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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 14:24:41 GMT -8
Yeah, I think you missed the (maybe too subtle?) underlying rhetorical nature of my question. I'm no dummy, of course I can fact check. My point is that people throw the term "The Media" out there, and as has been by Alumtec, there really are no unbiased news sources. Depends on what you characterize media as. Is this answer kind of like it depends on what the definition of is is? 🤔
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2020 14:34:03 GMT -8
Depends on what you characterize media as. Is this answer kind of like it depends on what the definition of is is? 🤔 No. I consider anyone doing reporting of data for this situation to be "media." Epidemiologists, virologists, immunologists, infectious disease experts, others on the medical side reporting situations without an active agenda like OANN, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC and other outlets. C-Span is just airing the president's press conferences without commentary for those who care to listen to that.
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Post by biotec on Apr 3, 2020 14:34:33 GMT -8
couldashoulda - it's really difficult to get an unbiased news source. IMO, the main thing is to try to catch news from a bunch of different sources: one night watch NBC, one night watch Fox News, one night watch BBC - and you're just going to have to synthesize what you've seen and heard from the difference sources. I also like to occasionally go to aljazeera.com to try to get some sort of outside vantage point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 14:39:47 GMT -8
Is this answer kind of like it depends on what the definition of is is? 🤔 No. I consider anyone doing reporting of data for this situation to be "media." Epidemiologists, virologists, immunologists, infectious disease experts, others on the medical side reporting situations without an active agenda like OANN, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC and other outlets. C-Span is just airing the president's press conferences without commentary for those who care to listen to that. Currently watching. As I do every day. And I'm watching C-Span.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2020 14:40:44 GMT -8
No. I consider anyone doing reporting of data for this situation to be "media." Epidemiologists, virologists, immunologists, infectious disease experts, others on the medical side reporting situations without an active agenda like OANN, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC and other outlets. C-Span is just airing the president's press conferences without commentary for those who care to listen to that. Currently watching. As I do every day. Then you know that unbiased media exists, since there's no commentary. Mystery solved. I tried, but the federal stockpile lie was enough. States are competing for resources, which is an unmitigated disaster and why you see such little testing going on in certain parts of the country. Without nationalizing the supply chain, good luck returning to normal.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 14:43:45 GMT -8
Currently watching. As I do every day. Then you know that unbiased media exists, since there's no commentary. Mystery solved. I tried, but the federal stockpile lie was enough. States are competing for resources, which is an unmitigated disaster and why you see such little testing going on in certain parts of the country. Without nationalizing the supply chain, good luck returning to normal. Trump did explain why he can't give all the ventilators to one state. Did you stop watching before his explanation?
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Post by aardvark on Apr 3, 2020 14:45:42 GMT -8
Yeah, this thread needs to moved.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 14:48:24 GMT -8
Yeah, this thread needs to moved. I'm all for it!!
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 3, 2020 15:06:32 GMT -8
Then you know that unbiased media exists, since there's no commentary. Mystery solved. I tried, but the federal stockpile lie was enough. States are competing for resources, which is an unmitigated disaster and why you see such little testing going on in certain parts of the country. Without nationalizing the supply chain, good luck returning to normal. Trump did explain why he can't give all the ventilators to one state. Did you stop watching before his explanation? No, after he was asked a valid question by a credentialed reporter, he went into psycho babble mode about it being a "gotcha" question and that was enough. Lol. Nobody is saying send it all to one state. But you cannot have states competing for resources by commercializing critical products for gain, orchestrating sales to the highest bidder.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 15:17:15 GMT -8
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Post by carpediemaztec on Apr 4, 2020 21:03:51 GMT -8
Our infectious disease experts got it wrong (Fauci, Birx, NIH, CDC). Trump not a infectious disease expert. He is supposed to be able to rely upon these people, both as to the severity of this literally batshit crazy virus and how to best deal with it. Spotting an issue is important, finding a solution is invaluable.
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Post by couldashoulda on Apr 5, 2020 5:22:08 GMT -8
couldashoulda - it's really difficult to get an unbiased news source. IMO, the main thing is to try to catch news from a bunch of different sources: one night watch NBC, one night watch Fox News, one night watch BBC - and you're just going to have to synthesize what you've seen and heard from the difference sources. I also like to occasionally go to aljazeera.com to try to get some sort of outside vantage point. A rhetorical question is not really a question, but rather making an underlying point. I was making a point. An epidemiologist is not "Media". Do I trust Dr.'s Fauci and Birx, yes I do. They are scientists who really seem to be trying to disseminate information without any political bent. But, I don't consider them Media. And that is a portion of the point I am making...that being that Media is a subjective term. People define media as it suits their purpose. Media is defined as "Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data. ... The term "medium" (the singular form of "media") is defined as "one of the means or channels of general communication, information, or entertainment in society, as newspapers, radio, or television." In addition to watching the nightly news, CNN, C-Span, MSNBC, CNBC, BBC, etc. I subscribe to wide variety of print media. In addition to the UT, I subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Kiplinger's, Rolling Stone, Golf Digest, Consumer Reports. Of the "Media" I describe above, I can't name one that does not have an editorial slant to their content. Rolling Stone and Investors Business Daily have about as differing editorial stances as two publications can have. Interestingly, last year IBD made the decision to completely ditch their Op/Ed section and stick to Business and investing news reporting. My point in the original rhetorical question of whether there is such a thing as unbiased Media is that, depending mostly on your political leanings, you can always find "Fake News". For conservatives, it is the "Main Stream" media and the likes of CNN and MSNBC. For liberals it is Fox News and Alex Jones, among others. Everything is a matter of perspective. Nobody is right, and everybody is wrong. As Aztec Ryan pointed out, do your fact checking. That's what Google is for.
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Post by uwphoto on Apr 5, 2020 7:20:26 GMT -8
couldashoulda - it's really difficult to get an unbiased news source. IMO, the main thing is to try to catch news from a bunch of different sources: one night watch NBC, one night watch Fox News, one night watch BBC - and you're just going to have to synthesize what you've seen and heard from the difference sources. I also like to occasionally go to aljazeera.com to try to get some sort of outside vantage point. A rhetorical question is not really a question, but rather making an underlying point. I was making a point. An epidemiologist is not "Media". Do I trust Dr.'s Fauci and Birx, yes I do. They are scientists who really seem to be trying to disseminate information without any political bent. But, I don't consider them Media. And that is a portion of the point I am making...that being that Media is a subjective term. People define media as it suits their purpose. Media is defined as "Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data. ... The term "medium" (the singular form of "media") is defined as "one of the means or channels of general communication, information, or entertainment in society, as newspapers, radio, or television." In addition to watching the nightly news, CNN, C-Span, MSNBC, CNBC, BBC, etc. I subscribe to wide variety of print media. In addition to the UT, I subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Kiplinger's, Rolling Stone, Golf Digest, Consumer Reports. Of the "Media" I describe above, I can't name one that does not have an editorial slant to their content. Rolling Stone and Investors Business Daily have about as differing editorial stances as two publications can have. Interestingly, last year IBD made the decision to completely ditch their Op/Ed section and stick to Business and investing news reporting. My point in the original rhetorical question of whether there is such a thing as unbiased Media is that, depending mostly on your political leanings, you can always find "Fake News". For conservatives, it is the "Main Stream" media and the likes of CNN and MSNBC. For liberals it is Fox News and Alex Jones, among others. Everything is a matter of perspective. Nobody is right, and everybody is wrong. As Aztec Ryan pointed out, do your fact checking. That's what Google is for. It's not 50 / 50. The far right fringe gets more facetime than they ever have. Teddy Roosevelt, who set up the National Park system, would be considered a Nazi by the right today. DT took protection off the red salmon runs that feed Bristol Bay, which threatens a billion dollar fishery. putting industry insiders in charge of EPA, Interior Department etc. Name the 10 most important far Right innovators of the last 100 years? I could name an endless list of left-leaning and moderates who give the most in society. Without them, no Microsoft, Apple, the greatest scientists who ever lived, the greatest musicians and on and on. What we are seeing now are elements of devolution and the movie Idiocracy being played out. The medal of Freedom was just given to a guy who tells his audience "it's just the common cold folks". There is no equalivancy there.
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Post by couldashoulda on Apr 5, 2020 8:10:32 GMT -8
A rhetorical question is not really a question, but rather making an underlying point. I was making a point. An epidemiologist is not "Media". Do I trust Dr.'s Fauci and Birx, yes I do. They are scientists who really seem to be trying to disseminate information without any political bent. But, I don't consider them Media. And that is a portion of the point I am making...that being that Media is a subjective term. People define media as it suits their purpose. Media is defined as "Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data. ... The term "medium" (the singular form of "media") is defined as "one of the means or channels of general communication, information, or entertainment in society, as newspapers, radio, or television." In addition to watching the nightly news, CNN, C-Span, MSNBC, CNBC, BBC, etc. I subscribe to wide variety of print media. In addition to the UT, I subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Kiplinger's, Rolling Stone, Golf Digest, Consumer Reports. Of the "Media" I describe above, I can't name one that does not have an editorial slant to their content. Rolling Stone and Investors Business Daily have about as differing editorial stances as two publications can have. Interestingly, last year IBD made the decision to completely ditch their Op/Ed section and stick to Business and investing news reporting. My point in the original rhetorical question of whether there is such a thing as unbiased Media is that, depending mostly on your political leanings, you can always find "Fake News". For conservatives, it is the "Main Stream" media and the likes of CNN and MSNBC. For liberals it is Fox News and Alex Jones, among others. Everything is a matter of perspective. Nobody is right, and everybody is wrong. As Aztec Ryan pointed out, do your fact checking. That's what Google is for. It's not 50 / 50. The far right fringe gets more facetime than they ever have. Teddy Roosevelt, who set up the National Park system, would be considered a Nazi by the right today. DT took protection off the red salmon runs that feed Bristol Bay, which threatens a billion dollar fishery. putting industry insiders in charge of EPA, Interior Department etc. Name the 10 most important far Right innovators of the last 100 years? I could name an endless list of left-leaning and moderates who give the most in society. Without them, no Microsoft, Apple, the greatest scientists who ever lived, the greatest musicians and on and on. What we are seeing now are elements of devolution and the movie Idiocracy being played out. The medal of Freedom was just given to a guy who tells his audience "it's just the common cold folks". There is no equalivancy there. Yeah, I was definitely not saying it was 50/50, and whatever ratio it is, is also a matter of perspective and constant dynamics. If you go back to my first post regarding "the media" I was clear in stating that I am a registered Independent and have almost equal disdain for radical factions on both the left and the right. I am both fascinated and revolted by politics and the way that political viewpoints are disseminated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 8:14:43 GMT -8
Let's not forget about The World Health Organization covering for China's Government and telling the entire world this. World Health Organization (WHO) (@who) Tweeted: Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳. t.co/Fnl5P877VG Just More Facts!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 8:42:08 GMT -8
A rhetorical question is not really a question, but rather making an underlying point. I was making a point. An epidemiologist is not "Media". Do I trust Dr.'s Fauci and Birx, yes I do. They are scientists who really seem to be trying to disseminate information without any political bent. But, I don't consider them Media. And that is a portion of the point I am making...that being that Media is a subjective term. People define media as it suits their purpose. Media is defined as "Media are the communication outlets or tools used to store and deliver information or data. ... The term "medium" (the singular form of "media") is defined as "one of the means or channels of general communication, information, or entertainment in society, as newspapers, radio, or television." In addition to watching the nightly news, CNN, C-Span, MSNBC, CNBC, BBC, etc. I subscribe to wide variety of print media. In addition to the UT, I subscribe to Investors Business Daily, Kiplinger's, Rolling Stone, Golf Digest, Consumer Reports. Of the "Media" I describe above, I can't name one that does not have an editorial slant to their content. Rolling Stone and Investors Business Daily have about as differing editorial stances as two publications can have. Interestingly, last year IBD made the decision to completely ditch their Op/Ed section and stick to Business and investing news reporting. My point in the original rhetorical question of whether there is such a thing as unbiased Media is that, depending mostly on your political leanings, you can always find "Fake News". For conservatives, it is the "Main Stream" media and the likes of CNN and MSNBC. For liberals it is Fox News and Alex Jones, among others. Everything is a matter of perspective. Nobody is right, and everybody is wrong. As Aztec Ryan pointed out, do your fact checking. That's what Google is for. It's not 50 / 50. The far right fringe gets more facetime than they ever have. Teddy Roosevelt, who set up the National Park system, would be considered a Nazi by the right today. DT took protection off the red salmon runs that feed Bristol Bay, which threatens a billion dollar fishery. putting industry insiders in charge of EPA, Interior Department etc. Name the 10 most important far Right innovators of the last 100 years? I could name an endless list of left-leaning and moderates who give the most in society. Without them, no Microsoft, Apple, the greatest scientists who ever lived, the greatest musicians and on and on. What we are seeing now are elements of devolution and the movie Idiocracy being played out. The medal of Freedom was just given to a guy who tells his audience "it's just the common cold folks". There is no equalivancy there. Just another one of your deflection post as usual. And on the political board I admitted Limbaugh did say that but also said I don't care for the guy. But let's not forget what the U.S. leading health official was saying in the beginning that might have played a big roll as to why a lot of people were downplaying the Corvid-19 outbreak. Here's another reminder is case you and the others on this board forgot. Go ahead and fact check it if you want. www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/02/15/disease-expert--flu-a-bigger-risk-in-the-us-than-coronaviruswww.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 5, 2020 8:42:33 GMT -8
Man, I could really go for some tacos at Ponce's in Kensington. Would love to wash it down with a cold bottle of San Miguel Cerveza Negra.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 8:52:52 GMT -8
Man, I could really go for some tacos at Ponce's in Kensington. Would love to wash it down with a cold bottle of San Miguel Cerveza Negra. That's probably a good idea seeing how you can't deny what Dr Fauci or W.H.O. was saying about the Covid-19 outbreak in the beginning and even as late as February.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 5, 2020 9:04:33 GMT -8
Man, I could really go for some tacos at Ponce's in Kensington. Would love to wash it down with a cold bottle of San Miguel Cerveza Negra. Good idea. As to this thread now, don't waste your time. Woke up this morning to 19 notifications on Twitter from the MAGA crowd. No signs of intelligence to be found, I can promise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 9:12:55 GMT -8
Man, I could really go for some tacos at Ponce's in Kensington. Would love to wash it down with a cold bottle of San Miguel Cerveza Negra. Good idea. As to this thread now, don't waste your time. Woke up this morning to 19 notifications on Twitter from the MAGA crowd. No signs of intelligence to be found, I can promise. LMFAO!! Says the guy who posted this. "Dr. Fauci has been the one person who has not downplayed this, in spite of the administration trying to do so at nearly every press conference in March." Then posts this after being shown what Fauci was actually saying in February with credible sources. "He was wrong in February about the risks being minimal, far too general in the sense or conveying information to the public at large." Going to try and deny this?
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