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Post by FLAztec4Life on May 16, 2017 9:52:14 GMT -8
We have all posted about how we need 6'10"-7'0 center to become like Gonzaga, or what ever team you think we should be like. At this point, we might be out of luck with any or all transfer available. I for one am guilty for several "the sky is falling" post, but I had a thought this morning. We can't control that we are in a G5 conference. Nor can we change the fact that P5 teams come in last minute and offer kids that we are interested in. What we can control is how we support and back our school....even when it's tough. I think we have become spoiled with all the hoopla that comes with having a great team, going to a sweet 16 and 5min left in the game records. Let's not forget that the team that started it all were not 5 stars or even 4 star big time recruits! They were guys that were passed over and had a chip on their shoulders. We want and need those players....regardless of stars.
Build it with players that believe in SDSU, that have always wanted to be an Aztec!! No matter if we win or lose, i know we can support those kinds of players. J. Franklin is a player we love to hate, but every game he gave his all...we need that fire and spirit again!!!
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Post by podpeople on May 16, 2017 10:18:06 GMT -8
We have all posted about how we need 6'10"-7'0 center to become like Gonzaga, or what ever team you think we should be like. At this point, we might be out of luck with any or all transfer available. I for one am guilty for several "the sky is falling" post, but I had a thought this morning. We can't control that we are in a G5 conference. Nor can we change the fact that P5 teams come in last minute and offer kids that we are interested in. What we can control is how we support and back our school....even when it's tough. I think we have become spoiled with all the hoopla that comes with having a great team, going to a sweet 16 and 5min left in the game records. Let's not forget that the team that started it all were not 5 stars or even 4 star big time recruits! They were guys that were passed over and had a chip on their shoulders. We want and need those players....regardless of stars. Build it with players that believe in SDSU, that have always wanted to be an Aztec!! No matter if we win or lose, i know we can support those kinds of players. J. Franklin is a player we love to hate, but every game he gave his all...we need that fire and spirit again!!! I agree! |
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Post by ab on May 17, 2017 9:06:34 GMT -8
We have all posted about how we need 6'10"-7'0 center to become like Gonzaga, or what ever team you think we should be like. At this point, we might be out of luck with any or all transfer available. I for one am guilty for several "the sky is falling" post, but I had a thought this morning. We can't control that we are in a G5 conference. Nor can we change the fact that P5 teams come in last minute and offer kids that we are interested in. What we can control is how we support and back our school....even when it's tough. I think we have become spoiled with all the hoopla that comes with having a great team, going to a sweet 16 and 5min left in the game records. Let's not forget that the team that started it all were not 5 stars or even 4 star big time recruits! They were guys that were passed over and had a chip on their shoulders. We want and need those players....regardless of stars. Build it with players that believe in SDSU, that have always wanted to be an Aztec!! No matter if we win or lose, i know we can support those kinds of players. J. Franklin is a player we love to hate, but every game he gave his all...we need that fire and spirit again!!! All good but so far we're getting nuttin |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 17, 2017 9:13:52 GMT -8
As I read these recruiting/transfer threads related to centers and power forwards, a movie clip of Brian Doyle Murray from "Christmas Vacation" where he picks up his phone and says: "get me somebody, get me anybody" plays in my AZTEC mind!  |
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Post by standiego on May 17, 2017 10:41:24 GMT -8
IMO we have a decent group of players on the roster - If they show talent the coaches and many of expected we could do well . Execution and Production . IMO also need adjustments in the offensive schemes . Movement , sharing the basketball and using our athleticism, attacking the basket .
The missing part of the puzzle is a physical guy that wants to play near the basket - We do not have that guy . Guy that plays on both ends of the court but especially likes to rebound and defend . We are going to play physical teams so will need help in those areas . They guy can be 6'8 or 6'9" , does Not have to be 7 ft tall .
P5 schools do get the cream when recruiting as always . Recruiting is the hardest part about coaching and So need to find the next level of guys and develop them . Recruiting involves some severe battles , that we need to come away with a quality ONE .
Coaches tried with a good first wave of recruits early but lost Ahmed , Wooten , Jeter(2018 ) . Next wave had Rooks ( still waiting to hear )
Many of the top grad transfers are taken . But there are some options still there . Have we contacted them and what they have told our coaches do not have any clue ?. K Rooks( we are in his top 4 with Zags and G-Town )is he who we are hoping to sign ? , Mikyle McIntosh ( NBA or being heavily recruited Beavers ... ) Akoy Agau ( Ill is trying hard to sign him - he has 2 years to play ) , Walter Foster( likes to play D and rebound ) , D.Williams ( St Johns - originally from San Francisco area other names that can de tossed around Coleby, Mbargorba , Kasongo, N'diaye , Bhuler, Verhagen , Madrid -Andrews , ....
There is also Kavell B-W from the Ducks but he would have to sit 2017 and play 2018 .
To me bar has been set and do believe many of us expect the team to at least get to MM or better . To do that you do need recruit and develop quality players .
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Post by podpeople on May 17, 2017 14:10:00 GMT -8
Honestly though, how have we not landed anyone with 3 spots open? This is getting bizarre.
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Post by Gundo on May 17, 2017 16:28:13 GMT -8
"always a bridesmaid, never a bride." PAC 12 schools getting better, have higher profiles and we havent made the tournament for the last years, Coach Fisher retires and this years Aztecs ended the season 6th in the MWC. Aztecs making it tough on itself to secure players.
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Post by aztecanthony on May 17, 2017 17:34:20 GMT -8
"always a bridesmaid, never a bride." PAC 12 schools getting better, have higher profiles and we havent made the tournament for the last years, Coach Fisher retires and this years Aztecs ended the season 6th in the MWC. Aztecs making it tough on itself to secure players. We've lost our recruiting mystique, we just need 1 good signing to get it back. They say the NFL is a copycat league, I think the same holds true in recruiting. I expect UNLV will get real good fast, more so because of all the recruits who follow McCoy. |
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Post by aztecsfan05 on May 17, 2017 18:11:08 GMT -8
The real issue is the bigger schools caught up. UCLA wouldn't recruit CA with Howland. Now they do with Alford. USC was garbage in recruiting, now they have Hart and Bland. Arizona was still Arizona, Oregon improved. Washington was recruiting well with Romar and Cal with Martin. Essentially we were the best team in California and that isn't the case any longer. It is harder especially with UCLA and USC doing well with Southern California kids. Add the Parrish article slowing down our momentum, now you're going uphill.
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Post by azteccc on May 18, 2017 10:38:27 GMT -8
The real issue is the bigger schools caught up. UCLA wouldn't recruit CA with Howland. Now they do with Alford. USC was garbage in recruiting, now they have Hart and Bland. Arizona was still Arizona, Oregon improved. Washington was recruiting well with Romar and Cal with Martin. Essentially we were the best team in California and that isn't the case any longer. It is harder especially with UCLA and USC doing well with Southern California kids. Add the Parrish article slowing down our momentum, now you're going uphill. No one wants to think about nuance they just want to stomp their feet and say "Wahhhh what's wrong with us our staff sucks our system sucks our team sucks we're doooooooomed" |
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Post by partytecs on May 18, 2017 11:29:53 GMT -8
The real issue is the bigger schools caught up. UCLA wouldn't recruit CA with Howland. Now they do with Alford. USC was garbage in recruiting, now they have Hart and Bland. Arizona was still Arizona, Oregon improved. Washington was recruiting well with Romar and Cal with Martin. Essentially we were the best team in California and that isn't the case any longer. It is harder especially with UCLA and USC doing well with Southern California kids. Add the Parrish article slowing down our momentum, now you're going uphill. Fan, good post. I also think that there have been other changes that have effected our recruiting. 1) P5 and G5, which is money to support athletics 2) Legal payments they get their food and board 3) P5 schools are now a lot more active in the transfer market whereas before they would stay in the high school recruiting market. |
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Post by standiego on May 18, 2017 14:16:53 GMT -8
The PAC schools or at least UCLA and Arizona used to be very good . Then there was a dip for 2 to 3 years - Especially when we had K. Leonard ( who we recruited early and He stayed loyal to his commitment to SDSU - rather than the late rush from the PAC schools ) and BYU had Jimmer . Zags have been the best G5 school in the West - as they really have the connections on recruiting . Now a days you need it in AAU circles , across the US , even contacts abroad and show success with transfers .
Then the pendulum went back to the PAC schools . As pointed out Money and facilities - started to really provide the difference between PAC and MW . Then other PAC schools were able to hire better coaches and emphasized the extra benefits of PAC vs MW . So now DUCKS , USC , .... have also become players in the MM tournaments . They also were able to hire coaches who could really recruit . Get the quality players and you usually win games . Do they guess PAC will have 5 guys drafted in NBA first round ? possibly the top 2 ? While MW has become 1 bid conference and not likely to have a first round selection in NBA . recruits do notice the teams that get to MM and get players drafted .
MW seems to have to rely on developing guys that take 2 to 4 years , plus transfers - again PAC get the cream . Same with getting players from abroad .
We have a good group of players , but could really use a quality physical down low on both ends of the court to make us very competitive - Can we get one ?- certainly hope so . But G5 coaches have to really work to get them . Our Coaches Tried with Ahmed, Wooten , Jeter they all saw better P5 options . Next wave ?
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Post by podpeople on May 18, 2017 19:43:05 GMT -8
We really need to push our Kawhi factor more. I really think it will eventually bring more kids our way.
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Post by standiego on May 19, 2017 6:55:20 GMT -8
There is no doubt that our coaches do mention K. Leonard every opportunity they can . We get recruits who see themselves as being close to his style . Problem is that we do not have a strong reputation for guys that play the 4 or 5 and getting them playing in NBA . Our coaches are out there trying but sure seems they really need an extra effort to get the visits and more importantly signing .
To me very important for Malik , Nolan and Jalen to have banner seasons . Need to involve our front court in the scoring . To free them up need a physical guy down low to help them out on both sides of the court .
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Post by richpjr on May 19, 2017 11:20:07 GMT -8
The real issue is the bigger schools caught up. UCLA wouldn't recruit CA with Howland. Now they do with Alford. USC was garbage in recruiting, now they have Hart and Bland. Arizona was still Arizona, Oregon improved. Washington was recruiting well with Romar and Cal with Martin. Essentially we were the best team in California and that isn't the case any longer. It is harder especially with UCLA and USC doing well with Southern California kids. Add the Parrish article slowing down our momentum, now you're going uphill. No one wants to think about nuance they just want to stomp their feet and say "Wahhhh what's wrong with us our staff sucks our system sucks our team sucks we're doooooooomed" In the end, does it really matter if one looks at the nuances or stomps their feet? The bottom line is the program peaked several years ago and is now fading. We went from Sweet 16 team to 6th place in a really bad conference. Our legendary coach is now gone and who knows how Dutcher will turn out. We are having trouble recruiting anyone big and could have some nightmare match up problems this upcoming season. I have pretty low expectations for this season - I'm hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. |
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Post by azteccc on May 19, 2017 11:41:32 GMT -8
No one wants to think about nuance they just want to stomp their feet and say "Wahhhh what's wrong with us our staff sucks our system sucks our team sucks we're doooooooomed" In the end, does it really matter if one looks at the nuances or stomps their feet? The bottom line is the program peaked several years ago and is now fading. We went from Sweet 16 team to 6th place in a really bad conference. Our legendary coach is now gone and who knows how Dutcher will turn out. We are having trouble recruiting anyone big and could have some nightmare match up problems this upcoming season. I have pretty low expectations for this season - I'm hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised. In the end, no, it doesn't matter outside of maybe making this place marginally more bearable. Also, in the end, it doesn't matter what internet psotters say "the bottom line" is, because that is not a measureable metric or tangible thing in any sense. I'm not singling you out for doing anything, just responding here since you quoted me... but it amazes me that people think the history of Aztec basketball started in 2010-11, and it amazes me that people thought/assumed(?) that because we had one of the longest NCAA tourney streaks in the nation that we would never miss the tournament again. It amazes me that people think just because we got some four stars and like 2 asterisk five stars, that we were all of a sudden going to be poaching Duke and Arizona. There are WAY too many people slopping around here with a sense of entitlement to success. |
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Post by FLAztec4Life on May 19, 2017 20:40:41 GMT -8
Give me 3* grinders that want to prove the world wrong any day over intitled 5* players.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 9:53:30 GMT -8
The collective memory of fans is irrelevant. You may remember Don and Madden on campus, recruits obviously do not. 15-17 year old basketball recruits are very unlikely to remember Kawhi's playing days or even the MWC being a four to five bid conference with a stout RPI. By the time the current crop of high school guys were getting recruited (which is likely when they started paying close attention) we were an offensively limited team that squeaked into the tourney one year and then failed to make the cut two consecutive years. Last year's disappointing season will be fresh and will color their perceptions. Kawhi's legacy at SDSU will remain strong with the fan base, but will eventually be as relevant as Cage, Holcomb, Sipe, Santos, and McGwire
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Post by standiego on May 20, 2017 10:30:12 GMT -8
thought we have heard numerous times that the Aztec coaches do not pre - evaluate recruits by the * 's they supposedly are rated . Notice that our 2 HS recruits for 2017 are not five star guys . do not think we have been able to get a top 25 rated recruit to sign and play here .
Our coaches will happily use K.Leonard 's NBA success as long as they can and it helps . But recruits also look at the current team , its system and see if it is a match for them . So what are we doing lately is very important .
We need the final player for 2017 - a physical guy down low .IMO very important . Can we sign a quality grad transfer - do not know . For 2018 , there are a couple of possible recruits playing in San Diego at an event this weekend . Plus we are still waiting for possible regular transfers .
Toughest and possibly most important part of coaching is being able to analyze good talented recruits and then sign them . After that is being able to develop them . Especially if we are not able to get those top rated recruits .
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Post by azteccc on May 20, 2017 11:24:43 GMT -8
The collective memory of fans is irrelevant. You may remember Don and Madden on campus, recruits obviously do not. 15-17 year old basketball recruits are very unlikely to remember Kawhi's playing days or even the MWC being a four to five bid conference with a stout RPI. By the time the current crop of high school guys were getting recruited (which is likely when they started paying close attention) we were an offensively limited team that squeaked into the tourney one year and then failed to make the cut two consecutive years. Last year's disappointing season will be fresh and will color their perceptions. Kawhi's legacy at SDSU will remain strong with the fan base, but will eventually be as relevant as Cage, Holcomb, Sipe, Santos, and McGwire So the players we were recruiting in 2008 what did they remember |
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