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Post by junior on Jul 10, 2017 16:52:54 GMT -8
SDSURF owns most of the buildings by now - there are still a few doctors' offices at the far south of that property. Yes, they'd like to use it for classroom and office space, but tough times and all of that call for some outside the box thinking. A stadium there has I-8 visibility; the trolley already stops at Alvarado Hospital - and the location is close to campus… Is it the highest and best use for the parcel? That's for all of us to think about. Plans drawn up a number of years ago showed a parking structure on either the vacant lot or right next to it on the the current property.
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Post by laaztec on Jul 10, 2017 16:55:04 GMT -8
It's going to get built a the Q site.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 10, 2017 17:40:38 GMT -8
That is a backup plan. FAR less preferred than at the Q site with other campus expansion.
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Post by fanhood on Jul 10, 2017 17:48:30 GMT -8
That is a backup plan. FAR less preferred than at the Q site with other campus expansion. Is this really the contingency plan?
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Post by aztecfred on Jul 10, 2017 17:49:24 GMT -8
Been saying that for years but, the went and built apts at west end and parking would be big problem.
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Post by Top of the Pyramid on Jul 10, 2017 18:12:24 GMT -8
One thing I find interesting is that the university is looking to increase housing by building into the side of Aztec Canyon with the considerable expense and legal headaches that entails. www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Dorm-debate-at-SDSU-Begins-421254474.htmlWhy not just tear down some of the dilapidated 2 and 3 story apartments at the end of 55th street and build towers there instead? The university already owns all the land. That was another site that has been identified as a possible location for an on-campus stadium... On the other hand, the site that junior mentions has the advantage of being located closer to the bulk of parking - and of course the already-built trolley station.
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Post by sdsu2000 on Jul 10, 2017 19:13:53 GMT -8
One thing I find interesting is that the university is looking to increase housing by building into the side of Aztec Canyon with the considerable expense and legal headaches that entails. www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Dorm-debate-at-SDSU-Begins-421254474.htmlWhy not just tear down some of the dilapidated 2 and 3 story apartments at the end of 55th street and build towers there instead? The university already owns all the land.  That was another site that has been identified as a possible location for an on-campus stadium... On the other hand, the site that junior mentions has the advantage of being located closer to the bulk of parking - and of course the already-built trolley station. I believe Aztec Shops owns all but one parcel. Think the first apartment on the left coming down is still owned by someone else.
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Post by hoobs on Jul 11, 2017 3:06:17 GMT -8
That is a backup plan. FAR less preferred than at the Q site with other campus expansion. Is this really the contingency plan? "The" backup plan? I highly doubt it. "A" possible backup? Sure.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 11, 2017 5:15:44 GMT -8
Recent developments lead me to believe we are headed toward The QUALCOMM location. It is with very small and slow steps but I see progress.
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Post by chris92065 on Jul 11, 2017 5:58:44 GMT -8
Recent developments lead me to believe we are headed toward The QUALCOMM location. It is with very small and slow steps but I see progress. Please elaborate
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Post by fanhood on Jul 11, 2017 6:25:48 GMT -8
Yea, please elaborate. I am confident that Soccer City will die........but SDSU still has a responsibility to announce their partnership plan.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 11, 2017 6:47:34 GMT -8
We see our City Council be introduced to the idea and talking about declaring the Qualcomm Site surplus. We see folks around suggesting alternatives like Alvarado, Adobe Falls, Hardy Elementary and Balboa all of which have huge obstacles that would be very hard to overcome as possible locations For a new Stadium. We see hints of possible viable plans in the background by the lack of panic by the folks at SDSU. All of a sudden we hear very little from the Soccer City folks. That is possibly because San Diego has suddenly become pretty unattractive for Major Soccer League expansion. We see a minor Soccer team ready to locate and start up here. They would be mortally wounded should Major Soccer come here. That leads me to believe Soccer City has all but given up. All these little things lead me to believe something is in the works behind the curtain at SDSU and maybe the City and County. I hope that a solid plan will be unveiled soon so that people can get enthused and invested. How about getting people excited so they will buy a seat licenses, buy a brick or two and get a big deep pockets local company to front some money for naming rights? How about getting both the new Stadium and the Field named with a sponsor? Don Coryell Stadium courtesy of Qualcomm or Sempra? Naming right expire but the Coryell name live on with a new sponsor very ten years or so. Lots of ideas out there, we just need to get something concrete going.
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Post by aztecwin on Jul 11, 2017 6:55:04 GMT -8
I must wonder now that our Mayor has decided for what ever reason that he will not run for Gov that he might get behind SDSU. I think his plans got derailed by backing the wrong horse for the Qualcomm site and that he might get on board with SDSU. He is young enough to run later and would have a better chance by making a big splash in San Diego over the next few years. SDSU getting the Qualcomm site with his backing and maybe another big accomplishment or two could launch him for State wide office or more.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 11, 2017 7:03:37 GMT -8
We see our City Council be introduced to the idea and talking about declaring the Qualcomm Site surplus. We see folks around suggesting alternatives like Alvarado, Adobe Falls, Hardy Elementary and Balboa all of which have huge obstacles that would be very hard to overcome as possible locations For a new Stadium. We see hints of possible viable plans in the background by the lack of panic by the folks at SDSU. All of a sudden we hear very little from the Soccer City folks. That is possibly because San Diego has suddenly become pretty unattractive for Major Soccer League expansion. We see a minor Soccer team ready to locate and start up here. They would be mortally wounded should Major Soccer come here. That leads me to believe Soccer City has all but given up. All these little things lead me to believe something is in the works behind the curtain at SDSU and maybe the City and County. I hope that a solid plan will be unveiled soon so that people can get enthused and invested. How about getting people excited so they will buy a seat licenses, buy a brick or two and get a big deep pockets local company to front some money for naming rights? How about getting both the new Stadium and the Field named with a sponsor? Don Coryell Stadium courtesy of Qualcomm or Sempra? Naming right expire but the Coryell name live on with a new sponsor very ten years or so. Lots of ideas out there, we just need to get something concrete going. That "lack of panic" on the administration is torpor and impotence, laced with poorly disguised indifference.
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Post by fanhood on Jul 11, 2017 7:16:52 GMT -8
We see our City Council be introduced to the idea and talking about declaring the Qualcomm Site surplus. We see folks around suggesting alternatives like Alvarado, Adobe Falls, Hardy Elementary and Balboa all of which have huge obstacles that would be very hard to overcome as possible locations For a new Stadium. We see hints of possible viable plans in the background by the lack of panic by the folks at SDSU. All of a sudden we hear very little from the Soccer City folks. That is possibly because San Diego has suddenly become pretty unattractive for Major Soccer League expansion. We see a minor Soccer team ready to locate and start up here. They would be mortally wounded should Major Soccer come here. That leads me to believe Soccer City has all but given up. All these little things lead me to believe something is in the works behind the curtain at SDSU and maybe the City and County. I hope that a solid plan will be unveiled soon so that people can get enthused and invested. How about getting people excited so they will buy a seat licenses, buy a brick or two and get a big deep pockets local company to front some money for naming rights? How about getting both the new Stadium and the Field named with a sponsor? Don Coryell Stadium courtesy of Qualcomm or Sempra? Naming right expire but the Coryell name live on with a new sponsor very ten years or so. Lots of ideas out there, we just need to get something concrete going. Ok, so you have the same info we have. No bid deal, I just thought you had new info. I agree with what you say here, as SDSU has won every small battle since this War began. But, it is not over yet.
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Post by matteosandiego on Jul 11, 2017 7:27:35 GMT -8
We see our City Council be introduced to the idea and talking about declaring the Qualcomm Site surplus. We see folks around suggesting alternatives like Alvarado, Adobe Falls, Hardy Elementary and Balboa all of which have huge obstacles that would be very hard to overcome as possible locations For a new Stadium. We see hints of possible viable plans in the background by the lack of panic by the folks at SDSU. All of a sudden we hear very little from the Soccer City folks. That is possibly because San Diego has suddenly become pretty unattractive for Major Soccer League expansion. We see a minor Soccer team ready to locate and start up here. They would be mortally wounded should Major Soccer come here. That leads me to believe Soccer City has all but given up. All these little things lead me to believe something is in the works behind the curtain at SDSU and maybe the City and County. I hope that a solid plan will be unveiled soon so that people can get enthused and invested. How about getting people excited so they will buy a seat licenses, buy a brick or two and get a big deep pockets local company to front some money for naming rights? How about getting both the new Stadium and the Field named with a sponsor? Don Coryell Stadium courtesy of Qualcomm or Sempra? Naming right expire but the Coryell name live on with a new sponsor very ten years or so. Lots of ideas out there, we just need to get something concrete going. If you listen to the Sally Roush interview, i believe exactly what she said. They are still trying to develop a plan that can easily be ready to roll out IF the SoccerCity vote does not pass. Not a good strategy unless they make their plan clearly public this year so that it builds momentum against that 2018 vote. But first things first they need that Qualcomm stadium lease extension. If they get that, then i think we all can feel a lot more comfortable to draw any connection between the city and county working with SDSU to get something done. Again, it all comes down to MLS extending that expansion time frame for FS. Which i will agree with you that San Diego is starting to really lose its shine to that league. SoccerCity knows they are on the edge of being done, but... Their initiative is on the ballot, the people WILL get a chance to vote on it eventually. Their only job now is to get MLS to extend the time. Its a longshot but they do have a punchers chance.
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Post by mactec on Jul 11, 2017 7:46:10 GMT -8
I'm not sure the land is big enough for a football stadium. The surrounding land is all canyons, so I'm not sure how hard it would be to develop (but someone feel free to correct me). The land is about 350 meters feet wide and 800 meters feet tall (each bracket = 200m). It's not a rectangular lot of land so the a stadium would have to be narrower than that. For comparison, Stub Hub Center, which is a 30,000 capacity soccer stadium is about 600 m ft x 700 m ft for just the stadium! Even Grossmont's Football Stadium, with a capacity of probably 1,000 is about 400 meters feet long. So unless that land surrounding the plot of land is buildable, I don't see it happening.
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Post by myownwords on Jul 11, 2017 7:46:15 GMT -8
We see our City Council be introduced to the idea and talking about declaring the Qualcomm Site surplus. We see folks around suggesting alternatives like Alvarado, Adobe Falls, Hardy Elementary and Balboa all of which have huge obstacles that would be very hard to overcome as possible locations For a new Stadium. We see hints of possible viable plans in the background by the lack of panic by the folks at SDSU. All of a sudden we hear very little from the Soccer City folks. That is possibly because San Diego has suddenly become pretty unattractive for Major Soccer League expansion. We see a minor Soccer team ready to locate and start up here. They would be mortally wounded should Major Soccer come here. That leads me to believe Soccer City has all but given up. All these little things lead me to believe something is in the works behind the curtain at SDSU and maybe the City and County. I hope that a solid plan will be unveiled soon so that people can get enthused and invested. How about getting people excited so they will buy a seat licenses, buy a brick or two and get a big deep pockets local company to front some money for naming rights? How about getting both the new Stadium and the Field named with a sponsor? Don Coryell Stadium courtesy of Qualcomm or Sempra? Naming right expire but the Coryell name live on with a new sponsor very ten years or so. Lots of ideas out there, we just need to get something concrete going. If you listen to the Sally Roush interview, i believe exactly what she said. They are still trying to develop a plan that can easily be ready to roll out IF the SoccerCity vote does not pass. Not a good strategy unless they make their plan clearly public this year so that it builds momentum against that 2018 vote. But first things first they need that Qualcomm stadium lease extension. If they get that, then i think we all can feel a lot more comfortable to draw any connection between the city and county working with SDSU to get something done. Again, it all comes down to MLS extending that expansion time frame for FS. Which i will agree with you that San Diego is starting to really lose its shine to that league. SoccerCity knows they are on the edge of being done, but... Their initiative is on the ballot, the people WILL get a chance to vote on it eventually. Their only job now is to get MLS to extend the time. Its a longshot but they do have a punchers chance. Matteosandiego, you truly are a very nice guy. You are so willing to give this administration the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not able to find the potpourri that you enjoy. All I'm smelling is patchouli oil masking the stink that they've allowed to fester. Any sound business entity would have wrapped up that lease issue IN WRITING, months, or even years ago. They certainly would not have sat around waiting, mouths agape, while time passed and pissed away opportunities.
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Post by matteosandiego on Jul 11, 2017 8:56:03 GMT -8
If you listen to the Sally Roush interview, i believe exactly what she said. They are still trying to develop a plan that can easily be ready to roll out IF the SoccerCity vote does not pass. Not a good strategy unless they make their plan clearly public this year so that it builds momentum against that 2018 vote. But first things first they need that Qualcomm stadium lease extension. If they get that, then i think we all can feel a lot more comfortable to draw any connection between the city and county working with SDSU to get something done. Again, it all comes down to MLS extending that expansion time frame for FS. Which i will agree with you that San Diego is starting to really lose its shine to that league. SoccerCity knows they are on the edge of being done, but... Their initiative is on the ballot, the people WILL get a chance to vote on it eventually. Their only job now is to get MLS to extend the time. Its a longshot but they do have a punchers chance. Matteosandiego, you truly are a very nice guy. You are so willing to give this administration the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not able to find the potpourri that you enjoy. All I'm smelling is patchouli oil masking the stink that they've allowed to fester. Any sound business entity would have wrapped up that lease issue IN WRITING, months, or even years ago. They certainly would not have sat around waiting, mouths agape, while time passed and pissed away opportunities. How you took my response as everything is coming up roses is beyond me. I gave equal arguments to each side making their plan a reality. The facts for SDSU are that they need to reveal a viable plan that can rival FS. They dont necessarily need the Qualcomm lease extension. The facts for FS is they need an extension on the expansion decision for their vote. Both are challenging for both sides. Nothing is locked up or guaranteed. That is the reality. Not giving a thing. Just stating what we know. You can have your own conjecture, but all any of us can go off or hold people to right now, is what they have said publicly. Anything else is just guessing. All that i've stated are the facts. You think the admin is just sitting around not doing a thing? Thats pretty extreme. I dont deal with extremes. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. There are always two sides to the coin. You can be critical saying any business entity wouldve wrapped up that lease...but you dont realize the other side of the equation. The same can be said about FS investors/Mayor not wrapping up their many loose ends. They are on equal footing in my opinion-especially now that the vote is pushed to 2018.
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Post by AzTex on Jul 11, 2017 9:01:20 GMT -8
Matteosandiego, you truly are a very nice guy. You are so willing to give this administration the benefit of the doubt. I'm just not able to find the potpourri that you enjoy. All I'm smelling is patchouli oil masking the stink that they've allowed to fester. Any sound business entity would have wrapped up that lease issue IN WRITING, months, or even years ago. They certainly would not have sat around waiting, mouths agape, while time passed and pissed away opportunities. How you took my response as everything is coming up roses is beyond me. I gave equal arguments to each side making their plan a reality. The facts for SDSU are that they need to reveal a viable plan that can rival FS. They dont necessarily need the Qualcomm lease extension. The facts for FS is they need an extension on the expansion decision for their vote. Both are challenging for both sides. Nothing is locked up or guaranteed. That is the reality. Not giving a thing. Just stating what we know. You can have your own conjecture, but all any of us can go off or hold people to right now, is what they have said publicly. Anything else is just guessing. All that i've stated are the facts. You think the admin is just sitting around not doing a thing? Thats pretty extreme. I dont deal with extremes. The truth is always somewhere in the middle. There are always two sides to the coin. You can be critical saying any business entity wouldve wrapped up that lease...but you dont realize the other side of the equation.The same can be said about FS investors/Mayor not wrapping up their many loose ends. They are on equal footing in my opinion-especially now that the vote is pushed to 2018. The best, most powerful business entity in the world with a huge staff of the best negotiators in the world can't wrap up a lease if the other party won't pick up a pen and sign.
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