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Post by Obsidian Edge on Nov 25, 2021 7:05:48 GMT -8
My suggestion is vote Republican. 12 years of Democratic control has devastated California….crime is out of control….shoplifting, assault and murder are spiking…homeless camps are everywhere in the cities. Time for a change. Yeah, because it's almost like San Diego's homeless crisis happened under...oh, a Republican. Nonsensical. Except he was referring to the State, not the city. And State policy affects city conditions. There's a reason people are fleeing blue states in record numbers. |
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 25, 2021 23:23:36 GMT -8
Since this is effectively a one party rule state, what are you Democrats planning to do about this? Perhaps nothing as you have your party elites under the notion that increased law enforcement is systemically racist. What then? Offer to pay protection money to the gangs involved? California needs to improve in several respects, but additional police forces is the opposite of what is needed. If socioeconomic inequality breeds crime, and people are sleeping in cars because they can't afford (or find) a place to live, well... Housing is the biggest issue California is facing right now. I agree that Democrats have not done enough to fix this issue. Here is a video that you might find interesting. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it rings true, and there is no doubt that there is a disconnect between Democratic platforms and policy in action: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIw |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 26, 2021 7:45:49 GMT -8
Since this is effectively a one party rule state, what are you Democrats planning to do about this? Perhaps nothing as you have your party elites under the notion that increased law enforcement is systemically racist. What then? Offer to pay protection money to the gangs involved? California needs to improve in several respects, but additional police forces is the opposite of what is needed. If socioeconomic inequality breeds crime, and people are sleeping in cars because they can't afford (or find) a place to live, well... Housing is the biggest issue California is facing right now. I agree that Democrats have not done enough to fix this issue. Here is a video that you might find interesting. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it rings true, and there is no doubt that there is a disconnect between Democratic platforms and policy in action: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIwQuestion. I worked in Land Use and environmental policy for some years. I also worked in marine science. Lets say you were in charge. Where in California would you be building? The most development in SoCal right now is Riverside, San Bernardino counties..places like Banning, Menifee etc. These areas are pretty far from where the jobs are and rail is not developed. As far as the coastal rich areas are concerned, you are never going to get low income housing built there. The established Reps. and Dems. fight it tooth and nail. Wanna see a civil war? try to build low income housing in Newport!! My point is that California is pretty much built out. The environmental decline is easily documented. Agribuisiness is gobbling our water like there is no tomorrow. A single crop (almonds) uses 10% of our entire water source. In this years California Fish n Game sampling of the Sacramento River, they found zero delta smelt and zero young of the year striped bass. Vitually all the mom n pop commercial salmon boats are gone from Morro, monterey, SF , Fort Brag etc. When I was at State, 3 guys could find a cheap house to rent in PB, MB and even LA Jolla. Everything is more pricey today..and guess what, it wasn't the Dems or Reps. that did it..it was both. There are too many people in California, and the difference between rich and poor has expanded in the last 40 years. Of course you could go to a Red state like Montana where my friend ljves.. if you have a million..you can live near him. |
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Post by aardvark on Nov 26, 2021 10:37:02 GMT -8
Meanwhile, referencing the title of this thread, there are daily stories in the U-T of smash-and-grabs robberies in this state.
This thread title seems pretty accurate.
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Post by sdsuball on Nov 26, 2021 14:14:13 GMT -8
California needs to improve in several respects, but additional police forces is the opposite of what is needed. If socioeconomic inequality breeds crime, and people are sleeping in cars because they can't afford (or find) a place to live, well... Housing is the biggest issue California is facing right now. I agree that Democrats have not done enough to fix this issue. Here is a video that you might find interesting. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it rings true, and there is no doubt that there is a disconnect between Democratic platforms and policy in action: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIwQuestion. I worked in Land Use and environmental policy for some years. I also worked in marine science. Lets say you were in charge. Where in California would you be building? The most development in SoCal right now is Riverside, San Bernardino counties..places like Banning, Menifee etc. These areas are pretty far from where the jobs are and rail is not developed. As far as the coastal rich areas are concerned, you are never going to get low income housing built there. The established Reps. and Dems. fight it tooth and nail. Wanna see a civil war? try to build low income housing in Newport!! My point is that California is pretty much built out. The environmental decline is easily documented. Agribuisiness is gobbling our water like there is no tomorrow. A single crop (almonds) uses 10% of our entire water source. In this years California Fish n Game sampling of the Sacramento River, they found zero delta smelt and zero young of the year striped bass. Vitually all the mom n pop commercial salmon boats are gone from Morro, monterey, SF , Fort Brag etc. When I was at State, 3 guys could find a cheap house to rent in PB, MB and even LA Jolla. Everything is more pricey today..and guess what, it wasn't the Dems or Reps. that did it..it was both. There are too many people in California, and the difference between rich and poor has expanded in the last 40 years. Of course you could go to a Red state like Montana where my friend ljves.. if you have a million..you can live near him. Yeah, that's a really good point. Part of California's problem is that it's economy has grown so much that now there isn't enough housing, and certainly there are Democrats and Republicans both from wealthy districts that block housing development. To me however, part of the difference is the disconnect between the DNC platform, which emphasizes equality, affordable housing, and social justice - and Democratic politicians in wealthy districts, especially in cities in the Bay Area, LA and SD. --------------------------------------- I think that part of the solution is to move government jobs and increase housing development in smaller towns and cities like Monterey, Fort Bragg, Humboldt, San Luis Obispo, Santa Cruz, Klamath, Crescent City, Santa Maria that are along the coast. Our state politicians could move state jobs to those locations. Perhaps high speed rail will incentivize tech companies to build satellite campuses in places like Fresno that are connected to the line. Expanding the high speed rail network in general will encourage growth in the cities that are connected to it. Expand colleges in these small towns and allow them to offer PHD's - then you might see more population growth as well. Incentivize tech companies at the state level with tax breaks to create satellite campuses in these smaller towns and cities. Spreading out the tech companies throughout the state would help a ton in the Bay Area, and the high speed network (or frequent airline service) is key to making that happen. It would be really helpful if more federal jobs could be moved to those small California locations as well. San Diego became a large city in the 1900's partly because of the location of military bases here. If our military presence is more spread out throughout the state in smaller cities, it can lead to population growth in those smaller cities. It also might help to lower or level off the population in cities like San Diego and LA, which would ease congestion. Certainly there is also the (unpopular) need to build up density. Unpopular among people who already own a home here, popular among people struggling to buy a home. I think that smart development around transit stations and job centers is helpful, but not a panacea, and a really important component of that (which is often missed) is that it's not just about building new light rail stations and lines - it's about improving accessibility to these stations through pedestrian and bicycle bridges/tunnels around highways, and increasing the density of protected bicycle lanes near stations. If we are going to increase housing density in our big cities, then we need to increase bicycle and pedestrian safety, and improve our public transportation network so that SD doesn't become LA in terms of traffic. I also think that there will be growth in aquaculture (growing algae among other things) in these coastal cities, for food, food additives, as well as consumer products, as healthy food and more environmentally friendly products and packaging become commonplace. |
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Post by uwphoto on Nov 27, 2021 15:37:06 GMT -8
Question. I worked in Land Use and environmental policy for some years. I also worked in marine science. Lets say you were in charge. Where in California would you be building? The most development in SoCal right now is Riverside, San Bernardino counties..places like Banning, Menifee etc. These areas are pretty far from where the jobs are and rail is not developed. As far as the coastal rich areas are concerned, you are never going to get low income housing built there. The established Reps. and Dems. fight it tooth and nail. Wanna see a civil war? try to build low income housing in Newport!! My point is that California is pretty much built out. The environmental decline is easily documented. Agribuisiness is gobbling our water like there is no tomorrow. A single crop (almonds) uses 10% of our entire water source. In this years California Fish n Game sampling of the Sacramento River, they found zero delta smelt and zero young of the year striped bass. Vitually all the mom n pop commercial salmon boats are gone from Morro, monterey, SF , Fort Brag etc. When I was at State, 3 guys could find a cheap house to rent in PB, MB and even LA Jolla. Everything is more pricey today..and guess what, it wasn't the Dems or Reps. that did it..it was both. There are too many people in California, and the difference between rich and poor has expanded in the last 40 years. Of course you could go to a Red state like Montana where my friend ljves.. if you have a million..you can live near him. Yeah, that's a really good point. Part of California's problem is that it's economy has grown so much that now there isn't enough housing, and certainly there are Democrats and Republicans both from wealthy districts that block housing development. To me however, part of the difference is the disconnect between the DNC platform, which emphasizes equality, affordable housing, and social justice - and Democratic politicians in wealthy districts, especially in cities in the Bay Area, LA and SD. --------------------------------------- I think that part of the solution is to move government jobs and increase housing development in smaller towns and cities like Monterey, Fort Bragg, Humboldt, San Luis Obispo, Santa Cruz, Klamath, Crescent City, Santa Maria that are along the coast. Our state politicians could move state jobs to those locations. Perhaps high speed rail will incentivize tech companies to build satellite campuses in places like Fresno that are connected to the line. Expanding the high speed rail network in general will encourage growth in the cities that are connected to it. Expand colleges in these small towns and allow them to offer PHD's - then you might see more population growth as well. Incentivize tech companies at the state level with tax breaks to create satellite campuses in these smaller towns and cities. Spreading out the tech companies throughout the state would help a ton in the Bay Area, and the high speed network (or frequent airline service) is key to making that happen. It would be really helpful if more federal jobs could be moved to those small California locations as well. San Diego became a large city in the 1900's partly because of the location of military bases here. If our military presence is more spread out throughout the state in smaller cities, it can lead to population growth in those smaller cities. It also might help to lower or level off the population in cities like San Diego and LA, which would ease congestion. Certainly there is also the (unpopular) need to build up density. Unpopular among people who already own a home here, popular among people struggling to buy a home. I think that smart development around transit stations and job centers is helpful, but not a panacea, and a really important component of that (which is often missed) is that it's not just about building new light rail stations and lines - it's about improving accessibility to these stations through pedestrian and bicycle bridges/tunnels around highways, and increasing the density of protected bicycle lanes near stations. If we are going to increase housing density in our big cities, then we need to increase bicycle and pedestrian safety, and improve our public transportation network so that SD doesn't become LA in terms of traffic. I also think that there will be growth in aquaculture (growing algae among other things) in these coastal cities, for food, food additives, as well as consumer products, as healthy food and more environmentally friendly products and packaging become commonplace. Of those, Monterey and Santa Cruz are out. Monterey is pretty built out, plus try finding a 3 bedroom for under 1 million. Same with Santa Cruz. San Luis Obisbo does not have lots of water, depends on 4 reservoirs. Santa Maria maybe has the most potential, but have to take over agricultural areas and would need to create an economic base. Right now its ag, the prison at Lompoc and the military at Vandenburg. Again, California's coast is running out of low population areas with a healthy environment. On some level, we need forests, plants, birds, fish, mammals and marine life. Those start to disappear completely, and we are not far behind. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 2, 2021 18:42:09 GMT -8
I do not blame all of California's major problems on the Democrats. Many diverse factors, over many years, have lead to the creation of those problems. Still, it is a fact that California has had one-party rule for many years. No matter what one thinks of any one political party, it is undeniable that, long term, one-party governance is dangerous. Sooner or later a party in power will become corrupt, or at any rate complacent and lazy. Or maybe it is just that no party can solve the nation's most serious problems. I wish I were more optimistic. AzWm The Democrats were/are chosen by a diverse population of 43 million people to run the state...Republicans have had their chance and the people have found them wanting...Democrats in this state are not restricting the vote of the people...unlike the one-party rule and anti-democracy TX/GA...CA is not coming up with silly laws, rules and regulations to stifle conservatives and the Republican vote...Dems retain power through their acts and issues...which the vast majority of Californians approve...that's why they keep winning and retain power...not by TX-GA voter restrictions and shenanigans...nobody wants lunatics running their state.... Okay, but the key question remains. Namely, are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not. In this last election, we saw results in Virginia and elsewhere that indicate growing disenchantment with far-Left politics. It's clear that many people who voted Dem in 2020 are not happy with what has happened in their states. They may not have become conservatives or libertarians, but they sure was hell are not blind to what has been going on. I will direct your attention especially to the vote in Minneapolis. The measure to disband the city police force was soundly beaten. Keep in mind the key issue. What happens when one political party wins and wins and wins, decade after decade, etc.? Let's remember Lord Acton's wise words. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It can and does happen regardless of the name of the party in power. AzWm |
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 2, 2021 18:56:24 GMT -8
The Democrats were/are chosen by a diverse population of 43 million people to run the state...Republicans have had their chance and the people have found them wanting...Democrats in this state are not restricting the vote of the people...unlike the one-party rule and anti-democracy TX/GA...CA is not coming up with silly laws, rules and regulations to stifle conservatives and the Republican vote...Dems retain power through their acts and issues...which the vast majority of Californians approve...that's why they keep winning and retain power...not by TX-GA voter restrictions and shenanigans...nobody wants lunatics running their state.... Okay, but the key question remains. Namely, are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not. In this last election, we saw results in Virginia and elsewhere that indicate growing disenchantment with far-Left politics. It's clear that many people who voted Dem in 2020 are not happy with what has happened in their states. They may not have become conservatives or libertarians, but they sure was hell are not blind to what has been going on. I will direct your attention especially to the vote in Minneapolis. The measure to disband the city police force was soundly beaten. Keep in mind the key issue. What happens when one political party wins and wins and wins, decade after decade, etc.? Let's remember Lord Acton's wise words. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It can and does happen regardless of the name of the party in power. AzWm ok..arrest the smash n grabbers which I agree with. William, what is your solution to the homeless problem? Even my conservative friends have no answer for me...if I ask..ok..you are in charge..how do you fix it?. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 2, 2021 19:08:51 GMT -8
Since this is effectively a one party rule state, what are you Democrats planning to do about this? Perhaps nothing as you have your party elites under the notion that increased law enforcement is systemically racist. What then? Offer to pay protection money to the gangs involved? California needs to improve in several respects, but additional police forces is the opposite of what is needed. If socioeconomic inequality breeds crime, and people are sleeping in cars because they can't afford (or find) a place to live, well... Housing is the biggest issue California is facing right now. I agree that Democrats have not done enough to fix this issue. Here is a video that you might find interesting. I don't agree with all of it, but some of it rings true, and there is no doubt that there is a disconnect between Democratic platforms and policy in action: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNDgcjVGHIwI am, of course, too young to remember the Great Depression. But my parents were not, having graduated from high school in 1933, about the worst year ever to turn 18. Having talked with them and other older relatives, and based on my reading, a very interesting thing happened in those days. Crime did not take off to the point where stores were looted in broad daylight as is happening these days. Organized crime, based largely on Prohibition, was a huge problem. But there does not seem to have been a wide-scale breakdown in rejection of law and order. We have some serious problems, and I do not pretend to have answers. Speaking of the Depression and crime, here is an interesting piece discussing that question. www.city-journal.org/html/crime-and-great-recession-13399.htmlAzWm |
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Post by bnastyaztecs on Dec 3, 2021 10:55:57 GMT -8
The Democrats were/are chosen by a diverse population of 43 million people to run the state...Republicans have had their chance and the people have found them wanting...Democrats in this state are not restricting the vote of the people...unlike the one-party rule and anti-democracy TX/GA...CA is not coming up with silly laws, rules and regulations to stifle conservatives and the Republican vote...Dems retain power through their acts and issues...which the vast majority of Californians approve...that's why they keep winning and retain power...not by TX-GA voter restrictions and shenanigans...nobody wants lunatics running their state.... Okay, but the key question remains. Namely, are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not. In this last election, we saw results in Virginia and elsewhere that indicate growing disenchantment with far-Left politics. It's clear that many people who voted Dem in 2020 are not happy with what has happened in their states. They may not have become conservatives or libertarians, but they sure was hell are not blind to what has been going on. I will direct your attention especially to the vote in Minneapolis. The measure to disband the city police force was soundly beaten. Keep in mind the key issue. What happens when one political party wins and wins and wins, decade after decade, etc.? Let's remember Lord Acton's wise words. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It can and does happen regardless of the name of the party in power. AzWm Who is this "we" majority not satisfied with CA political situation? Sixty-two (62) percent of voters reaffirmed recently that they were in fact...satisfied...so there's that...second...Virginia is no gauge or barometer on Dem approval across this nation...people just didn't like Terry...and he didn't help himself with all the gaffes and focus on Trump...the defeat had more to do with Dem turnout in a off year...and racist/bigoted whites enthused over the teaching the truth of American history...lastly...the only ones not satisfied with how the country is run is white supremacist, racist and bigots...they fear the browning of America and the loss of their most cherished religion...white supremacy...to preserve it...they no longer give a damn about democracy/America...because democracy means having the best ideas and policies to appeal to the masses...to sway them...white supremacy, racism and bigotry doesn't appeal to or sway the soon-to-be majority minority masses...so democracy does not favor white supremacy...the 95 percent white Republican party is racist, bigots and white supremacists political arm...it wants white dictatorship...does not believe in a multi-cultural America...therefore...it is undermining democracy...it has literally attacked its institutions...it is now a faction... Madison defines "faction" in Federalist Paper No. 10 as citizens, whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community. ...that's Republican party of today... "There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests."I don't think America wants the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interest...but white supremacist do...their opinions...their white supremacist passions to support their interests...so that only leaves the destroying part...this country is headed towards a showdown...those who believe in America/democracy against white supremacist...hopefully this time they eradicate the vermin of hate like Germany did the white supremacist Nazis..... |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 3, 2021 12:03:32 GMT -8
Okay, but the key question remains. Namely, are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not. In this last election, we saw results in Virginia and elsewhere that indicate growing disenchantment with far-Left politics. It's clear that many people who voted Dem in 2020 are not happy with what has happened in their states. They may not have become conservatives or libertarians, but they sure was hell are not blind to what has been going on. I will direct your attention especially to the vote in Minneapolis. The measure to disband the city police force was soundly beaten. Keep in mind the key issue. What happens when one political party wins and wins and wins, decade after decade, etc.? Let's remember Lord Acton's wise words. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It can and does happen regardless of the name of the party in power. AzWm Who is this "we" majority not satisfied with CA political situation? Sixty-two (62) percent of voters reaffirmed recently that they were in fact...satisfied...so there's that...second...Virginia is no gauge or barometer on Dem approval across this nation...people just didn't like Terry...and he didn't help himself with all the gaffes and focus on Trump...the defeat had more to do with Dem turnout in a off year...and racist/bigoted whites enthused over the teaching the truth of American history...lastly...the only ones not satisfied with how the country is run is white supremacist, racist and bigots...they fear the browning of America and the loss of their most cherished religion...white supremacy...to preserve it...they no longer give a damn about democracy/America...because democracy means having the best ideas and policies to appeal to the masses...to sway them...white supremacy, racism and bigotry doesn't appeal to or sway the soon-to-be majority minority masses...so democracy does not favor white supremacy...the 95 percent white Republican party is racist, bigots and white supremacists political arm...it wants white dictatorship...does not believe in a multi-cultural America...therefore...it is undermining democracy...it has literally attacked its institutions...it is now a faction... Madison defines "faction" in Federalist Paper No. 10 as citizens, whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community. ...that's Republican party of today... "There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests."I don't think America wants the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interest...but white supremacist do...their opinions...their white supremacist passions to support their interests...so that only leaves the destroying part...this country is headed towards a showdown...those who believe in America/democracy against white supremacist...hopefully this time they eradicate the vermin of hate like Germany did the white supremacist Nazis..... Okay, I'll ask you whether you are satisfied with what has happened recently in California. San Francisco is a good example of what is happening all too often. Numerous stores have been looted, so many that major store chains are pulling out of the city. When that happens, the Left (i.e., the city leaders) puts the blame on the stores for deciding that they can no longer do business in such a lawless atmosphere. This is insanity. Everyone, even the rich who live in what are now safe areas, will sooner or later agree that the situation has gotten out of hand. Let's talk about white supremacy. Just what is it, and who are its advocates? What do white supremacists want? Do they want to (as Joe Biden said not too long ago referring to Republicans) put black people "back in chains"? Charging someone with being a white supremacist these days is at least as bad a charge as calling someone a pedophile. It's the Leftist equivalent to calling Democrats communists. All you have to do is cry white supremacy and those who make such a claim believe that's all they have to do. No need to explain what the charge actually means. No need to offer proof. As for California, this state is so different from what it was when I was young in the late 40s and the 50s. Not everything is worse by any means. But there is a reason why CA has lost a seat in Congress. Ask a hundred people at random whether they approve of the homeless encampments in cities and the brazen looting that has caused stores to close. My guess is that very few will think that those and other examples of a breakdown in law and order are just fine. AzWm |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 3, 2021 12:26:05 GMT -8
"...are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not." Who is this "we" majority not satisfied with CA political situation? Sixty-two (62) percent of voters reaffirmed recently that they were in fact...satisfied...so there's that...second...Virginia is no gauge or barometer on Dem approval across this nation...people just didn't like Terry...and he didn't help himself with all the gaffes and focus on Trump...the defeat had more to do with Dem turnout in a off year...and racist/bigoted whites enthused over the teaching the truth of American history...lastly...the only ones not satisfied with how the country is run is white supremacist, racist and bigots...they fear the browning of America and the loss of their most cherished religion...white supremacy...to preserve it...they no longer give a damn about democracy/America...because democracy means having the best ideas and policies to appeal to the masses...to sway them...white supremacy, racism and bigotry doesn't appeal to or sway the soon-to-be majority minority masses...so democracy does not favor white supremacy...the 95 percent white Republican party is racist, bigots and white supremacists political arm...it wants white dictatorship...does not believe in a multi-cultural America...therefore...it is undermining democracy...it has literally attacked its institutions...it is now a faction... Madison defines "faction" in Federalist Paper No. 10 as citizens, whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community. ...that's Republican party of today... "There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests."I don't think America wants the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interest...but white supremacist do...their opinions...their white supremacist passions to support their interests...so that only leaves the destroying part...this country is headed towards a showdown...those who believe in America/democracy against white supremacist...hopefully this time they eradicate the vermin of hate like Germany did the white supremacist Nazis..... Okay, I'll ask you whether you are satisfied with what has happened recently in California. San Francisco is a good example of what is happening all too often. Numerous stores have been looted, so many that major store chains are pulling out of the city. When that happens, the Left (i.e., the city leaders) puts the blame on the stores for deciding that they can no longer do business in such a lawless atmosphere. This is insanity. Everyone, even the rich who live in what are now safe areas, will sooner or later agree that the situation has gotten out of hand. Let's talk about white supremacy. Just what is it, and who are its advocates? What do white supremacists want? Do they want to (as Joe Biden said not too long ago referring to Republicans) put black people "back in chains"? Charging someone with being a white supremacist these days is at least as bad a charge as calling someone a pedophile. It's the Leftist equivalent to calling Democrats communists. All you have to do is cry white supremacy and those who make such a claim believe that's all they have to do. No need to explain what the charge actually means. No need to offer proof. As for California, this state is so different from what it was when I was young in the late 40s and the 50s. Not everything is worse by any means. But there is a reason why CA has lost a seat in Congress. Ask a hundred people at random whether they approve of the homeless encampments in cities and the brazen looting that has caused stores to close. My guess is that very few will think that those and other examples of a breakdown in law and order are just fine. AzWm 100 people do not represent a significant sample size in a population of tens of millions. You ask 100 people in Huntington Beach, you'll get a response. You ask 100 people in El Centro, you'll likely get a different response. What is white supremacy? White supremacy is the upholding of an ideology that whites are superior to other races. White supremacy also means that white people get preferential treatment in the criminal justice system that other races are not afforded the same luxury. Lynching is still not a federal crime. There are many, many folks who want to indeed put Black people back "in chains." This is why voter suppression is a gigantic problem as it disproportionately impacts one group of people and is targeted at that group. Black people were assassinated in broad daylight less than 60 years ago just for attempting to register to vote. They are still being disenfranchised to this day as a result of abuse at the hands of lawmakers. |
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Post by aardvark on Dec 3, 2021 13:02:56 GMT -8
The Democrats were/are chosen by a diverse population of 43 million people to run the state...Republicans have had their chance and the people have found them wanting...Democrats in this state are not restricting the vote of the people...unlike the one-party rule and anti-democracy TX/GA...CA is not coming up with silly laws, rules and regulations to stifle conservatives and the Republican vote...Dems retain power through their acts and issues...which the vast majority of Californians approve...that's why they keep winning and retain power...not by TX-GA voter restrictions and shenanigans...nobody wants lunatics running their state.... Okay, but the key question remains. Namely, are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not. In this last election, we saw results in Virginia and elsewhere that indicate growing disenchantment with far-Left politics. It's clear that many people who voted Dem in 2020 are not happy with what has happened in their states. They may not have become conservatives or libertarians, but they sure was hell are not blind to what has been going on. I will direct your attention especially to the vote in Minneapolis. The measure to disband the city police force was soundly beaten. Keep in mind the key issue. What happens when one political party wins and wins and wins, decade after decade, etc.? Let's remember Lord Acton's wise words. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It can and does happen regardless of the name of the party in power. AzWm Regarding what has happened in California the last couple of decades: There are some that don't like it (yes, I am one), but the majority of the voting population seem to love it, since over the last 4 decades, the right-leaning Republican voters vote totals have increased only marginally, but left-leaning Democrat voters have almost quadrupled. The state is overwhelmingly tilted left. There may be some specific things that temporarily tend to lean back to the right, but the left is firmly in control. I don't think I will ever live long enough to see this state ever again close to an equal split between Democrats and Republicans. |
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 3, 2021 13:47:57 GMT -8
"...are we satisfied with what has happened to CA in the last couple of decades? I would guess that a majority of Californians are not." Who is this "we" majority not satisfied with CA political situation? Sixty-two (62) percent of voters reaffirmed recently that they were in fact...satisfied...so there's that...second...Virginia is no gauge or barometer on Dem approval across this nation...people just didn't like Terry...and he didn't help himself with all the gaffes and focus on Trump...the defeat had more to do with Dem turnout in a off year...and racist/bigoted whites enthused over the teaching the truth of American history...lastly...the only ones not satisfied with how the country is run is white supremacist, racist and bigots...they fear the browning of America and the loss of their most cherished religion...white supremacy...to preserve it...they no longer give a damn about democracy/America...because democracy means having the best ideas and policies to appeal to the masses...to sway them...white supremacy, racism and bigotry doesn't appeal to or sway the soon-to-be majority minority masses...so democracy does not favor white supremacy...the 95 percent white Republican party is racist, bigots and white supremacists political arm...it wants white dictatorship...does not believe in a multi-cultural America...therefore...it is undermining democracy...it has literally attacked its institutions...it is now a faction... Madison defines "faction" in Federalist Paper No. 10 as citizens, whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community. ...that's Republican party of today... "There are two methods of curing the mischiefs of faction: the one, by destroying the liberty which is essential to its existence; the other, by giving to every citizen the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interests."I don't think America wants the same opinions, the same passions, and the same interest...but white supremacist do...their opinions...their white supremacist passions to support their interests...so that only leaves the destroying part...this country is headed towards a showdown...those who believe in America/democracy against white supremacist...hopefully this time they eradicate the vermin of hate like Germany did the white supremacist Nazis..... Okay, I'll ask you whether you are satisfied with what has happened recently in California. San Francisco is a good example of what is happening all too often. Numerous stores have been looted, so many that major store chains are pulling out of the city. When that happens, the Left (i.e., the city leaders) puts the blame on the stores for deciding that they can no longer do business in such a lawless atmosphere. This is insanity. Everyone, even the rich who live in what are now safe areas, will sooner or later agree that the situation has gotten out of hand. Let's talk about white supremacy. Just what is it, and who are its advocates? What do white supremacists want? Do they want to (as Joe Biden said not too long ago referring to Republicans) put black people "back in chains"? Charging someone with being a white supremacist these days is at least as bad a charge as calling someone a pedophile. It's the Leftist equivalent to calling Democrats communists. All you have to do is cry white supremacy and those who make such a claim believe that's all they have to do. No need to explain what the charge actually means. No need to offer proof. As for California, this state is so different from what it was when I was young in the late 40s and the 50s. Not everything is worse by any means. But there is a reason why CA has lost a seat in Congress. Ask a hundred people at random whether they approve of the homeless encampments in cities and the brazen looting that has caused stores to close. My guess is that very few will think that those and other examples of a breakdown in law and order are just fine. AzWm William, you still do not answer the question. Your solution to the homeless problem in California is what? Easy to blame isn't it? What nobody addresses, because there is no easy answer, is that California is pretty much built-out if any quality of life is to be retained. And even more difficult to address are the issues of critical mass and carrying capacity..which we have exceeded. |
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Post by azson on Dec 3, 2021 16:42:04 GMT -8
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 3, 2021 17:23:47 GMT -8
I do not have answers, much less easy answers, to today's problems, both here and in many other states. The fact is that these problems have festered for many years. And yes, that includes administrations of both major parties. The first step in dealing with problems is, as anyone with the IQ of an aardvark knows, to acknowledge that there IS a problem.
As for sampling size, let's ask 40 million Californians whether they are happy with the problems that face this state. Ask them whether they are happy with the homeless encampments that are ruining so many big cities. Ask them whether they are okay with gangs of looters emptying stores without consequence. Ask them whether they are happy with repeat criminals out on the streets to comit additional crimes due to very low or no bail policies.
Go ahead, ask them. I suspect that a large majority, even residents of Brentwood or Santa Monica, would say that they are definitely not happy. If crime and general lawlessness is in somebody else's neighborhood, that's one thing. If it is spills into your part of town, that's something else.
Again, let's see how many people are willing to admit that there are huge problems, including but not limited to the ones I have mentioned.
Or, maybe I am wrong. Maybe everything is just fine. Nothing to worry about here. What do you think?
AzWm
PS: I might add here that one thing that has proven to be a huge mistake is part of Reagan's legacy as Governor of this state. That was the closing of so many mental hospitals in CA. Looked this up and found this quote. The closing of psychiatric hospitals began during those decades and has continued since; today, there are very few left, with about 11 state psychiatric hospital beds per 100,000 people. One of our biggest problems is that, unlike private companies (remember New Coke?), it's very hard for government to admit that a new policy has failed and should be radically redesigned or terminated outright.
With respect to homelessness, it's clear that many of these people should be in institutions where there is a least a chance that they can be helped. On the street they are left without hope.
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 3, 2021 17:44:54 GMT -8
I do not have answers, much less easy answers, to today's problems, both here and in many other states. The fact is that these problems have festered for many years. And yes, that includes administrations of both major parties. The first step in dealing with problems is, as anyone with the IQ of an aardvark knows, to acknowledge that there IS a problem. As for sampling size, let's ask 40 million Californians whether they are happy with the problems that face this state. Ask them whether they are happy with the homeless encampments that are ruining so many big cities. Ask them whether they are okay with gangs of looters emptying stores without consequence. Ask them whether they are happy with repeat criminals out on the streets to comit additional crimes due to very low or no bail policies. Go ahead, ask them. I suspect that a large majority, even residents of Brentwood or Santa Monica, would say that they are definitely not happy. If crime and general lawlessness is in somebody else's neighborhood, that's one thing. If it is spills into your part of town, that's something else. Again, let's see how many people are willing to admit that there are huge problems, including but not limited to the ones I have mentioned. Or, maybe I am wrong. Maybe everything is just fine. Nothing to worry about here. What do you think? AzWm PS: I might add here that one thing that has proven to be a huge mistake is part of Reagan's legacy as Governor of this state. That was the closing of so many mental hospitals in CA. Looked this up and found this quote. The closing of psychiatric hospitals began during those decades and has continued since; today, there are very few left, with about 11 state psychiatric hospital beds per 100,000 people. One of our biggest problems is that, unlike private companies (remember New Coke?), it's very hard for government to admit that a new policy has failed and should be radically redesigned or terminated outright. With respect to homelessness, it's clear that many of these people should be in institutions where there is a least a chance that they can be helped. On the street they are left without hope. ok, we agree it was a HUGE mistake for Reagan to close Camarillo, Napa, etc. That takes care of about 20 to 30%? others are addicted or just fell through the cracks. The 25 to 30 year olds I talk to are not real hopeful of buying a house....the lucky ones are just waiting for their Boomer parents to kick so they can just inheret theirs. |
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Post by aztecryan on Dec 3, 2021 19:13:27 GMT -8
I do not have answers, much less easy answers, to today's problems, both here and in many other states. The fact is that these problems have festered for many years. And yes, that includes administrations of both major parties. The first step in dealing with problems is, as anyone with the IQ of an aardvark knows, to acknowledge that there IS a problem. As for sampling size, let's ask 40 million Californians whether they are happy with the problems that face this state. Ask them whether they are happy with the homeless encampments that are ruining so many big cities. Ask them whether they are okay with gangs of looters emptying stores without consequence. Ask them whether they are happy with repeat criminals out on the streets to comit additional crimes due to very low or no bail policies. Go ahead, ask them. I suspect that a large majority, even residents of Brentwood or Santa Monica, would say that they are definitely not happy. If crime and general lawlessness is in somebody else's neighborhood, that's one thing. If it is spills into your part of town, that's something else. Again, let's see how many people are willing to admit that there are huge problems, including but not limited to the ones I have mentioned. Or, maybe I am wrong. Maybe everything is just fine. Nothing to worry about here. What do you think? AzWm PS: I might add here that one thing that has proven to be a huge mistake is part of Reagan's legacy as Governor of this state. That was the closing of so many mental hospitals in CA. Looked this up and found this quote. The closing of psychiatric hospitals began during those decades and has continued since; today, there are very few left, with about 11 state psychiatric hospital beds per 100,000 people. One of our biggest problems is that, unlike private companies (remember New Coke?), it's very hard for government to admit that a new policy has failed and should be radically redesigned or terminated outright. With respect to homelessness, it's clear that many of these people should be in institutions where there is a least a chance that they can be helped. On the street they are left without hope. I doubt the average person cares about looting of stores unless they own it. In a world full of actual issues, that barely moves the needle. Mass incarceration, voting rights, healthcare access, income inequality, gun violence in schools...the list goes on. Those are real world problems on a much larger scale that actually need to be addressed. The issue of homelessness is a complex, muddled problem that's entrenched in a multitude of layers. Socioeconomic issues, access to affordable care, escalating costs of living, mental illness and so on. |
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Post by sdsuball on Dec 3, 2021 23:36:03 GMT -8
I do not have answers, much less easy answers, to today's problems, both here and in many other states. The fact is that these problems have festered for many years. And yes, that includes administrations of both major parties. The first step in dealing with problems is, as anyone with the IQ of an aardvark knows, to acknowledge that there IS a problem. As for sampling size, let's ask 40 million Californians whether they are happy with the problems that face this state. Ask them whether they are happy with the homeless encampments that are ruining so many big cities. Ask them whether they are okay with gangs of looters emptying stores without consequence. Ask them whether they are happy with repeat criminals out on the streets to comit additional crimes due to very low or no bail policies. Go ahead, ask them. I suspect that a large majority, even residents of Brentwood or Santa Monica, would say that they are definitely not happy. If crime and general lawlessness is in somebody else's neighborhood, that's one thing. If it is spills into your part of town, that's something else. Again, let's see how many people are willing to admit that there are huge problems, including but not limited to the ones I have mentioned. Or, maybe I am wrong. Maybe everything is just fine. Nothing to worry about here. What do you think? AzWm PS: I might add here that one thing that has proven to be a huge mistake is part of Reagan's legacy as Governor of this state. That was the closing of so many mental hospitals in CA. Looked this up and found this quote. The closing of psychiatric hospitals began during those decades and has continued since; today, there are very few left, with about 11 state psychiatric hospital beds per 100,000 people. One of our biggest problems is that, unlike private companies (remember New Coke?), it's very hard for government to admit that a new policy has failed and should be radically redesigned or terminated outright. With respect to homelessness, it's clear that many of these people should be in institutions where there is a least a chance that they can be helped. On the street they are left without hope. I doubt the average person cares about looting of stores unless they own it. In a world full of actual issues, that barely moves the needle. Mass incarceration, voting rights, healthcare access, income inequality, gun violence in schools...the list goes on. Those are real world problems on a much larger scale that actually need to be addressed. The issue of homelessness is a complex, muddled problem that's entrenched in a multitude of layers. Socioeconomic issues, access to affordable care, escalating costs of living, mental illness and so on. More socioeconomic inequality = More crime Substandard living conditions = More crime The reasons why most people don't care is because the stores, and the wealth that those companies hold vs. average people, are emblematic of the wealth divide in this country. People don't care because on some deep level, they understand that the power structures of pay and wealth are not fair, and that the lootings are the equivalent of poor people attempting to balance the scales. The looting is the equivalent of monkeys rioting for being paid unequally, for performing the same task for researchers as another monkey in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg |
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Post by uwphoto on Dec 4, 2021 7:29:32 GMT -8
I doubt the average person cares about looting of stores unless they own it. In a world full of actual issues, that barely moves the needle. Mass incarceration, voting rights, healthcare access, income inequality, gun violence in schools...the list goes on. Those are real world problems on a much larger scale that actually need to be addressed. The issue of homelessness is a complex, muddled problem that's entrenched in a multitude of layers. Socioeconomic issues, access to affordable care, escalating costs of living, mental illness and so on. More socioeconomic inequality = More crime Substandard living conditions = More crime The reasons why most people don't care is because the stores, and the wealth that those companies hold vs. average people, are emblematic of the wealth divide in this country. People don't care because on some deep level, they understand that the power structures of pay and wealth are not fair, and that the lootings are the equivalent of poor people attempting to balance the scales. The looting is the equivalent of monkeys rioting for being paid unequally, for performing the same task for researchers as another monkey in this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCgIt seems the more you know, the more dire the future looks. To stave off coming societal and ecological disasters..the absolutely dumbest thing you could do to address today's problems is to tell the masses that we can go back to the 1950's. |
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