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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 5:31:26 GMT -8
The above was a buster olney tweet FYI
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 7:18:31 GMT -8
i like Pham. i dont like losing Edwards. he had good makeup. Loved X, but I think his swing limits his ceiling. Abrams is a better version of Edwards and has a higher ceiling. X is the #6 rated prospect in the Padre system. Hold on a sec, my man. You can't say X's swing limits his ceiling while hailing the Padres minor league coaches ability to overhaul or tweak Taylor Trammells swing concerns. Can't have it both ways. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 7:24:17 GMT -8
Fills a need for the Pads. Very athletic, toolsy OF who gets on base at a high clip, steals bases, hits 20-25 homeruns, makes contact and plays excellent defense. That is EXACTLY what the Padres needed in their lineup. Thie outfield and the lineup will be more diverse, be able to do more, and have less limitations.
Try and remember San Diego's big problem with not making contact and striking out the last two years.
I'll admit the lineup lacks a little bit of teeth/punch power wise, but if Hosmer can have a good season I like that lineup quite a bit.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 6, 2019 7:37:28 GMT -8
Loved X, but I think his swing limits his ceiling. Abrams is a better version of Edwards and has a higher ceiling. X is the #6 rated prospect in the Padre system. Hold on a sec, my man. You can't say X's swing limits his ceiling while hailing the Padres minor league coaches ability to overhaul or tweak Taylor Trammells swing concerns. Can't have it both ways. LOL One has nothing to do with the other. Absolutely polar opposite players.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 6, 2019 7:39:59 GMT -8
Fills a need for the Pads. Very athletic, toolsy OF who gets on base at a high clip, steals bases, hits 20-25 homeruns, makes contact and plays excellent defense. That is EXACTLY what the Padres needed in their lineup. Thie outfield and the lineup will be more diverse, be able to do more, and have less limitations. Try and remember San Diego's big problem with not making contact and striking out the last two years. I'll admit the lineup lacks a little bit of teeth/punch power wise, but if Hosmer can have a good season I like that lineup quite a bit. Putting the ball in play > Everything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 7:52:58 GMT -8
Certainly important yes, but so is power. Look at the stats on playoff teams and homeruns and SLG %.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 6, 2019 9:31:59 GMT -8
Certainly important yes, but so is power. Look at the stats on playoff teams and homeruns and SLG %. Acting like Tatis, Machado, Hosmer and others don't exist is random. How many .219 hitters do playoff teams employ? Let's clear up a myth....the Astros were *NOT* great because of their power. They had the best staff in baseball, voupled with the lowest strikeout rate on the position side. The Astros and Nats were 1/2 in terms of team OBP. One piece of a much larger puzzle.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 10:48:10 GMT -8
I don't think we're really disagreeing with each other at all. I think we likely see eye to eye on this one, I might just put a "slightly" bigger premium on power than you. Homers are up, but let's not pretend that every player is hitting 20 or 25 bombs these days. Definitely agree on team OBP and contact being absolutely vital, though so is SLG%. Let's not forget that. Let's take a look at the top teams by SLG %: 1. Houston 2. Minnesota 3. NYY 4. LAD 5. Boston 6. Colorado 7. Washington www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/sort/slugAvg/order/trueMost homerunsL 1. Minn 2. NYY 3. Houston 4. LAD 5. OAK ***ALL playoff teams See a trend? Boston was 3rd in OBP and missed the playoffs. Atlanta and CHI were 7th and 8th, respectively. Look at the teams that were at the bottom for homeruns, you'll see Detroit, Miami, KC, Pitt, SF, SDP. Who said Tatis, Manny, and Hosmer didnt exist? What questions do you have? I'll wait.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 10:49:55 GMT -8
Certainly important yes, but so is power. Look at the stats on playoff teams and homeruns and SLG %. Acting like Tatis, Machado, Hosmer and others don't exist is random. How many .219 hitters do playoff teams employ? Let's clear up a myth....the Astros were *NOT* great because of their power. They had the best staff in baseball, voupled with the lowest strikeout rate on the position side. The Astros and Nats were 1/2 in terms of team OBP. One piece of a much larger puzzle. "Great" teams of course will have MULTIPLE attributes as to why they are great. Duh. The Astros do many things well. One of those is they hit for power. The Padres need to do more than get on base and cut down on K's. And Hosmer has ALOT to prove in 2020.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 6, 2019 11:05:22 GMT -8
Acting like Tatis, Machado, Hosmer and others don't exist is random. How many .219 hitters do playoff teams employ? Let's clear up a myth....the Astros were *NOT* great because of their power. They had the best staff in baseball, voupled with the lowest strikeout rate on the position side. The Astros and Nats were 1/2 in terms of team OBP. One piece of a much larger puzzle. "Great" teams of course will have MULTIPLE attributes as to why they are great. Duh. The Astros do many things well. One of those is they hit for power. The Padres need to do more than get on base and cut down on K's. And Hosmer has ALOT to prove in 2020. Which is why this is literally the best trade. You still have plenty of power in the lineup and you add the best left fielder in baseball over the last 3 years. Projected right now for roughly 86-87 wins.
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Post by survalli on Dec 6, 2019 11:08:15 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 11:36:38 GMT -8
Hold on a sec, my man. You can't say X's swing limits his ceiling while hailing the Padres minor league coaches ability to overhaul or tweak Taylor Trammells swing concerns. Can't have it both ways. LOL One has nothing to do with the other. Absolutely polar opposite players. So Trammel (with the inferior by far ML stats) is correctable, but not X. Gotcha. makes alot of sense. One of them is hitting .328 to date, and one of them has been in the low .200's. Hmmm. "Edwards is an athletic middle infielder with excellent bat-to-ball skills who is a favorite among evaluators. In July, ESPN's Keith Law ranked him as the Padres' No. 5 prospect and the No. 46 prospect in all of baseball." www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28237328/rays-blake-snell-strongly-reacts-tommy-pham-trade-twitch
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 11:37:37 GMT -8
"Great" teams of course will have MULTIPLE attributes as to why they are great. Duh. The Astros do many things well. One of those is they hit for power. The Padres need to do more than get on base and cut down on K's. And Hosmer has ALOT to prove in 2020. Which is why this is literally the best trade. You still have plenty of power in the lineup and you add the best left fielder in baseball over the last 3 years. Projected right now for roughly 86-87 wins. I'm on record as being a big fan of the trade, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 11:38:59 GMT -8
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Post by aztecmusician on Dec 6, 2019 13:25:13 GMT -8
This deal is a win this year move for the Pads.
My bottom line here is Pham for Renfroe is quality for quality, however Padre fans in 3-4 years (Preller will probably be gone by this time) are going to look at this as the Xavier Edwards trade. Tampa Bay has a penchant for coming out on top of these deals and Edwards reminds me a lot of Trea Turner.
Pham is a great player, he brings it every night. However at 33, his skills, especially on the defensive side are slipping. Long term TB wins this deal.
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Post by azman on Dec 6, 2019 19:10:25 GMT -8
This deal is a win this year move for the Pads. My bottom line here is Pham for Renfroe is quality for quality, however Padre fans in 3-4 years (Preller will probably be gone by this time) are going to look at this as the Xavier Edwards trade. Tampa Bay has a penchant for coming out on top of these deals and Edwards reminds me a lot of Trea Turner. Pham is a great player, he brings it every night. However at 33, his skills, especially on the defensive side are slipping. Long term TB wins this deal. This is exactly what I was thinking. Edwards may be another Trea Turner. I would have rather him traded Renfroe and maybe Trammell instead for Pham.
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Post by aardvark on Dec 6, 2019 20:01:57 GMT -8
Plus...apparently, the Rays will also get a PTBNL in the deal.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 6, 2019 20:50:52 GMT -8
This deal is a win this year move for the Pads. My bottom line here is Pham for Renfroe is quality for quality, however Padre fans in 3-4 years (Preller will probably be gone by this time) are going to look at this as the Xavier Edwards trade. Tampa Bay has a penchant for coming out on top of these deals and Edwards reminds me a lot of Trea Turner. Pham is a great player, he brings it every night. However at 33, his skills, especially on the defensive side are slipping. Long term TB wins this deal. Pham is not even 32 yet. Let's not age him that quickly.
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 6, 2019 20:53:03 GMT -8
One has nothing to do with the other. Absolutely polar opposite players. So Trammel (with the inferior by far ML stats) is correctable, but not X. Gotcha. makes alot of sense. One of them is hitting .328 to date, and one of them has been in the low .200's. Hmmm. "Edwards is an athletic middle infielder with excellent bat-to-ball skills who is a favorite among evaluators. In July, ESPN's Keith Law ranked him as the Padres' No. 5 prospect and the No. 46 prospect in all of baseball." www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28237328/rays-blake-snell-strongly-reacts-tommy-pham-trade-twitchThe stats have nothing to do with it : Trammell is built like a free safety. Edwards is 5'10 and maybe 175 pounds....maybe. His swing is geared towards contact. He has one home run in his minor league career across three levels. As mentioned, totally different players.
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Post by azman on Dec 6, 2019 23:38:52 GMT -8
So Trammel (with the inferior by far ML stats) is correctable, but not X. Gotcha. makes alot of sense. One of them is hitting .328 to date, and one of them has been in the low .200's. Hmmm. "Edwards is an athletic middle infielder with excellent bat-to-ball skills who is a favorite among evaluators. In July, ESPN's Keith Law ranked him as the Padres' No. 5 prospect and the No. 46 prospect in all of baseball." www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28237328/rays-blake-snell-strongly-reacts-tommy-pham-trade-twitchThe stats have nothing to do with it : Trammell is built like a free safety. Edwards is 5'10 and maybe 175 pounds....maybe. His swing is geared towards contact. He has one home run in his minor league career across three levels. As mentioned, totally different players. You don't need to hit home runs if you are a leadoff hitter and have a high OBP and steal a lot of bases. That's what Edwards will be. Maybe this trade helps us in the next year or two, but I think we will be regretting it 5 years from now. Trammell can't even hit .250 at this point, btw. He needs to step up his game, quickly.
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