, would you rather have your government spy upon you and take away your 4th and 5th Ammendment rights while being entirely innocent (see Carter Page and the Obama admin) or would you rather have Secret Service Agents give you a chance to get out of an area before they make you get out of an area (while knowing that if you refuse to leave then you are no longer entirely "innocent")? There were definitely agitators in the front lines of those crowds, egging it on. They wanted them to retaliate so a story lime this would come out. The media got sucked right in, gladly, of course. Nope. Keep blaming the media though, John. I was watching a livestream with zero commentary of the event as it happened. Absolutely disgusting. Guess you didn't figure it out overnight, obviously. I posted Fox News for a reason. Stop with this BS obsession of the media, open your eyes and realize that Donald Trump is a completely corrupt human being, a pathetic excuse for a man and a narcissist. He's once again trying to circumvent law to bring in the military on U.S. soil. But he can do no wrong because....economic numbers that don't matter anymore and he's "non-PC"....Cringe.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2020 6:39:54 GMT -8
Check in with you tomorrow. Ttyl Wonder if this priest hates the president as well. Dislike for sure. I won't say a Priest HATES anybody. He CHOSE to say that the President used the bible as a prop, and everybody says we have the greatest country in the world for many reasons, so that's ridiculous, and on and on and on. A Priest can absolutely be biased and his quotes show so.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 6:49:38 GMT -8
Wonder if this priest hates the president as well. Dislike for sure. I won't say a Priest HATES anybody. He CHOSE to say that the President used the bible as a prop, and everybody says we have the greatest country in the world for many reasons, so that's ridiculous, and on and on and on. A Priest can absolutely be biased and his quotes show so. The only person who is claiming this wasn't a PR stunt is you. Stop and think why that may be for a second, perhaps. When you're on an island, it's usually not because you're on the right side. Your head is so far into the abyss of Donald Trump that you're openly okay with forcibly removing clergy from their own property so the president could hold "a Bible" and pretend to be a Christian. I'll ask again, one last time. Is there anything Donald Trump could do that you cannot simply ignore, rationalize and deny....and it would actually make you condemn a man not worth glorifying? Anything at all?
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2020 7:00:17 GMT -8
So Trump is admittedly and absolutely not responsible for the two minority officers abusing the two minorities in Atlanta over the weekend. How come? Because he had nothing to do with it. Liberals control the city of Minneapolis and the state Minnesota. The policeman's Police Chief was likely a liberal and they were responsible for police training on that force. But now the left is breaking their arms trying to have you believe that Trump is somehow miraculously culpable for the actions of a white policeman in Liberal controlled Minneapolis but, worse yet, he is somehow miraculously responsible for the coordinated actions of anarchists across the country. The intelectual dishonesty is obvious as their political agenda is exposed. They don't care how blatant and illogical it all is because TDS demands no less. True believers lap up the pablum fed to them. And regurgitate it pretty well too. You can see it on social media from the true belivers. It is Trump wall to wall. I told you before that is where this will go the day it started. Bizarro land!
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Post by uwphoto on Jun 2, 2020 7:01:22 GMT -8
Dislike for sure. I won't say a Priest HATES anybody. He CHOSE to say that the President used the bible as a prop, and everybody says we have the greatest country in the world for many reasons, so that's ridiculous, and on and on and on. A Priest can absolutely be biased and his quotes show so. The only person who is claiming this wasn't a PR stunt is you. Stop and think why that may be for a second, perhaps. When you're on an island, it's usually not because you're on the right side. Your head is so far into the abyss of Donald Trump that you're openly okay with forcibly removing clergy from their own property so the president could hold "a Bible" and pretend to be a Christian. I'll ask again, one last time. Is there anything Donald Trump could do that you cannot simply ignore, rationalize and deny....and it would actually make you condemn a man not worth glorifying? Anything at all? Ryan,I think you know the answer to this. DT has so polarized the electorate that even giving an inch on this subject is equal to defeat...or worse. Trump knew this from the beginning, which is the origin of the "shoot someone on 5th Avenue" quote. Of course I am polarized to the extent that I would celebrate if he had an aneurysm. So I guess I am in the same boat. However, my line in the sand is the environment, and this administration is the worst for the environment in my 66 years, so there you go.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 7:04:25 GMT -8
The only person who is claiming this wasn't a PR stunt is you. Stop and think why that may be for a second, perhaps. When you're on an island, it's usually not because you're on the right side. Your head is so far into the abyss of Donald Trump that you're openly okay with forcibly removing clergy from their own property so the president could hold "a Bible" and pretend to be a Christian. I'll ask again, one last time. Is there anything Donald Trump could do that you cannot simply ignore, rationalize and deny....and it would actually make you condemn a man not worth glorifying? Anything at all? Ryan,I think you know the answer to this. DT has so polarized the electorate that even giving an inch on this subject is equal to defeat...or worse. Trump knew this from the beginning, which is the origin of the "shoot someone on 5th Avenue" quote. Of course I am polarized to the extent that I would celebrate if he had an aneurysm. So I guess I am in the same boat. However, my line in the sand is the environment, and this administration is the worst for the environment in my 66 years, so there you go. My line in the sand gets reinforced every day. Take your pick. There is a fascist in the White House.
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Post by 84aztec96 on Jun 2, 2020 7:12:18 GMT -8
Please bear with me on this. I was born during WWII, but of course was too young to remember it (except when my younger brother was born in 1945). Since then I have lived during (and remember) the following: * The Korean War. * The Cold War. * The first Kennedy assassination (the four darkest days of my live, at least until now). * The 1965 Watts riots (I was a UCLA grad student then). * The 1967 Detroit riots. * The MLK assassination. * The second Kennedy assassination. * The Vietnam War. * The disturbing violence of the 1968 Dem. convention * The resignation of Pres. Nixon. * The 1992 LA riots. * The disputed 2000 election. * The Middle East wars. * Various economic recessions, a number of which were VERY bad. * The impeachment of Pres. Trump. * Plus other serious blows to the stability of this country that I can't recall right now. In other words, I've lived during some pretty bad challenges to the U.S.A. I fear I may be forced to conclude that the situation unfolding now across the country is the worst I've seen. At least the worst since the JFK assassination. What I fear most is the possibility that a very large portion of our population has soured on the very concept that was the essence of this country's founding. For me, that includes the notion of a limited government that guarantees the individual rights of all citizens. We hear a lot of discussion (mostly negative) about what is meant by American exceptionalism. That can mean many things to many people. I think it's not principally a matter of how much territory we hold, how many Nobel Prizes our people have won, or how powerful our military is. Those are not trivial factors, to be sure. Instead, what is truly important is the belief that a government must recognize and defend individual rights. That's why the Founders created the U.S. Constitution, a document that tells the government that it powers are limited and can only be expanded by a vote of the people. Well, that's the idea. I'm afraid that lately the government has become more and more powerful without asking permission, but that issue can be discussed later. What is important now is to decide whether we can tolerate, for whatever reason or reasons, growing anarchy. When mobs get out of control, there is no telling where things will end up. Let me suggest an important question. And I address this to everyone, but especially to members of minorities (which I guess means everyone who is not of European heritage). Question: If you condemn this country as it now stands, which other country would you prefer to live in? Seriously, is there, in your opinion, a country that would be better to live in than the U.S.A.? This is a real question. I do think that some people might believe that some other country would be preferable. Fortunately, we allow people to stay here to emigrate as they see fit. America is a flawed nation. But so are all nations. The good thing about America is that, unlike almost all countries throughout the history of civilization, individual human rights are guaranteed. Guaranteed in writing (the Constitution), though of course not always in practice. Anyway, I did not start out to write a thesis. I do worry about how long we can keep this republic going. I would say that there is a limit as to how many major cities can be burned without unraveling our whole society. I will lock this thread sometime on Monday. It's probably gone on too long, with too many posters hurling insults at each other. WLR Just wanted to bump your post. I haven't seen anyone respond to it. (Except me, just to say many of the looters are "European") Which goes to show, the ideas are what matter, not the skin color or national origin. Unfortunately, the "Howard Zinn" view of America has become the norm in higher education for a while, and now we are seeing those taught as such in places of power. It's depressing. As I said somewhere before, if people had a realist view of human nature, world history, understanding of early civilization, the rise of western civilization and the concepts that helped form this nation, there would be greater appreciation. Some of the things I see and hear against America are like that bugs bunny cartoon where bugs is stuffing his face full of food saying this stuff is terrible and complaining about it....
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Post by ptsdthor on Jun 2, 2020 7:12:24 GMT -8
So Trump is admittedly and absolutely not responsible for the two minority officers abusing the two minorities in Atlanta over the weekend. How come? Because he had nothing to do with it. Liberals control the city of Minneapolis and the state Minnesota. The policeman's Police Chief was likely a liberal and they were responsible for police training on that force. But now the left is breaking their arms trying to have you believe that Trump is somehow miraculously culpable for the actions of a white policeman in Liberal controlled Minneapolis but, worse yet, he is somehow miraculously responsible for the coordinated actions of anarchists across the country. The intelectual dishonesty is obvious as their political agenda is exposed. They don't care how blatant and illogical it all is because TDS demands no less. True believers lap up the pablum fed to them. And regurgitate it pretty well too. You can see it on social media from the true belivers. It is Trump wall to wall. I told you before that is where this will go the day it started. Bizarro land! ttt
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2020 7:23:36 GMT -8
Dislike for sure. I won't say a Priest HATES anybody. He CHOSE to say that the President used the bible as a prop, and everybody says we have the greatest country in the world for many reasons, so that's ridiculous, and on and on and on. A Priest can absolutely be biased and his quotes show so. The only person who is claiming this wasn't a PR stunt is you. Stop and think why that may be for a second, perhaps. When you're on an island, it's usually not because you're on the right side. Your head is so far into the abyss of Donald Trump that you're openly okay with forcibly removing clergy from their own property so the president could hold "a Bible" and pretend to be a Christian. I'll ask again, one last time. Is there anything Donald Trump could do that you cannot simply ignore, rationalize and deny....and it would actually make you condemn a man not worth glorifying? Anything at all? Ryan, I saw on the news, pastors also saying that they thought it was a good thing what he did, to stand in solidarity with the church that was just burned down with a bible. We can go back and forth with you finding people that aren't fans of Trump who will compare him to Hitler, etc, and I can find people who will support him and refute the Dems/leftists twisted claims. I've already said that I don't like some things that he says and I wish he wouldn't use twitter so much as a quick reaction, etc....
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2020 7:27:17 GMT -8
Dislike for sure. I won't say a Priest HATES anybody. He CHOSE to say that the President used the bible as a prop, and everybody says we have the greatest country in the world for many reasons, so that's ridiculous, and on and on and on. A Priest can absolutely be biased and his quotes show so. The only person who is claiming this wasn't a PR stunt is you. Stop and think why that may be for a second, perhaps. When you're on an island, it's usually not because you're on the right side. Your head is so far into the abyss of Donald Trump that you're openly okay with forcibly removing clergy from their own property so the president could hold "a Bible" and pretend to be a Christian. I'll ask again, one last time. Is there anything Donald Trump could do that you cannot simply ignore, rationalize and deny....and it would actually make you condemn a man not worth glorifying? Anything at all? Maybe myself at the moment along with a few others that are on this particular site are the ones saying that it wasn't a publicity stunt, but in the world of course you're wrong. I definitely admire your passion and agree with you on some things, but we just see things differently.
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Post by aztecryan on Jun 2, 2020 7:30:50 GMT -8
The only person who is claiming this wasn't a PR stunt is you. Stop and think why that may be for a second, perhaps. When you're on an island, it's usually not because you're on the right side. Your head is so far into the abyss of Donald Trump that you're openly okay with forcibly removing clergy from their own property so the president could hold "a Bible" and pretend to be a Christian. I'll ask again, one last time. Is there anything Donald Trump could do that you cannot simply ignore, rationalize and deny....and it would actually make you condemn a man not worth glorifying? Anything at all? Ryan, I saw on the news, pastors also saying that they thought it was a good thing what he did, to stand in solidarity with the church that was just burned down with a bible. We can go back and forth with you finding people that aren't fans of Trump who will compare him to Hitler, etc, and I can find people who will support him and refute the Dems/leftists twisted claims. I've already said that I don't like some things that he says and I wish he wouldn't use twitter so much as a quick reaction, etc.... Absolutely revolting.
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Post by johneaztec on Jun 2, 2020 7:40:05 GMT -8
Ryan, I saw on the news, pastors also saying that they thought it was a good thing what he did, to stand in solidarity with the church that was just burned down with a bible. We can go back and forth with you finding people that aren't fans of Trump who will compare him to Hitler, etc, and I can find people who will support him and refute the Dems/leftists twisted claims. I've already said that I don't like some things that he says and I wish he wouldn't use twitter so much as a quick reaction, etc.... Absolutely revolting. What's revolting is that anybody that doesn't adhere to your views, you say is revolting. Off to work for now.
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