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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 5, 2019 21:36:25 GMT -8
horton haters, your choice Horton needs to do everyone a favor and just retire already For every good call he made tonight (and there were several) he made a bad call. And if you look at the numbers against a bad, BAD Colorado State team that was really a poor offensive performance. Not horrible, but bad. |
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Post by redaztec5150 on Oct 5, 2019 21:54:17 GMT -8
We should be favored in all our games until we meet Fresno state. Hopefully our offense and special teams get much better by then. We had a whole quarter to work on our offense (the 3rd) and Horton goes ultra-conservative. This drives me nuts because these are lost opportunities to get better on offense and to develop some rhythm. Frustrating to say the least. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 5, 2019 21:56:01 GMT -8
Aztecs Defense was amazing and very physical, this was not a finesse win, it sure why anyone would say that.
CSU had about 700 yards against Toledo With O’Brien at QB and we destroyed them...
The Aztecs passing game looked pretty good all night, especially when they were calling plays that gave Agnew some options. 16-20 was very efficient and could have done much more if given the opportunity.
The running was horrible, again... but got a little better in the 2nd half.
The play calling and OL scheme was pretty bad, there has just not been enough improvement. There are real question about Whether or not Horton and Schmidt will be back, I would say unlikely right now.
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Post by aztecjake on Oct 5, 2019 22:08:39 GMT -8
As far as Horton goes, and I hate to say it, so I just won't.
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Post by zurac315 on Oct 5, 2019 23:25:47 GMT -8
Good win. If Washington is healthy, we have to be favorites to win the conference. WHAT?  ? |
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Post by couldashoulda on Oct 6, 2019 3:52:02 GMT -8
I watched the second half of the game on DVR this morning, so it is fresh in my mind. I can't remember shaking my head so much while watching a football game that my team was winning by 2 TDs. Agnew took the offense on his shoulders and made the throws he needed to, and Kobe Smith was a man once again. That dude should have a very nice career at SDSU by the time he's done. This win was Agnew and that defense. Luq Barcoo stepped up big time in the second half. CSU obviously thought they had a better chance against Barcoo than Hall and paid for it. A game like that for a DB is a real confidence builder.
I'll take a 2 TD win any time, but it was not pretty, and the opponent was not very good.
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Post by moctezumaii on Oct 6, 2019 6:38:24 GMT -8
Aztecs Defense was amazing and very physical, this was not a finesse win, it sure why anyone would say that. CSU had about 700 yards against Toledo With O’Brien at QB and we destroyed them... The Aztecs passing game looked pretty good all night, especially when they were calling plays that gave Agnew some options. 16-20 was very efficient and could have done much more if given the opportunity. The running was horrible, again... but got a little better in the 2nd half. The play calling and OL scheme was pretty bad, there has just not been enough improvement. There are real question about Whether or not Horton and Schmidt will be back, I would say unlikely right now. And Blaine Morgan. Jury here is out on Hunkie Cooper, but I'd lean he needs to go, too. |
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Post by PAC12 Aztec on Oct 6, 2019 7:26:08 GMT -8
Aztecs Defense was amazing and very physical, this was not a finesse win, it sure why anyone would say that. CSU had about 700 yards against Toledo With O’Brien at QB and we destroyed them... The Aztecs passing game looked pretty good all night, especially when they were calling plays that gave Agnew some options. 16-20 was very efficient and could have done much more if given the opportunity. The running was horrible, again... but got a little better in the 2nd half. The play calling and OL scheme was pretty bad, there has just not been enough improvement. There are real question about Whether or not Horton and Schmidt will be back, I would say unlikely right now. And Blaine Morgan. Jury here is out on Hunkie Cooper, but I'd lean he needs to go, too. Interesting as I don’t see the board call out Hunkie often if at all. However, I do think if we are gonna take this team to the next level, and we do have the talent. We need to make changes with Blaine and Horton. I am still a believer in Schmidt. I think better play calling and QB play helps the offensive line. Also, replacing all of those coaches we have commented on may take too much money for solid replacements that we may not be able to afford. I think some of it will come down to resources that we lack. However, if I become rich and get a boat load of money then I will pony up the cash needed for legit D1 offensive coaches. I promise but it probably isn’t gonna happen. Ugh |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 6, 2019 7:54:26 GMT -8
Aztecs Defense was amazing and very physical, this was not a finesse win, it sure why anyone would say that. CSU had about 700 yards against Toledo With O’Brien at QB and we destroyed them... The Aztecs passing game looked pretty good all night, especially when they were calling plays that gave Agnew some options. 16-20 was very efficient and could have done much more if given the opportunity. The running was horrible, again... but got a little better in the 2nd half. The play calling and OL scheme was pretty bad, there has just not been enough improvement. There are real question about Whether or not Horton and Schmidt will be back, I would say unlikely right now. And Blaine Morgan. Jury here is out on Hunkie Cooper, but I'd lean he needs to go, too. Not one offensive coach has done a good job this year. Some worse than others, but they're all doing a poor job or worse. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 6, 2019 8:05:38 GMT -8
And Blaine Morgan. Jury here is out on Hunkie Cooper, but I'd lean he needs to go, too. Interesting as I don’t see the board call out Hunkie often if at all. However, I do think if we are gonna take this team to the next level, and we do have the talent. We need to make changes with Blaine and Horton. I am still a believer in Schmidt. I think better play calling and QB play helps the offensive line. Also, replacing all of those coaches we have commented on may take too much money for solid replacements that we may not be able to afford. I think some of it will come down to resources that we lack. However, if I become rich and get a boat load of money then I will pony up the cash needed for legit D1 offensive coaches. I promise but it probably isn’t gonna happen. Ugh fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... |
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Post by zollner on Oct 6, 2019 8:14:19 GMT -8
In he last 2 games the punt return unit has been given penalties that have flipped the field not in our favor. I think the penalty number is 5. That is ridiculous, the coach needs to do a better job, a lot better. We have had a couple of good returns wiped out and poor field position inside the 15 yd. line.
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Post by legkick on Oct 6, 2019 8:24:08 GMT -8
fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... Agnew does a pretty good job of getting his first read the ball. He threw good balls a few times, including each of the three touchdown passes. Otherwise, Kurt Morrison pointed out multiple times where Agnew didn't see/look at a wide open receiver. Agnew's passing numbers are also a bit misleading. 20 attempts for only 135 yards? That's not good. Also, he had 6 "rushes" for -19 yards. So that is 26 passing plays for 116 yards, which frankly is terrible. He was fortunate the defense kept flipping the field in the second half. Maybe one or two of those six rushes were sacks where the O line was beat. The others were a product of Agnew's increasingly annoying habit of rolling out into the pressure and/or refusing to throw the ball away. At least twice, he took negative rushes to the outside instead of a zero play by throwing it away. |
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Post by chris92065 on Oct 6, 2019 9:05:25 GMT -8
fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... Agnew does a pretty good job of getting his first read the ball. He threw good balls a few times, including each of the three touchdown passes. Otherwise, Kurt Morrison pointed out multiple times where Agnew didn't see/look at a wide open receiver. Agnew's passing numbers are also a bit misleading. 20 attempts for only 135 yards? That's not good. Also, he had 6 "rushes" for -19 yards. So that is 26 passing plays for 116 yards, which frankly is terrible. He was fortunate the defense kept flipping the field in the second half. Maybe one or two of those six rushes were sacks where the O line was beat. The others were a product of Agnew's increasingly annoying habit of rolling out into the pressure and/or refusing to throw the ball away. At least twice, he took negative rushes to the outside instead of a zero play by throwing it away. This. It’s easy to blame Horton, but it’s hard to ignore agnews limitations while at the time bashing hortons play calling. |
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Post by myownwords on Oct 6, 2019 9:09:10 GMT -8
Winning is always a good thing. Better to be rich and healthy, than poor and sick.
Our defense has yet to be really tested. Even in the loss to Utah State, we really played well.
I don't really see the offense improving a great deal over the season. Just too many weak links that moxie cannot fortify.
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Post by junior on Oct 6, 2019 10:36:36 GMT -8
fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... Agnew does a pretty good job of getting his first read the ball. He threw good balls a few times, including each of the three touchdown passes. Otherwise, Kurt Morrison pointed out multiple times where Agnew didn't see/look at a wide open receiver.Agnew's passing numbers are also a bit misleading. 20 attempts for only 135 yards? That's not good. Also, he had 6 "rushes" for -19 yards. So that is 26 passing plays for 116 yards, which frankly is terrible. He was fortunate the defense kept flipping the field in the second half. Maybe one or two of those six rushes were sacks where the O line was beat. The others were a product of Agnew's increasingly annoying habit of rolling out into the pressure and/or refusing to throw the ball away. At least twice, he took negative rushes to the outside instead of a zero play by throwing it away.Two good reasons Agnew doesn't need to worry about NFL scouts banging down the door… but they won the game, and I won't complain about that. |
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Post by aztech on Oct 6, 2019 11:34:27 GMT -8
Aztecs Defense was amazing and very physical, this was not a finesse win, it sure why anyone would say that. CSU had about 700 yards against Toledo With O’Brien at QB and we destroyed them... The Aztecs passing game looked pretty good all night, especially when they were calling plays that gave Agnew some options. 16-20 was very efficient and could have done much more if given the opportunity. The running was horrible, again... but got a little better in the 2nd half. The play calling and OL scheme was pretty bad, there has just not been enough improvement. There are real question about Whether or not Horton and Schmidt will be back, I would say unlikely right now. I do agree that we should have passed more to keep their defense from crowding the line, as usual. BYW I sometimes wonder what Agnew thinks he's accomplishing when he runs backwards when he's rushed. He did that against USU too and lost mucho yards as well. Just toss the ball away, dummy!! CSU has a bad team and a couple of their key players got injured or didn't play. Their defense was on the field a lot which is really why our running got better in the 2nd half. Overall this game should have been put away in the 3rd quarter, but CSU still had a realistic chance until the game was under 5 minutes left. Had CSU scored another TD that could have threatened the -7.5 point spread. We got away with this win despite Horton and we'll do so against the other tomatoes in this conference as well. Any team with a good defense can stop our stagnant offense. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 6, 2019 12:13:48 GMT -8
fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... Agnew does a pretty good job of getting his first read the ball. He threw good balls a few times, including each of the three touchdown passes. Otherwise, Kurt Morrison pointed out multiple times where Agnew didn't see/look at a wide open receiver. Agnew's passing numbers are also a bit misleading. 20 attempts for only 135 yards? That's not good. Also, he had 6 "rushes" for -19 yards. So that is 26 passing plays for 116 yards, which frankly is terrible. He was fortunate the defense kept flipping the field in the second half. Maybe one or two of those six rushes were sacks where the O line was beat. The others were a product of Agnew's increasingly annoying habit of rolling out into the pressure and/or refusing to throw the ball away. At least twice, he took negative rushes to the outside instead of a zero play by throwing it away. Wait... Did someone hack your account?? Seriously, that's the most critical set of comments I've ever seen you post. And every comment there is spot on and on point. I can't (and won't) argue with any of that. Great post. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 6, 2019 12:15:45 GMT -8
Agnew does a pretty good job of getting his first read the ball. He threw good balls a few times, including each of the three touchdown passes. Otherwise, Kurt Morrison pointed out multiple times where Agnew didn't see/look at a wide open receiver. Agnew's passing numbers are also a bit misleading. 20 attempts for only 135 yards? That's not good. Also, he had 6 "rushes" for -19 yards. So that is 26 passing plays for 116 yards, which frankly is terrible. He was fortunate the defense kept flipping the field in the second half. Maybe one or two of those six rushes were sacks where the O line was beat. The others were a product of Agnew's increasingly annoying habit of rolling out into the pressure and/or refusing to throw the ball away. At least twice, he took negative rushes to the outside instead of a zero play by throwing it away. This. It’s easy to blame Horton, but it’s hard to ignore agnews limitations while at the time bashing hortons play calling. Both Horton AND Agnew are less than good. Neither of them are flat out awful, just below average. Below average coaching from the offensive staff and below average QB play makes it a lot harder for the team to win. The defense is carrying this team. |
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 6, 2019 12:17:49 GMT -8
fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... Agnew does a pretty good job of getting his first read the ball. He threw good balls a few times, including each of the three touchdown passes. Otherwise, Kurt Morrison pointed out multiple times where Agnew didn't see/look at a wide open receiver. Agnew's passing numbers are also a bit misleading. 20 attempts for only 135 yards? That's not good. Also, he had 6 "rushes" for -19 yards. So that is 26 passing plays for 116 yards, which frankly is terrible. He was fortunate the defense kept flipping the field in the second half. Maybe one or two of those six rushes were sacks where the O line was beat. The others were a product of Agnew's increasingly annoying habit of rolling out into the pressure and/or refusing to throw the ball away. At least twice, he took negative rushes to the outside instead of a zero play by throwing it away. fair, he did miss some guys, but that does happen on most plays for most QBs, you can’t see everything... the “sack” where he lost 15 or 20 yards was exactly what you are describing, perfect pocket and he left, rolling to his right for no reason... |
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Post by ron on Oct 6, 2019 12:25:44 GMT -8
Interesting as I don’t see the board call out Hunkie often if at all. However, I do think if we are gonna take this team to the next level, and we do have the talent. We need to make changes with Blaine and Horton. I am still a believer in Schmidt. I think better play calling and QB play helps the offensive line. Also, replacing all of those coaches we have commented on may take too much money for solid replacements that we may not be able to afford. I think some of it will come down to resources that we lack. However, if I become rich and get a boat load of money then I will pony up the cash needed for legit D1 offensive coaches. I promise but it probably isn’t gonna happen. Ugh fair Maybe Schmidt is better and the scheme is making him look not so great. The WRs are getting open, sometimes wide open... there is a lot of room to get them the ball and Agnew is doing a pretty good job of getting them the ball... Or, maybe Schmidt is doing his job and our OL just isn't very talented. Who here thinks we have really good athletes (aside from Ismael) playing there? |
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