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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 9:02:52 GMT -8
Just in the last few hours...
Seriously troubling behavior, with the last tweet on testing being an outright lie. What a nightmare this country faces.
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 13:32:38 GMT -8
And it's barely 2:30.
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 15:17:30 GMT -8
Are you saying that it's irresponsible for the President to mention this? Maybe so, but you still have to go thru your doctor to get a prescription for it, and I doubt a doctor would give it to you if you shouldn't take it. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 15:23:08 GMT -8
Are you saying that it's irresponsible for the President to mention this? Maybe so, but you still have to go thru your doctor to get a prescription for it, and I doubt a doctor would give it to you if you shouldn't take it. Irresponsible? It's 25th Amendment level material. The president of the United States taking a drug that has zero preventative efficiency against a virus? A drug with known complications that include heart damage and other side effects? He's either lying, which is almost as dangerous, positive for COVID-19 (which isn't impossible, but the American public deserves to know) or he's self-medicating, which means he's unfit for office. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 15:33:06 GMT -8
Are you saying that it's irresponsible for the President to mention this? Maybe so, but you still have to go thru your doctor to get a prescription for it, and I doubt a doctor would give it to you if you shouldn't take it. Irresponsible? It's 25th Amendment level material. The president of the United States taking a drug that has zero preventative efficiency against a virus? A drug with known complications that include heart damage and other side effects? He's either lying, which is almost as dangerous, positive for COVID-19 (which isn't impossible, but the American public deserves to know) or he's self-medicating, which means he's unfit for office. That's a little dramatic, but expected from someone who doesn't like him personally, etc.... I get it. The drug has been said to be able to potentially prevent you from getting the virus, as well as ease the symptoms, etc.... I get it that that's not the consensus, but Trump is very transparent and a lot of people like that. I've heard many doctors, Dr. Oz for one amongst many others, that are basically pissed that it's not being used more often. They've said it's been used forever and the trial period has been done, with evidence, a LONG time ago. Again, you have to go thru your doctor to get the prescription. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but of course the media, etc, will hype it up. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 15:35:44 GMT -8
Irresponsible? It's 25th Amendment level material. The president of the United States taking a drug that has zero preventative efficiency against a virus? A drug with known complications that include heart damage and other side effects? He's either lying, which is almost as dangerous, positive for COVID-19 (which isn't impossible, but the American public deserves to know) or he's self-medicating, which means he's unfit for office. That's a little dramatic, but expected from someone who doesn't like him personally, etc.... I get it. The drug has been said to be able to potentially prevent you from getting the virus, as well as ease the symptoms, etc.... I get it that that's not the consensus, but Trump is very transparent and a lot of people like that. I've heard many doctors, Dr. Oz for one amongst many others, that are basically pissed that it's not being used more often. They've said it's been used forever and the trial period has been done, with evidence, a LONG time ago. Again, you have to go thru your doctor to get the prescription. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but of course the media, etc, will hype it up. And there goes your credibility. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 16:05:19 GMT -8
That's a little dramatic, but expected from someone who doesn't like him personally, etc.... I get it. The drug has been said to be able to potentially prevent you from getting the virus, as well as ease the symptoms, etc.... I get it that that's not the consensus, but Trump is very transparent and a lot of people like that. I've heard many doctors, Dr. Oz for one amongst many others, that are basically pissed that it's not being used more often. They've said it's been used forever and the trial period has been done, with evidence, a LONG time ago. Again, you have to go thru your doctor to get the prescription. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but of course the media, etc, will hype it up. And there goes your credibility. I understand you saying this and the other half who don't like Trump, but at the same time there's a heck of a lot of people that will agree with me, professionals and laymen. The fact is that there's compelling evidence for it, but you need to ask your doctor if it's right for you. Simple. We all know that the Trump haters are going to jump on everything he says that they view as controversial. Trump may be a jerk at times, but he's a jerk (at times) who gets things done. People voted for him in the last election because even though a lot of people didn't like him, they felt that he would get things done and make a change to America first, more so than Hillary. I think it was something like 84 percent felt that he would change America for the better and get things done, opposed to Hillary's 14 percent. That's how he got elected. And, he did make a good change and helped America in many key areas, and that's why I believe he'll get reelected again, especially against Biden, sheesh. But, you never know. I know you'll say that you want to talk about this covid 19 issue, but I think people will understand that the pandemic wasn't his fault and there was a lot of misinformation in the beginning, and realize that China's cover-up had a lot to do with it. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 16:14:07 GMT -8
That's a little dramatic, but expected from someone who doesn't like him personally, etc.... I get it. The drug has been said to be able to potentially prevent you from getting the virus, as well as ease the symptoms, etc.... I get it that that's not the consensus, but Trump is very transparent and a lot of people like that. I've heard many doctors, Dr. Oz for one amongst many others, that are basically pissed that it's not being used more often. They've said it's been used forever and the trial period has been done, with evidence, a LONG time ago. Again, you have to go thru your doctor to get the prescription. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but of course the media, etc, will hype it up. And there goes your credibility. Let's get something straight AGAIN : You can't explain away actual information with "Well, you don't like him, so your argument doesn't have merit." No. Not the way this works, no deflection is going to buoy the ridiculousness of your original stance. Period. You referenced Doctor freaking OZ. I mean, that's hilarious in itself. A TV doctor with zero credibility on this particular topic. There are so many mistruths in your argument, it's almost not worth the effort. But just so you are aware : There is zero, zero, zero preventative purpose behind hydroxychloroquine. It's an antimalarial drug, with NO clinical efficacy against COVID-19. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 16:43:58 GMT -8
And there goes your credibility. Let's get something straight AGAIN : You can't explain away actual information with "Well, you don't like him, so your argument doesn't have merit." No. Not the way this works, no deflection is going to buoy the ridiculousness of your original stance. Period. You referenced Doctor freaking OZ. I mean, that's hilarious in itself. A TV doctor with zero credibility on this particular topic. There are so many mistruths in your argument, it's almost not worth the effort. But just so you are aware : There is zero, zero, zero preventative purpose behind hydroxychloroquine. It's an antimalarial drug, with NO clinical efficacy against COVID-19. In my last post I said that there's credible doctors that swear by it and of course you need to be cautious, and there's those that say don't use it. Doctor Oz has his own opinion, but he also quotes many doctors that are very experienced in the drug that swear by it and have had their patients come up with great results. I absolutely know that there is no preventitive proof of it, but many doctors are prescribing it and many doctors absolutely believe in it. I never said that there is proof in it. People can judge for themselves and ask their doctors about it. That's all I'm saying and so are many others. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 16:51:29 GMT -8
Let's get something straight AGAIN : You can't explain away actual information with "Well, you don't like him, so your argument doesn't have merit." No. Not the way this works, no deflection is going to buoy the ridiculousness of your original stance. Period. You referenced Doctor freaking OZ. I mean, that's hilarious in itself. A TV doctor with zero credibility on this particular topic. There are so many mistruths in your argument, it's almost not worth the effort. But just so you are aware : There is zero, zero, zero preventative purpose behind hydroxychloroquine. It's an antimalarial drug, with NO clinical efficacy against COVID-19. In my last post I said that there's credible doctors that swear by it and of course you need to be cautious, and there's those that say don't use it. Doctor Oz has his own opinion, but he also quotes many doctors that are very experienced in the drug that swear by it and have had their patients come up with great results. I absolutely know that there is no preventitive proof of it, but many doctors are prescribing it and many doctors absolutely believe in it. I never said that there is proof in it. People can judge for themselves and ask their doctors about it. That's all I'm saying and so are many others. As your argument unravels....So there is no preventative proof of it. Why is the president taking it then? He's either lying, positive for the virus or he's taking an unproven drug. Not alarming to you in the slightest? A drug with side effects that include hallucinations and psychosis. What credible doctors swear by it? The FDA and the National Institute for Healtb both strongly advise against implementing it. No red flags there? Anecdotal evidence is NOT scientific, not medicine, not reality. You keep saying you want to hear both sides, but you have no real interest in the truth. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 17:11:28 GMT -8
In my last post I said that there's credible doctors that swear by it and of course you need to be cautious, and there's those that say don't use it. Doctor Oz has his own opinion, but he also quotes many doctors that are very experienced in the drug that swear by it and have had their patients come up with great results. I absolutely know that there is no preventitive proof of it, but many doctors are prescribing it and many doctors absolutely believe in it. I never said that there is proof in it. People can judge for themselves and ask their doctors about it. That's all I'm saying and so are many others. As your argument unravels....So there is no preventative proof of it. Why is the president taking it then? He's either lying, positive for the virus or he's taking an unproven drug. Not alarming to you in the slightest? A drug with side effects that include hallucinations and psychosis. What credible doctors swear by it? The FDA and the National Institute for Healtb both strongly advise against implementing it. No red flags there? Anecdotal evidence is NOT scientific, not medicine, not reality. You keep saying you want to hear both sides, but you have no real interest in the truth. He's taking it, and I've seen quotes from doctors that say he's smart for taking it since some around him have it, because it's possible that it can help prevent him from getting it according to actual doctors. In his case, apparently his doctor said that it wouldn't hurt him to take it, or try it so that's what he decided to do. That's why I initially said that your previous post is dramatic like a few others I've seen around tbe world about him saying that he's taking it. He's obviously gone about it responsibly and you would hope that others would as well, especially since you have to have a prescription and get advice from a real doctor. Also, some doctors say they have the proof by years and years of giving the drug to people that are ok to take it, with NO issues. I hear both sides on this and like just about all the other issues concerning the President, it's split. I think there's far too many that will run with the idea that he's doing a bad job or he screwed up here, without looking at both sides like you claim I don't or won't, just because they don't like the person. That's what I call irresponsible. |
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 17:35:10 GMT -8
As your argument unravels....So there is no preventative proof of it. Why is the president taking it then? He's either lying, positive for the virus or he's taking an unproven drug. Not alarming to you in the slightest? A drug with side effects that include hallucinations and psychosis. What credible doctors swear by it? The FDA and the National Institute for Healtb both strongly advise against implementing it. No red flags there? Anecdotal evidence is NOT scientific, not medicine, not reality. You keep saying you want to hear both sides, but you have no real interest in the truth. He's taking it, and I've seen quotes from doctors that say he's smart for taking it since some around him have it, because it's possible that it can help prevent him from getting it according to actual doctors. In his case, apparently his doctor said that it wouldn't hurt him to take it, or try it so that's what he decided to do. That's why I initially said that your previous post is dramatic like a few others I've seen around tbe world about him saying that he's taking it. He's obviously gone about it responsibly and you would hope that others would as well, especially since you have to have a prescription and get advice from a real doctor. Also, some doctors say they have the proof by years and years of giving the drug to people that are ok to take it, with NO issues. I hear both sides on this and like just about all the other issues concerning the President, it's split. I think there's far too many that will run with the idea that he's doing a bad job or he screwed up here, without looking at both sides like you claim I don't or won't, just because they don't like the person. That's what I call irresponsible. Deflection, deflection, deflection. You can't point to anything factual. You've seen quotes from doctors? Please, share them. I would love to see that. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 17:44:51 GMT -8
He's taking it, and I've seen quotes from doctors that say he's smart for taking it since some around him have it, because it's possible that it can help prevent him from getting it according to actual doctors. In his case, apparently his doctor said that it wouldn't hurt him to take it, or try it so that's what he decided to do. That's why I initially said that your previous post is dramatic like a few others I've seen around tbe world about him saying that he's taking it. He's obviously gone about it responsibly and you would hope that others would as well, especially since you have to have a prescription and get advice from a real doctor. Also, some doctors say they have the proof by years and years of giving the drug to people that are ok to take it, with NO issues. I hear both sides on this and like just about all the other issues concerning the President, it's split. I think there's far too many that will run with the idea that he's doing a bad job or he screwed up here, without looking at both sides like you claim I don't or won't, just because they don't like the person. That's what I call irresponsible. Deflection, deflection, deflection. You can't point to anything factual. You've seen quotes from doctors? Please, share them. I would love to see that. I've noticed that when someone brings up facts or thoughts you can't or don't want to believe, you call it deflection. That doesn't look good on you. I actually have never shared anything on this site and I'm not real computer savvy, but I can give you the names of the doctors that I've found that say it's smart or ok for him to take it provided he's a good candidate for it. Also, are you saying that NO ONE should ask their doctor about hydoxychloroquine, to see if it wouldn't hurt to try it? |
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 17:50:47 GMT -8
Deflection, deflection, deflection. You can't point to anything factual. You've seen quotes from doctors? Please, share them. I would love to see that. I've noticed that when someone brings up facts or thoughts you can't or don't want to believe, you call it deflection. That doesn't look good on you. I actually have never shared anything on this site and I'm not real computer savvy, but I can give you the names of the doctors that I've found that say it's smart or ok for him to take it provided he's a good candidate for it. Also, are you saying that NO ONE should ask their doctor about hydoxychloroquine, to see if it wouldn't hurt to try it? You haven't brought up anything factual in this argument. Saying you've seen something doesn't make it factual, it makes it anecdotal until you can document it. And I'm citing deflection because you keep going off on tangents about people not liking the president, which has zero to do with my specific argument. Here is an actual factual documentation of doctors saying the exact opposite of what you claim. www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-what-do-the-clinical-trials-tell-us/Asking a doctor is a completely separate issue that has zero to do with the prdsident. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 18:03:45 GMT -8
I've noticed that when someone brings up facts or thoughts you can't or don't want to believe, you call it deflection. That doesn't look good on you. I actually have never shared anything on this site and I'm not real computer savvy, but I can give you the names of the doctors that I've found that say it's smart or ok for him to take it provided he's a good candidate for it. Also, are you saying that NO ONE should ask their doctor about hydoxychloroquine, to see if it wouldn't hurt to try it? You haven't brought up anything factual in this argument. Saying you've seen something doesn't make it factual, it makes it anecdotal until you can document it. And I'm citing deflection because you keep going off on tangents about people not liking the president, which has zero to do with my specific argument. Here is an actual factual documentation of doctors saying the exact opposite of what you claim. www.cebm.net/covid-19/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-what-do-the-clinical-trials-tell-us/Asking a doctor is a completely separate issue that has zero to do with the prdsident. I'm basing it on on patients claiming that it helped them and the doctors that prescribe it because they believe in it. The bottom line is that if someone wants to try it because their doctor says it wouldn't hurt to try it, and that particular doctor has seen evidence that it helped, why not? That's why I'm saying it's getting blown out of proportion that Trump said he's using it. He's heard from too many people and doctors that say it wouldn't hurt and it may actually help because they've witnessed it. |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 18:05:46 GMT -8
I'm done with this particular subject, because it's ridiculous to argue or debate over someone's personal choice.
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 18:09:31 GMT -8
I'm done with this particular subject, because it's ridiculous to argue or debate over someone's personal choice. When you can't argue in good faith, it shows. You're regurgitating propaganda. When that person is the leader of the free world potentially engaging in dangerous activities that can put the country at risk, yes you can debate that. What happened to those doctors? Show me one who says it's safe to treat as a prophylactic. They do not exist. |
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Post by ramrodd23 on May 18, 2020 18:35:17 GMT -8
Irresponsible? It's 25th Amendment level material. The president of the United States taking a drug that has zero preventative efficiency against a virus? A drug with known complications that include heart damage and other side effects? He's either lying, which is almost as dangerous, positive for COVID-19 (which isn't impossible, but the American public deserves to know) or he's self-medicating, which means he's unfit for office. That's a little dramatic, but expected from someone who doesn't like him personally, etc.... I get it. The drug has been said to be able to potentially prevent you from getting the virus, as well as ease the symptoms, etc.... I get it that that's not the consensus, but Trump is very transparent and a lot of people like that. I've heard many doctors, Dr. Oz for one amongst many others, that are basically pissed that it's not being used more often. They've said it's been used forever and the trial period has been done, with evidence, a LONG time ago. Again, you have to go thru your doctor to get the prescription. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but of course the media, etc, will hype it up. Covid-19: VA Study Points to Increased Mortality with Hydroxychloroquine www.google.com/amp/s/www.physiciansweekly.com/covid-19-va-study-points-to-increased-mortality-with-hydroxychloroquine/amp/Covid-19: Brazil Study Shows High-Dose Choloquine Linked to More Deaths www.google.com/amp/s/www.physiciansweekly.com/covid-19-brazil-study-shows-high-dose-choloquine-linked-to-more-deaths/amp/FDA cautions against use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 outside of the hospital setting or a clinical trial due to risk of heart rhythm problems www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or |
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Post by johneaztec on May 18, 2020 20:04:42 GMT -8
I'm done with this particular subject, because it's ridiculous to argue or debate over someone's personal choice.
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Post by aztecryan on May 18, 2020 20:08:06 GMT -8
I'm done with this particular subject, because it's ridiculous to argue or debate over someone's personal choice. You could just say you were wrong. It would be easier. |
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