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Post by bobcooper84 on Nov 24, 2019 8:40:36 GMT -8
He screwed up both on the defense by not calling a timeout until there was 1:30 something left and then again by not trying to get closer for a long FG on a windy night. Some of the worst clock management I have ever seen. I have to agree that it was horrible. No excuse to leave a timeout on the table. By leaving one, is proof that it was poor clock management in a game that went down to the last play of the game, basically. Rocky has less confidence in his offense making a positive play i.e. 5-10 yard gain, then believing something bad will happen such as Agnew taking a sack or a possible offensive penalty, thus eliminating the potential game tying kick altogether. His clock management decisions for the past two seasons at the end of halves and last evening's game prove this. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 24, 2019 9:41:39 GMT -8
I have to agree that it was horrible. No excuse to leave a timeout on the table. By leaving one, is proof that it was poor clock management in a game that went down to the last play of the game, basically. Rocky has less confidence in his offense making a positive play i.e. 5-10 yard gain, then believing something bad will happen such as Agnew taking a sack or a possible offensive penalty, thus eliminating the potential game tying kick altogether. His clock management decisions for the past two seasons at the end of halves and last evening's game prove this. Besides tbe fact that he sbould have taken one at the end if the gane, there's no excuse for not taking one on the defensive end in Hawaii's last series that would have saved us at least 40 seconds. Having a timeout left in the bank in a game like that just screams poor clock management. |
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Nov 24, 2019 9:55:36 GMT -8
Rocky has less confidence in his offense making a positive play i.e. 5-10 yard gain, then believing something bad will happen such as Agnew taking a sack or a possible offensive penalty, thus eliminating the potential game tying kick altogether. His clock management decisions for the past two seasons at the end of halves and last evening's game prove this. Besides tbe fact that he sbould have taken one at the end if the gane, there's no excuse for not taking one on the defensive end in Hawaii's last series that would have saved us at least 40 seconds. Having a timeout left in the bank in a game like that just screams poor clock management. Especially in college where TO's aren't as valuable on offense as in the Pro's. With the clock stopping for first downs at least temporarily, that with the option to spike the ball means you can go a long way with little time in college. Example is when weak armed game manager, Todd Santos, (sound familiar Ryan Agnew) led us 90 yards in a snow storm at Colorado State in '86 with no TO's left and only a minute on the clock. This victory gave us the opportunity to play and beat BYU to make our only Holiday Bowl. |
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Post by perch on Nov 24, 2019 10:07:59 GMT -8
I agree with many above. I was screaming into the screen at 2:40 to call a time out. He did not and lost almost a minute of time. We sure could have used another minute at the end. Really dumb clock management. Especially since we are not a fast moving offense, we have a better chance of scoring in a little over 2 min than in a little over 1 min.
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Post by longtimebooster on Nov 24, 2019 10:08:03 GMT -8
Example is when weak armed game manager, Todd Santos, (sound familiar Ryan Agnew) led us 90 yards in a snow storm at Colorado State in '86 with no TO's left and only a minute on the clock. This victory gave us the opportunity to play and beat BYU to make our only Holiday Bowl. Todd Santos weak-armed?!? What'r'u smokin'? You mean the guy who in 1987 led the nation with nearly 4,000 yards passing, yards-per-catch, completions, completion percentage, passer rating and was No. 3 in TDs (26)? The guy who could chuck it downfield 60 yards on the fly? That guy was weak-armed? Seriously? If that's the case, then, "Thank you, sir, may I have another!!!" There's a reason Santos led us 90 yards on a late-game drive in a snowstorm. It's cuz he was a blue-chip college QB, something we've seen with increasing rarity on the Mesa in the decades since. |
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Post by perch on Nov 24, 2019 10:11:42 GMT -8
I was screaming at the screen at 2:40 to call a timeout. It would have saved about 1 min. which would make all the difference in the world. Really stupid!
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Post by goaztecs on Nov 24, 2019 10:12:34 GMT -8
Rocky has less confidence in his offense making a positive play i.e. 5-10 yard gain, then believing something bad will happen such as Agnew taking a sack or a possible offensive penalty, thus eliminating the potential game tying kick altogether. His clock management decisions for the past two seasons at the end of halves and last evening's game prove this. Besides tbe fact that he sbould have taken one at the end if the gane, there's no excuse for not taking one on the defensive end in Hawaii's last series that would have saved us at least 40 seconds. Having a timeout left in the bank in a game like that just screams poor clock management. Completely stupid. We could have won with those 40 seconds. Should have used all three on D then we prob would have had over a minute more. |
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Post by mfaulkhof2011 on Nov 24, 2019 10:16:11 GMT -8
Example is when weak armed game manager, Todd Santos, (sound familiar Ryan Agnew) led us 90 yards in a snow storm at Colorado State in '86 with no TO's left and only a minute on the clock. This victory gave us the opportunity to play and beat BYU to make our only Holiday Bowl. Todd Santos weak-armed?!? What'r'u smokin'? You mean the guy who in 1987 led the nation with nearly 4,000 yards passing, yards-per-catch, completions, completion percentage, passer rating and was No. 3 in TDs (26)? The guy who could chuck it downfield 60 yards on the fly? That guy was weak-armed? Seriously? If that's the case, then, "Thank you, sir, may I have another!!!" There's a reason Santos led us 90 yards on a late-game drive in a snowstorm. It's cuz he was a blue-chip college QB, something we've seen with increasing rarity on the Mesa in the decades since. Dude I love Todd Santos but he was a guy who relied on YAC yards from his receivers. Yes he could put air under the ball for a long bomb, but why do you think after retiring with over 10K+ yards passing he was drafted in the 10th round in the NFL draft? He couldn't even make the taxi squad in the NFL. It wasn't because he was short. He was a great college QB but his arm strength was very similar to Agnew. We just don't have the quality of receivers we had then or RB's. No knock on Santos just reality. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 24, 2019 10:24:50 GMT -8
I agree with many above. I was screaming into the screen at 2:40 to call a time out. He did not and lost almost a minute of time. We sure could have used another minute at the end. Really dumb clock management. Especially since we are not a fast moving offense, we have a better chance of scoring in a little over 2 min than in a little over 1 min. I was screaming too. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 24, 2019 10:25:42 GMT -8
Besides tbe fact that he sbould have taken one at the end if the gane, there's no excuse for not taking one on the defensive end in Hawaii's last series that would have saved us at least 40 seconds. Having a timeout left in the bank in a game like that just screams poor clock management. Completely stupid. We could have won with those 40 seconds. Should have used all three on D then we prob would have had over a minute more. Yep. |
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Post by johneaztec on Nov 24, 2019 10:27:20 GMT -8
I was screaming at the screen at 2:40 to call a timeout. It would have saved about 1 min. which would make all the difference in the world. Really stupid! It very well could have cost us the Championship. I'm sure we would have had the ball much closer for an easier FG. Ridiculous. |
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Post by aztecnails on Nov 24, 2019 10:52:12 GMT -8
i was at that game at csu in 1986 and it stopped snowing around kickoff. the only thing the Aztecs had to dodge was the nearly non stop Colorado State fans throwing snowballs. the field was pretty good considering it snowed. I remember one pro game where the field at our stadium was iced over that night but melted before the game. now to yesterday, the two plays that were more costly was not reviewing the potential Aztecs safety (score would have been 7-5 deficit and Aztecs receiving the free kick) and the bogus Tezino penalty. last, it would be nice to leave the field uncovered by tarp and a muddy field would benefit the Aztecs against bywho. Most likely the field will be re-sodded for the holiday bowl as it has been in the past.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Nov 24, 2019 11:05:57 GMT -8
I was as perplexed as the rest of you as to Rocky's thinking in not using that final timeout and I've certainly been inclined to similarly shout expletives out of frustration while watching an athletic event. However, I did not do so last night. Given the incompetence of Jeff Horton, I had so little confidence in our ability to win the game in overtime that I viewed a successful field goal as probably accomplishing nothing more than delaying the inevitable.
Rocky would likely disagree with that assessment of our chances in overtime. He would point out, for example, how a certain backup quarterback who couldn't have done so without himself led us to an overtime victory in Reno several years ago. However, a key difference is that Horton was then only our running backs coach.
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Post by jp92grad on Nov 24, 2019 11:48:17 GMT -8
Todd Santos weak-armed?!? What'r'u smokin'? You mean the guy who in 1987 led the nation with nearly 4,000 yards passing, yards-per-catch, completions, completion percentage, passer rating and was No. 3 in TDs (26)? The guy who could chuck it downfield 60 yards on the fly? That guy was weak-armed? Seriously? If that's the case, then, "Thank you, sir, may I have another!!!" There's a reason Santos led us 90 yards on a late-game drive in a snowstorm. It's cuz he was a blue-chip college QB, something we've seen with increasing rarity on the Mesa in the decades since. Dude I love Todd Santos but he was a guy who relied on YAC yards from his receivers. Yes he could put air under the ball for a long bomb, but why do you think after retiring with over 10K+ yards passing he was drafted in the 10th round in the NFL draft? He couldn't even make the taxi squad in the NFL. It wasn't because he was short. He was a great college QB but his arm strength was very similar to Agnew. We just don't have the quality of receivers we had then or RB's. No knock on Santos just reality. Question, Why is it always brought up of what a player does in the NFL to give him value for his accomplishments in college? Santos was a stud, and played great for SDSU end of sentence. Santos had a much better arm then Agnew and the coaching staff put a much better game plan in for the players on the team. They planned the game around the players they had and not just the system. |
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Post by goaztecs on Nov 24, 2019 11:55:40 GMT -8
I’m a rocky supporter but this is the second straight season when his decisions at the end cost us the game bs Hawaii.
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Post by longtimebooster on Nov 25, 2019 11:00:21 GMT -8
Todd Santos weak-armed?!? What'r'u smokin'? You mean the guy who in 1987 led the nation with nearly 4,000 yards passing, yards-per-catch, completions, completion percentage, passer rating and was No. 3 in TDs (26)? The guy who could chuck it downfield 60 yards on the fly? That guy was weak-armed? Seriously? If that's the case, then, "Thank you, sir, may I have another!!!" There's a reason Santos led us 90 yards on a late-game drive in a snowstorm. It's cuz he was a blue-chip college QB, something we've seen with increasing rarity on the Mesa in the decades since. Dude I love Todd Santos but he was a guy who relied on YAC yards from his receivers. Yes he could put air under the ball for a long bomb, but why do you think after retiring with over 10K+ yards passing he was drafted in the 10th round in the NFL draft? He couldn't even make the taxi squad in the NFL. It wasn't because he was short. He was a great college QB but his arm strength was very similar to Agnew. We just don't have the quality of receivers we had then or RB's. No knock on Santos just reality. U r stoned. Santos's arm strength was light years beyond Agnew. So was his precision. And you don't pass for 11k+ yards all on YAC. That's nonsense. Did you even see the guy play? Dude could throw. And he could get it downfield. And, yes, our receiving corps was much better then with Jackson, Gilbreath and Awalt. But Santos was a stud. And to call him noodle-armed is just silly. He didn't make it in the NFL because he was 5'10" and not particular fleet of foot. But make no mistake, he was a great college QB, just as there are some fantastic college hoops players who excel at the university level, but just don't have the physique to make it in the NBA. Doesn't detract one bit on the quality of their play in college. |
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