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Post by aztecwin on Apr 24, 2010 7:55:32 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 24, 2010 9:29:24 GMT -8
It looks like Barack Hussein Obama has been and continues to be a gold mine of controversial issues. I, for one, do believe that he was born in Hawaii. How else does one explain the birth notices published in the Honolulu newspapers in 1961?
However, I cannot see any reason for the President of the United States to prevent disclosure of the many documents and records cited in your linked article. The Prez is not exactly a private citizen after he takes the oath of office, let's remember.
Although this does not cause me to believe that BHO was born outside the U.S.A., I wonder why he wrote that he was a foreign student on a form for special financial aid (at Oxy)?
Obama is probably delighted that the controversy over his place of birth continues; it distracts from other issues and portrays the doubters are far-out kooks. Failure to release all those other documents, however, smells of a cover-up of some sort. I don't say that he is hiding a deep dark secret. I do say that for a man supposedly poised to part the seas and banish the dark clouds from the sky, such a stance is odd.
AzWm
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 24, 2010 9:45:08 GMT -8
Chances are Obama was born in Hawaii, but why does he not show it and why has he blocked both the State and Hospital from showing the proof of live birth?
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 24, 2010 17:47:58 GMT -8
Chances are Obama was born in Hawaii, but why does he not show it and why has he blocked both the State and Hospital from showing the proof of live birth? As I said, releasing his birth certificate would go a long way toward shutting up the birthers. That would deprive Obama of something he wants; namely, a discredited opposition. There is another possibility. Perhaps there really is no birth certificate. Sometimes documents get lost or destroyed for any of a number of reasons. If that's true, imagine what the birthers would say if Obama announced that his certificate was no longer extant! Even some folks who had previously been satisfied as to his origin might start wondering. If that's the case (and I very much doubt that it is), one can see how the Dems would figure that remaining silent is better than admitting a truth that might well be innocent yet at the same time embarrassing. AzWm PS: I am deliberately not going to comment on the theory that Obama is really a space alien and his race somehow entered the birth notice in the Honolulu newspapers knowing full well that when the ObamaOne was revealed to the public, he would become leader of the (current but perhaps not for long) most powerful nation on the planet!  |
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Post by waztec on Apr 25, 2010 6:46:17 GMT -8
I have seen a copy of Obama's birth certificate. It is legit. I have a Hawaiian birth certificate to compare to it. They match.
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 25, 2010 7:08:10 GMT -8
I have seen a copy of Obama's birth certificate. It is legit. I have a Hawaiian birth certificate to compare to it. They match. You have two documents. One of Obama's we have seen. We have seen his certificate of live birth. We have not seen the hospital issued one that has a Dr.s signature and your little foot prints. No Dr or Nurse has come forward to say that they were there. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Apr 25, 2010 10:08:04 GMT -8
Certificate of live birth. . . correct. Weren't those issued in special cases? I can't remember right now what those cases were. And, of course, a cert. of live birth, if valid, does not mean that the Prez was not born in Hawaii.
Azwm
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 25, 2010 10:44:29 GMT -8
Certificate of live birth. . . correct. Weren't those issued in special cases? I can't remember right now what those cases were. And, of course, a cert. of live birth, if valid, does not mean that the Prez was not born in Hawaii. Azwm It what may seems like a change of direction, I will say that I had to produce the same document from the State of Montana that Obama has shown in order to get my first Passport after I retired from the Navy. I had the Hospital originated document with the footprints and the attending physicians signature but that was not enough. I also had a notification of birth registration but I had to get the actual Birth Certificate. In the Obama case it is different. You can't get a Doctor or Nurse to step up and say they were present at his birth. At any rate, I now think it is less important since he will either be qualified next time because of the recent moves by States to make candadites prove their eligibility or he will be a lame duck and not run. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Apr 26, 2010 8:16:14 GMT -8
doubters = far-out kooks = Wing-nuts  Does the President have a U.S. Passport? Yes he does. The birther controversy ends there. He has already proved his place of birth to the satisfaction of the U.S. State Department. I would agree with one of the birther arguments that there should be a national certification of eligibility which would supersede all states. A candidate having to prove his citizenship to each state to get on the ballot opens up a huge can of worms and introduces the possibility of a candidate being OK in one state but not another just due to the politics of those states. Don't forget Win, that what works for the Republicans would also work for the Democrats. |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 26, 2010 12:34:00 GMT -8
doubters = far-out kooks = Wing-nuts Does the President have a U.S. Passport? Yes he does. The birther controversy ends there. He has already proved his place of birth to the satisfaction of the U.S. State Department. I would agree with one of the birther arguments that there should be a national certification of eligibility which would supersede all states. A candidate having to prove his citizenship to each state to get on the ballot opens up a huge can of worms and introduces the possibility of a candidate being OK in one state but not another just due to the politics of those states. Don't forget Win, that what works for the Republicans would also work for the Democrats. What Obama deeded was the same thing that I needed. There is still room for doubt until we have the hospital document that shows an attending Doctor. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Apr 26, 2010 12:41:34 GMT -8
doubters = far-out kooks = Wing-nuts Does the President have a U.S. Passport? Yes he does. The birther controversy ends there. He has already proved his place of birth to the satisfaction of the U.S. State Department. I would agree with one of the birther arguments that there should be a national certification of eligibility which would supersede all states. A candidate having to prove his citizenship to each state to get on the ballot opens up a huge can of worms and introduces the possibility of a candidate being OK in one state but not another just due to the politics of those states. Don't forget Win, that what works for the Republicans would also work for the Democrats. What Obama deeded was the same thing that I needed. There is still room for doubt until we have the hospital document that shows an attending Doctor. Nope. Don't think so. Even if he provided a film showing his birth on the steps of Hawaii's State House, there would be legions who still believe that he was born in Kenya. |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 26, 2010 16:21:40 GMT -8
What Obama deeded was the same thing that I needed. There is still room for doubt until we have the hospital document that shows an attending Doctor. Nope. Don't think so. Even if he provided a film showing his birth on the steps of Hawaii's State House, there would be legions who still believe that he was born in Kenya. Maybe, since there are legions who believe in Global Warming rather than cyclic changes in the weather.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Apr 30, 2010 15:47:30 GMT -8
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Post by uwaztec on May 1, 2010 7:47:55 GMT -8
Nope. Don't think so. Even if he provided a film showing his birth on the steps of Hawaii's State House, there would be legions who still believe that he was born in Kenya. Maybe, since there are legions who believe in Global Warming rather than cyclic changes in the weather. I don't know Win... I have been in the environmental buis. / science / filming for 35 years and my gut feel is that it is certainly possible. Are we affecting 1% ... 5% of the change? I don't know, nobody really does. I look at our ability to change the course of the mightiest rivers on earth, to make entire species go away forever, to introduce exotic plants and animals that completely take over habitats that have been there for thousand's of years... and you have to consider it. I am more interested in the relatively recent Ph change that has occurred in the ocean. Ocean acidification is where I think the emissions effect will be more demonstrable. Cyclic changes over time are a no-brainer, but after seeing the astonishing ability of Man to radically change the natural world, I would not be surprised at all to find out we are having some effect. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 1, 2010 8:07:32 GMT -8
Maybe, since there are legions who believe in Global Warming rather than cyclic changes in the weather. I don't know Win... I have been in the environmental buis. / science / filming for 35 years and my gut feel is that it is certainly possible. Are we affecting 1% ... 5% of the change? I don't know, nobody really does. I look at our ability to change the course of the mightiest rivers on earth, to make entire species go away forever, to introduce exotic plants and animals that completely take over habitats that have been there for thousand's of years... and you have to consider it. I am more interested in the relatively recent Ph change that has occurred in the ocean. Ocean acidification is where I think the emissions effect will be more demonstrable. Cyclic changes over time are a no-brainer, but after seeing the astonishing ability of Man to radically change the natural world, I would not be surprised at all to find out we are having some effect. We are changing what this thread is about, but I will have to say that polution and warming may have some interaction that we do not know or to what extent. I share your concern about the enviornment but the more I learn about things like the control of carbon the more it looks like a scam that will make the banking problem look small. Any kind of carbon trading will create the same type of exotic trading products that people do not understand and hucksters like Algore will enrich themselves at the expense of the rest of us. Now what about the origin fo Obama? |
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Post by waztec on May 2, 2010 7:33:15 GMT -8
Nope. Don't think so. Even if he provided a film showing his birth on the steps of Hawaii's State House, there would be legions who still believe that he was born in Kenya. Maybe, since there are legions who believe in Global Warming rather than cyclic changes in the weather. Carbon dioxide is transparent to sunlight and opaque to heat energy. The amount of man made and generated CO2 in the atmosphere (along with other aerosols) has increased. All other factors being equal, the atmosphere must be warmer. Unrelated periodic changes mitigate or exacerbate the effect, but the affect of more CO2 in the atmosphere must be as I stated. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 2, 2010 8:15:13 GMT -8
Maybe, since there are legions who believe in Global Warming rather than cyclic changes in the weather. Carbon dioxide is transparent to sunlight and opaque to heat energy. The amount of man made and generated CO2 in the atmosphere (along with other aerosols) has increased. All other factors being equal, the atmosphere must be warmer. Unrelated periodic changes mitigate or exacerbate the effect, but the affect of more CO2 in the atmosphere must be as I stated. Care to present your credentials? |
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Post by aztecwin on May 22, 2010 8:20:00 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 10, 2010 15:39:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 11, 2010 22:53:50 GMT -8
win, don't you get tired of harping about foolish stuff? I remember you going crazy that Kerry had faked his honorable discharge.
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