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Post by xohsxc on Dec 24, 2019 21:53:33 GMT -8
As the decade nears an end, here is my 13 man all time AZTEC team.
First Team
G Thames
G Gay
F Leonard
F Franklin
C Thomas
Reserves
G Tapley
G Kell
F White
F Davis
F Shepard
F O'Brien
F McDaniels
C Spencer
Player in waiting
G Flynn
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Post by heuschele on Dec 24, 2019 23:14:55 GMT -8
I think it is a good list but ...
i do not know who I would remove but Pope should be on the list even with all his injuries. I would take him even with his injuries over Shepard.
Also I have a soft spot for Dakari Allen because of his man to man defense. Defense should be as valued as offense. Problem is who do I remove to accommodate a personal favorite.
I do not like Franklin but agree that he belongs on the list.
Few of those players make the list based on a single year (Davis). It would be great if Flynn can make the list based on a single year this decade because those are some good guards.
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Post by AzTex on Dec 25, 2019 9:47:29 GMT -8
I agree this it it a mostly good list. I'd have to go back and look at the rosters for the decade to make sure I hadn't left anyone off. Looking at this list I'd remove McDaniels and add Polee.
I'm a fan of McDaniels. In fact, I was the first one who in his freshman year said he'd be he only one more year before going to the NBA. I got laughed at by some posters, but I was right, barely. Still, he was never a real game changer for the Aztecs. More potential than he was able to show.
Polee, on the other hand, I think was a game changer for us.
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Post by Lloyd on Dec 25, 2019 10:37:13 GMT -8
The decade is coming to an end, but Flynn is definitely better in his current junior year than Thames was in his junior year.
Xavier took a big leap up for his senior year. It remains to be seen who will have a better college career, but I'm betting on Malachi, assuming he is back next year.
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Post by aztecmichael on Dec 25, 2019 11:13:36 GMT -8
As the decade nears an end, here is my 13 man all time AZTEC team. First Team G Thames G Gay F Leonard F Franklin C Thomas Reserves G Tapley G Kell F White F Davis F Shepard F O'Brien F McDaniels C Spencer Player in waiting G Flynn Good choices. That White, Gay, Shelton recruiting class is still my favorite class of all time. The interesting thing is that Shelton was, by far, the best player in that class. Those first few games he played as a freshman showed he was ready to play right now. Too bad injuries never let him fulfill even half of his potential. I would add Pope to the reserves. |
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Post by aztecmichael on Dec 25, 2019 11:14:19 GMT -8
The decade is coming to an end, but Flynn is definitely better in his current junior year than Thames was in his junior year. Xavier took a big leap up for his senior year. It remains to be seen who will have a better college career, but I'm betting on Malachi, assuming he is back next year. To be fair, X was hurt during his junior season. |
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Post by fisher1fan on Dec 25, 2019 16:58:29 GMT -8
I agree this it it a mostly good list. I'd have to go back and look at the rosters for the decade to make sure I hadn't left anyone off. Looking at this list I'd remove McDaniels and add Polee. I'm a fan of McDaniels. In fact, I was the first one who in his freshman year said he'd be he only one more year before going to the NBA. I got laughed at by some posters, but I was right, barely. Still, he was never a real game changer for the Aztecs. More potential than he was able to show. Polee, on the other hand, I think was a game changer for us. I laughed. Sorry.  merry xmas. I think Leonard and Shepard are both top starters. The rest of the list could include J Franklin and McDaniels due to their NBA skills. Add Pope and there is your 5. Shepard or J Franklin can bring the ball up. Winston and Leonard would shut anyone down. Pope and McD to rebound. Franklin to do as he wants/flexible role. My favorite all-time Aztec move was Franklin running the ball up the court, with a big trailing him, no-reason full stop on a dime, big runs over Franklin for a foul. Laugher ensues. |
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Post by cmonaztecs on Dec 25, 2019 17:51:45 GMT -8
All those years with Fisher as Coach and we only got one legit NBA player, but he's a good one.
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Post by heuschele on Dec 25, 2019 22:10:19 GMT -8
I agree this it it a mostly good list. I'd have to go back and look at the rosters for the decade to make sure I hadn't left anyone off. Looking at this list I'd remove McDaniels and add Polee. I'm a fan of McDaniels. In fact, I was the first one who in his freshman year said he'd be he only one more year before going to the NBA. I got laughed at by some posters, but I was right, barely. Still, he was never a real game changer for the Aztecs. More potential than he was able to show. Polee, on the other hand, I think was a game changer for us. I laughed. Sorry. merry xmas. I think Leonard and Shepard are both top starters. The rest of the list could include J Franklin and McDaniels due to their NBA skills. Add Pope and there is your 5. Shepard or J Franklin can bring the ball up. Winston and Leonard would shut anyone down. Pope and McD to rebound. Franklin to do as he wants/flexible role. My favorite all-time Aztec move was Franklin running the ball up the court, with a big trailing him, no-reason full stop on a dime, big runs over Franklin for a foul. Laugher ensues. Any of your starters other than Leonard over X is discounting the value he provided to a S16 team. He was virtually the only offense. When he had that lull mid season, the Aztecs could not score. In the last decade, IMO no Aztec has made as large an impact on the team. The gay, white, Leonard, Thomas, Tapley, Franklin, etc team made the S16 but look at that roster. The X team made the s16 with no where near the roster (not saying it was bad but it did not compare other than X was so clutch). |
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Post by Den60 on Dec 26, 2019 10:15:05 GMT -8
I would replace Gay with Flynn. Not only can Flynn score but he is leading the team with 5.3 assists/game.
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Post by aztecnails on Dec 26, 2019 10:55:53 GMT -8
I add three to the all time list: Brandon Heath, Michael Cage, and Anthony Watson. Heath was nearly automatic from the free throw line late in games, top 5 in scoring, cage was a dominate player in the 1980s. top memory was when he blocked two shots in the final seconds in upset win over new mexico and second was when he scored 40+ in a single game and AZTECS top all time rebounder. Watson holds the AZTECS record with 54 points in a single game. info from the AZTECS media guide as well as games I attended in person or watched tv replay.
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Post by mactec on Dec 26, 2019 11:19:30 GMT -8
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Post by ignoranus on Dec 26, 2019 11:42:17 GMT -8
Richie Williams is worthy of consideration.
And Tony Bland.
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Post by heuschele on Dec 27, 2019 1:23:36 GMT -8
I add three to the all time list: Brandon Heath, Michael Cage, and Anthony Watson. Heath was nearly automatic from the free throw line late in games, top 5 in scoring, cage was a dominate player in the 1980s. top memory was when he blocked two shots in the final seconds in upset win over new mexico and second was when he scored 40+ in a single game and AZTECS top all time rebounder. Watson holds the AZTECS record with 54 points in a single game. info from the AZTECS media guide as well as games I attended in person or watched tv replay. If you are not limiting it to this decade, Copp and possibly Gwynn may deserve some consideration along with those you indicated. But it was the “all decade team” and fortunately this is the best decade for Aztec basketball since before my time. I do not know any players from those 1950s teams that were quite good. We are very fortunate when a down year means we fall just a little short of 20 wins. Maybe take 2nd at the conference tournament. Our worst year of the decade may have had more wins than any team from the 1980s, 1990s, 2000 decades (I have not looked up to verify this but if not true it is close to true). |
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Post by heuschele on Dec 27, 2019 1:50:04 GMT -8
I would replace Gay with Flynn. Not only can Flynn score but he is leading the team with 5.3 assists/game. You would take a player who has played a third of a season over someone who played 4 seasons? Someone that virtually never turned the ball over his senior year. Someone clutch when needed (definitely not saying Flynn is not clutch because he is 1/1 when needed). Someone who could dish to an assortment of players. Someone that was the catalyst (the on court leader) on a sweet 16 team. My view is that if Flynn continues to be as awesome as he has been and the team makes it to the S16, I would still have a hard time knocking gay off the list due to 4 to years versus one year. |
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Post by heuschele on Dec 27, 2019 1:56:10 GMT -8
Richie Williams is worthy of consideration. And Tony Bland. All decade team is this decade’s all decade team. But it could be fun doing other decades. Copp, cage, Gwynn, Williams, bland,Heath, etc. |
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Post by obboy13 on Dec 27, 2019 13:24:02 GMT -8
Richie Williams is worthy of consideration. And Tony Bland. All decade team is this decade’s all decade team. But it could be fun doing other decades. Copp, cage, Gwynn, Williams, bland,Heath, etc. And, the late, great Long Ranger, Kim Goetz. Who flourished on the Mesa despite Tim Vezie. |
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Post by AzTex on Dec 27, 2019 13:39:52 GMT -8
No telling what Goetz could have done if the 3 point shot existed at that time. Most of the shots he took were easily from 3 point range, but only counted as 2 in those days.
I'll defend Tim as a coach. He had the best wining percentage since Ziegenfuss up until Fisher. In fact he was the only coach over that time span that had a winning record. Tim could have been a really good coach, but he needed a few more years as an assistant coach before he should have gotten the head coach job, IMO.
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Post by Den60 on Dec 27, 2019 13:42:04 GMT -8
I would replace Gay with Flynn. Not only can Flynn score but he is leading the team with 5.3 assists/game. You would take a player who has played a third of a season over someone who played 4 seasons? Someone that virtually never turned the ball over his senior year. Someone clutch when needed (definitely not saying Flynn is not clutch because he is 1/1 when needed). Someone who could dish to an assortment of players. Someone that was the catalyst (the on court leader) on a sweet 16 team. My view is that if Flynn continues to be as awesome as he has been and the team makes it to the S16, I would still have a hard time knocking gay off the list due to 4 to years versus one year. Yes I would. I can't recall ever having a guard who could score routinely in so many ways - a long three to a quick drive to the basket. The fact that he is getting more than 5 assists per game (he had 8 against Utah) shows that he can dish the ball well, he is directly responsible for over 26 points per game so far. His turnover rate is 1.4 versus 1.3 for Gay (who averaged 11.1 ppg with 3.1 assists in 2011 - some 10 combined points fewer than Flynn). Flynn plays about 4.7 minutes less than Gay so you can make adjustments to those numbers to get a better comparison but also remember that we play a much faster game than we did when Gay was around so increased turnovers would be expected. I am not knocking Gay, just that I think Flynn may be the best offensive guard we have ever had, yes even better than the X-man. |
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Post by heuschele on Dec 27, 2019 19:24:40 GMT -8
You would take a player who has played a third of a season over someone who played 4 seasons? Someone that virtually never turned the ball over his senior year. Someone clutch when needed (definitely not saying Flynn is not clutch because he is 1/1 when needed). Someone who could dish to an assortment of players. Someone that was the catalyst (the on court leader) on a sweet 16 team. My view is that if Flynn continues to be as awesome as he has been and the team makes it to the S16, I would still have a hard time knocking gay off the list due to 4 to years versus one year. Yes I would. I can't recall ever having a guard who could score routinely in so many ways - a long three to a quick drive to the basket. The fact that he is getting more than 5 assists per game (he had 8 against Utah) shows that he can dish the ball well, he is directly responsible for over 26 points per game so far. His turnover rate is 1.4 versus 1.3 for Gay (who averaged 11.1 ppg with 3.1 assists in 2011 - some 10 combined points fewer than Flynn). Flynn plays about 4.7 minutes less than Gay so you can make adjustments to those numbers to get a better comparison but also remember that we play a much faster game than we did when Gay was around so increased turnovers would be expected. I am not knocking Gay, just that I think Flynn may be the best offensive guard we have ever had, yes even better than the X-man. Better than x? This team is much deeper and better except for the other team had x which made them a S16 team. He was responsible for so much of the offense, a team that got to the S16. It seemed every game he was the leading scorer. When he had the mid season lull, the team stopped scoring. The comparison is not possible because this team has multiple people who can score. My view is put Flynn out there on x team and he would get the double a lot more often and his offense numbers would fall. Gay vs Flynn, I give Gay because no third of a season trumps the 4 Gay seasons and because Gay was more clearly the on court leader than Flynn. This is not to say Flynn has not been awesome in his one third of a season. Maybe by the end of the season I may be more willing to put Flynn on the team as I did agree Davis belongs on the team. |
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merry xmas.
