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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 3, 2017 8:53:47 GMT -8
UCF season is the best SDSU could ever do. An Undefeated team deserves a chance to see what they can do. Nobody deserves anything. And the "playoff" isn't for the NCAA championship. It's just a group of prominent conferences who joined forces with ESPN for a made for TV event. The fact that they actually are the best teams and conferances is what really rubs G5 fans the wrong way, because the G5 could create their own playoff but know it couldn't compete.True, but I think it is not impossible that the G5 might someday decide that they have very little to lose, and at least something to gain, by creating their own playoff system. It would be similar to the NIT in hoops. The G5 would have to find a media partner, but ESPN is not the only horse in the barn. (Why not call the award for the winner The Coryell Cup?) One objection, only partially substantial, would be that by starting its own playoff, the G5 would be admitting their inferior status. Well, what do the G5 conferences gain by pretending that their members currently have even a one-in-a-thousand chance to reach the CFBP? Nothing. I would also offer the following suggestions. The G5 could band together and tell the P5 that if the latter wants to play G5 schools, they must agree to home-and-home series. Or the G5 could demand a minimum guarantee of two million dollars to play in P5 stadiums. (Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc., would bitch and moan, but they could afford to pay. Iowa State, Oregon State, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Wake Forrest, and similar P5 bottom feeders likely could not. Tough!) It seems virtually impossible for the G5, as a group, ever to challenge the P5 schools. But by banding together and playing hardball, the G5 might extract at least some concessions from the big boys. Why not try? As things stand, the G5 members are falling farther and farther behind. And, let's not forget, the NCAA is about as powerless to exert serious influence on matters as was the League of Nations in 1939. AzWm |
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Post by heuschele on Dec 3, 2017 9:15:34 GMT -8
If SDSU went undefeated the story would have been the same. The Stanford and Arizona State victory would have been down played. We would be ranked higher than UCF. We would have quality wins over Stanford, Boise, n ASU. I am not saying we would be in the top 4 but we would be higher than UCF. How much higher is up for debate. |
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Post by aztecdan8 on Dec 3, 2017 9:26:39 GMT -8
Nobody deserves anything. I would also offer the following suggestions. The G5 could band together and tell the P5 that if the latter wants to play G5 schools, they must agree to home-and-home series. Or the G5 could demand a minimum guarantee of two million dollars to play in P5 stadiums. (Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc., would bitch and moan, but they could afford to pay. Iowa State, Oregon State, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Wake Forrest, and similar P5 bottom feeders likely could not. This is worth a discussion, the merits, pros/cons of this. Part of me says it would be interesting to round table various ideas. Including as extreme as G5 schools boycotting playing P5 schools- or at least maybe a large group of the more solid schools- I know some weak G5 programs need the big payday from a bloodbath or 2 game vs big $$ P5 schools to keep their program afloat. Heck, we’ve been there, and might still be. Bottom line, if I was the commissioners, presidents, ADs, maybe even include the head coaches and others, I’d be all over this- we are possibly dying a slow death, death by 1000 cuts and most of these “leaders” have their heads stuck in the sand. This would be a great thread debate on here. Some would come up with better ideas than most of these weak Conference and school leadership could. Most of them could be lumped in with 98% of our worthless, self serving federal and state politicians and deposited at the bottom of a very deep, dark, cold lake. |
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Post by frustratedfan on Dec 3, 2017 9:50:14 GMT -8
UCF doesn't have a single win against a P5 school. Last I checked Maryland was in the Big 10. No, Kansas is in the Big 12. |
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Post by sdcjohnny on Dec 3, 2017 9:57:17 GMT -8
I would also offer the following suggestions. The G5 could band together and tell the P5 that if the latter wants to play G5 schools, they must agree to home-and-home series. Or the G5 could demand a minimum guarantee of two million dollars to play in P5 stadiums. (Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc., would bitch and moan, but they could afford to pay. Iowa State, Oregon State, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Wake Forrest, and similar P5 bottom feeders likely could not. This is worth a discussion, the merits, pros/cons of this. Part of me says it would be interesting to round table various ideas. Including as extreme as G5 schools boycotting playing P5 schools- or at least maybe a large group of the more solid schools- I know some weak G5 programs need the big payday from a bloodbath or 2 game vs big $$ P5 schools to keep their program afloat. Heck, we’ve been there, and might still be. Bottom line, if I was the commissioners, presidents, ADs, maybe even include the head coaches and others, I’d be all over this- we are possibly dying a slow death, death by 1000 cuts and most of these “leaders” have their heads stuck in the sand. This would be a great thread debate on here. Some would come up with better ideas than most of these weak Conference and school leadership could. Most of them could be lumped in with 98% of our worthless, self serving federal and state politicians and deposited at the bottom of a very deep, dark, cold lake. I thought it was interesting that during wisconsin game the end zone ripped and there was a long delay to get the turf fixed. I was also watching USD play North Dakota State in the FCS playoffs. I couldn't believe what terrible condition the whole field was in. They were running around rips and tears everywhere on the field. This is the difference between P5 and everyone else. The smaller schools don't even have money to make repairs. |
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Post by tonatiuh on Dec 3, 2017 14:03:23 GMT -8
UCF doesn't have a single win against a P5 school. Last I checked Maryland was in the Big 10. Yes, there are many who still don't understand why? Neither Maryland & Rutgers belong in the Big10. They are afterthoughts who didn't even belong in the Big East!  |
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Post by chris92065 on Dec 4, 2017 7:34:54 GMT -8
I think it’s a great idea for a play-off.
8 teams.
This year playoffs would have been:
SDSU
Boise st
Fresno
Memphis
USF
Navy
I’m struggling for the last 2 and don’t care to find out.
The only g5 to decline would be the news years day bowl team.
It’s better than playing in the hormone chicken potatoe chip bowl or armed forces bowl.
Within a few years p5 schools would want in.
Why?
Money
Practices
More games
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I also like the g5 schools banding together for home and home and larger payouts.
It’s time for hair to grow a pair and do his job.
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Post by junior on Dec 4, 2017 7:57:06 GMT -8
What it's time for is university presidents to grow some and oust Hair…
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Post by rebar619 on Dec 4, 2017 8:22:55 GMT -8
If SDSU went undefeated the story would have been the same. The Stanford and Arizona State victory would have been down played. If we went undefeated, we would be in the Top 10 right now. At best we would be 9. Most likely 10 or 11. Still no legit chance for a playoff spot. |
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Post by fanhood on Dec 4, 2017 8:52:20 GMT -8
If we went undefeated, we would be in the Top 10 right now. At best we would be 9. Most likely 10 or 11. Still no legit chance for a playoff spot. Maybe. With Stanford at 13, we would be Top 10. |
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Post by junior on Dec 4, 2017 9:45:51 GMT -8
Anyone think that if BCS went to an 8-team playoff that they wouldn't just take the division leaders from each of the P5s? (And yes, two of them would still get left out). No sense crying about spilt milk when there was never even any in the glass to begin with.
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Post by sdcjohnny on Jan 2, 2018 9:14:50 GMT -8
Ucf will lose by 30 to whoever they play. UCF beat Auburn. I thought they would lose by 30. Don't believe the CFP hype machine. It's not real. |
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 2, 2018 9:18:26 GMT -8
UCF finishes the season undefeated. How can they not even be mentioned for #4? The only mention of the team is that their head coach is leaving to Nebraska. Who do they get matched up against in NY6? UCF season is the best SDSU could ever do. An Undefeated team deserves a chance to see what they can do. The playoff needs to expand to 8 or 16. How can the only undefeated team in College Football not be in the playoff? This isn't new information to anyone. It is just frustrating that this is the landscape of college football. This is exactly why every fan of a G5 team should be crowning UCF as the true National Champions. Until there is equal access for all FBS teams the winner of the CFP is a fake champion. |
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Post by ignoranus on Jan 2, 2018 9:18:58 GMT -8
Sort of like the 2016 presidential polls from the same media?
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 2, 2018 9:22:33 GMT -8
Strength of schedule = 90. Case closed. Lets just address this head on. The strength of schedule argument is pure crap. It is based on ranking biases. The ranking system is totally biased. Until the subjectivity is taken out of the system there will not be a true champion. The best scenario would be for the 10 FBS conference champions to be in a playoff. Then there is no subjectivity and there is a clear and known path to a championship. Let the best teams prove it on the field instead of being decided by backroom collusion. |
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Post by DeeMoney on Jan 2, 2018 9:29:18 GMT -8
Each team should be given a clearly defined path to earn a playoff bid prior to the season, that is predicated on nothing more than wins or losses (as with every other sport). Until then you are just working with an expanded form of the BCS.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Jan 2, 2018 9:39:13 GMT -8
It's all rigged guys. We're just second class citizens to the P5 world. Oldie Out The only NCAA TV sport with equal access is the NCAA BB Tournament. You can bet your boots the P5 "crackers" are in a back room somewhere plotting on how to pare down the access for the "little guys". Shutting off the money $tream to the G5s for succeeding in March Madness is their next priority. JMO |
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Post by cvtower on Jan 2, 2018 10:01:30 GMT -8
Pretty crazy realizing that SDSU was on course to play Georgia in the Peach Bowl going into the game vs Boise State.
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Post by northcountymike on Jan 2, 2018 10:08:03 GMT -8
Strength of schedule = 90. Case closed. Lets just address this head on. The strength of schedule argument is pure crap. It is based on ranking biases. The ranking system is totally biased. Until the subjectivity is taken out of the system there will not be a true champion. The best scenario would be for the 10 FBS conference champions to be in a playoff. Then there is no subjectivity and there is a clear and known path to a championship. Let the best teams prove it on the field instead of being decided by backroom collusion. I'd like to believe this, I really would. However, when you back your argument only by saying "it's biased" (and twice, mind you), it lends little credibility to your argument. How is it biased? I'm honestly curious. On the flip side, I know plenty of times when we've tried using SOS as an argument to make our team look better, both in football and basketball - we didn't say it was "biased" then. |
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Post by rebar619 on Jan 2, 2018 10:15:01 GMT -8
Lets just address this head on. The strength of schedule argument is pure crap. It is based on ranking biases. The ranking system is totally biased. Until the subjectivity is taken out of the system there will not be a true champion. The best scenario would be for the 10 FBS conference champions to be in a playoff. Then there is no subjectivity and there is a clear and known path to a championship. Let the best teams prove it on the field instead of being decided by backroom collusion. I'd like to believe this, I really would. However, when you back your argument only by saying "it's biased" (and twice, mind you), it lends little credibility to your argument. How is it biased? I'm honestly curious. On the flip side, I know plenty of times when we've tried using SOS as an argument to make our team look better, both in football and basketball - we didn't say it was "biased" then. Whenever you evaluate two teams based on paper and not them playing it is a subjective evaluation that is riddled with bias. There is no way around it. Hell, Stanford was ranked ahead of SDSU. Did that make them a better team? On the field result says different. There must be a clear path for every team in the FBS to win a NC or it is just a popularity contest. The bias of the selection committee and the talking heads at ESPN will always protect their own power and interests in the rankings. How is it you cant see this? |
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