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Post by waztec on Nov 11, 2010 8:47:27 GMT -8
Apparently, the lazy unemployed, who don't want to work, are a drag on taxpayers, want to live a leisure lifestyle, and generally repudiate hard work and personal responsibility, according to the Conservative Party, end up being held responsible-anyway. Conservatives validated!  The unemployed get sick and die more frequently than those who the Conservative Party would say are contributing as they should. The effects last for many years after their bout of unemployment. Read the article and see how the unemployed pay dearly for losing their jobs. And some here would not pay a dime to help them. I just don't get it. www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/10/job.loss.toll/index.html?iref=allsearch |
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Post by AztecBill on Nov 11, 2010 13:06:42 GMT -8
Apparently, the lazy unemployed, who don't want to work, are a drag on taxpayers, want to live a leisure lifestyle, and generally repudiate hard work and personal responsibility, according to the Conservative Party, end up being held responsible-anyway. Conservatives validated! The unemployed get sick and die more frequently than those who the Conservative Party would say are contributing as they should. The effects last for many years after their bout of unemployment. Read the article and see how the unemployed pay dearly for losing their jobs. And some here would not pay a dime to help them. I just don't get it. www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/10/job.loss.toll/index.html?iref=allsearchThe unemployed are paid not to work. It is a very simple case of supply and demand. If you think not, ask yourself, if unemployment benefits paid $100,000 a year would the number of people willing to not work go up or down? The number of unemployed who find work the week before or the week after benefits expire is more than those who find work from 2 weeks after they lose their jobs up until a week before benefits expire. 90% find work within 2 weeks or very close to the expiration of their benefits. |
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Post by waztec on Nov 11, 2010 13:19:53 GMT -8
Apparently, the lazy unemployed, who don't want to work, are a drag on taxpayers, want to live a leisure lifestyle, and generally repudiate hard work and personal responsibility, according to the Conservative Party, end up being held responsible-anyway. Conservatives validated! The unemployed get sick and die more frequently than those who the Conservative Party would say are contributing as they should. The effects last for many years after their bout of unemployment. Read the article and see how the unemployed pay dearly for losing their jobs. And some here would not pay a dime to help them. I just don't get it. www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/10/job.loss.toll/index.html?iref=allsearchThe unemployed are paid not to work. It is a very simple case of supply and demand. If you think not, ask yourself, if unemployment benefits paid $100,000 a year would the number of people willing to not work go up or down? The number of unemployed who find work the week before or the week after benefits expire is more than those who find work from 2 weeks after they lose their jobs up until a week before benefits expire. 90% find work within 2 weeks or very close to the expiration of their benefits. And yet they die sooner, because they are having so much fun. I know that I want to be unemployed so that I am more likely to be sick. Did you see the Mad Hatter? He just ran by your post. I have to apologize, not for how I feel, but for my passion. The CNN article about how the unemployed are damaged by the experience affected me greatly. I have some work experience with the effect that unemployment has on souls. Certainly we can show more compassion than just telling them to find a job, or blame them for "milking" the system. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 11, 2010 15:42:12 GMT -8
Apparently, the lazy unemployed, who don't want to work, are a drag on taxpayers, want to live a leisure lifestyle, and generally repudiate hard work and personal responsibility, according to the Conservative Party, end up being held responsible-anyway. Conservatives validated! The unemployed get sick and die more frequently than those who the Conservative Party would say are contributing as they should. The effects last for many years after their bout of unemployment. Read the article and see how the unemployed pay dearly for losing their jobs. And some here would not pay a dime to help them. I just don't get it. www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/10/job.loss.toll/index.html?iref=allsearchThe unemployed are paid not to work. It is a very simple case of supply and demand. If you think not, ask yourself, if unemployment benefits paid $100,000 a year would the number of people willing to not work go up or down? The number of unemployed who find work the week before or the week after benefits expire is more than those who find work from 2 weeks after they lose their jobs up until a week before benefits expire. 90% find work within 2 weeks or very close to the expiration of their benefits. 90% find work within 2 weeks or very close to the expiration of their benefits I call bull$#!+. Please provide a link. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 12, 2010 6:19:18 GMT -8
There are a lot of people that I work with who hate coming in to work, and if they could get by financially (even if reducing their lifestyle) without working they would do it in a heartbeat.
They take their maximum allowed time off, call in as many sick days as they can get away with, and leave early whenever possible.
People with that mindset make up a rather large percentage of the workforce wherever I have worked. Does that mean that they represent a majority of the unemployed out there (people who are getting paid despite not working)? Probably not, but they do clearly represent a large percentage of the population who get tired of the daily grind after 15 or 20 years of doing it day after day.
I've got a pretty good work ethic, but even I get burned out from time to time. I'm looking forward to retirement despite the fact that I won't even get to retire for another 25 or so years.
Again, a majority of people who are out of work are putting in a strong effort to get jobs, but there is also a significant percentage who are enjoying their break from work. People do get tired of the grind.
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Post by waztec on Nov 12, 2010 19:12:05 GMT -8
There are a lot of people that I work with who hate coming in to work, and if they could get by financially (even if reducing their lifestyle) without working they would do it in a heartbeat. They take their maximum allowed time off, call in as many sick days as they can get away with, and leave early whenever possible. People with that mindset make up a rather large percentage of the workforce wherever I have worked. Does that mean that they represent a majority of the unemployed out there (people who are getting paid despite not working)? Probably not, but they do clearly represent a large percentage of the population who get tired of the daily grind after 15 or 20 years of doing it day after day. I've got a pretty good work ethic, but even I get burned out from time to time. I'm looking forward to retirement despite the fact that I won't even get to retire for another 25 or so years. Again, a majority of people who are out of work are putting in a strong effort to get jobs, but there is also a significant percentage who are enjoying their break from work. People do get tired of the grind. And I am telling you that the medical community says unemployment makes people sick. Since unemployment really messes people up you are saying they still prefer it? I prefer to have 180 quintillion dollars. You can pay me off in installments. ;D |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 12, 2010 19:17:22 GMT -8
The unemployed are paid not to work. It is a very simple case of supply and demand. If you think not, ask yourself, if unemployment benefits paid $100,000 a year would the number of people willing to not work go up or down? The number of unemployed who find work the week before or the week after benefits expire is more than those who find work from 2 weeks after they lose their jobs up until a week before benefits expire. 90% find work within 2 weeks or very close to the expiration of their benefits. 90% find work within 2 weeks or very close to the expiration of their benefits I call bull$#!+. Please provide a link. One thing I know for certain. They do not receive benefits AFTER they have started working. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 12, 2010 19:26:26 GMT -8
There are a lot of people that I work with who hate coming in to work, and if they could get by financially (even if reducing their lifestyle) without working they would do it in a heartbeat. They take their maximum allowed time off, call in as many sick days as they can get away with, and leave early whenever possible. People with that mindset make up a rather large percentage of the workforce wherever I have worked. Does that mean that they represent a majority of the unemployed out there (people who are getting paid despite not working)? Probably not, but they do clearly represent a large percentage of the population who get tired of the daily grind after 15 or 20 years of doing it day after day. I've got a pretty good work ethic, but even I get burned out from time to time. I'm looking forward to retirement despite the fact that I won't even get to retire for another 25 or so years. Again, a majority of people who are out of work are putting in a strong effort to get jobs, but there is also a significant percentage who are enjoying their break from work. People do get tired of the grind. And I am telling you that the medical community says unemployment makes people sick. Since unemployment really messes people up you are saying they still prefer it? I prefer to have 180 quintillion dollars. You can pay me off in installments. ;D A real man with real hormones is by nature a provider. It is instinctual to him to provide for a wife and kids. A home might be a cave or a simple hut. In primitive times he would go out hunting and bring home a deer (pig, rabbits, squirrels) every week to feed his family. His woman might gather berries or dig up roots. Now, we have taken the deer and the roots out of the equation and we go to the grocery store and homes cost money. Big Money. To lose a job now-a-days means that the man is not providing, and that results in depression and stress. Both are killers. When depressed and stressed men and women are far more prone to get sick. Men especially are prone to die from those illnesses. During the Depression, lots of men died young. It was an ugly time. Such time is upon us again and the rich sons of bitches scoff and mock the poor. The greedy grab and leave the sick to starve and feel good about it. That ain't right. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 12, 2010 20:36:31 GMT -8
There are a lot of people that I work with who hate coming in to work, and if they could get by financially (even if reducing their lifestyle) without working they would do it in a heartbeat. They take their maximum allowed time off, call in as many sick days as they can get away with, and leave early whenever possible. People with that mindset make up a rather large percentage of the workforce wherever I have worked. Does that mean that they represent a majority of the unemployed out there (people who are getting paid despite not working)? Probably not, but they do clearly represent a large percentage of the population who get tired of the daily grind after 15 or 20 years of doing it day after day. I've got a pretty good work ethic, but even I get burned out from time to time. I'm looking forward to retirement despite the fact that I won't even get to retire for another 25 or so years. Again, a majority of people who are out of work are putting in a strong effort to get jobs, but there is also a significant percentage who are enjoying their break from work. People do get tired of the grind. And I am telling you that the medical community says unemployment makes people sick. Since unemployment really messes people up you are saying they still prefer it? Some do. I've got multiple neighbors who are out of work and spend ZERO time trying to get a job. They just take their unemployment checks to buy their food and hang out all day in their garages shooting the breeze while I drive 60 miles to work, put in an 8 hour day, and drive 60 miles back. And they've kept their homes and seem pretty stress-free. Seriously, some people seem to view it as an extended vacation. There is so much public assistance out there these days that most people are in no danger of going hungry. |
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Post by waztec on Nov 12, 2010 20:47:38 GMT -8
Attitude is one thing and eating is something else. And I am telling you that the medical community says unemployment makes people sick. Since unemployment really messes people up you are saying they still prefer it? Some do. I've got multiple neighbors who are out of work and spend ZERO time trying to get a job. They just take their unemployment checks to buy their food and hang out all day in their garages shooting the breeze while I drive 60 miles to work, put in an 8 hour day, and drive 60 miles back. And they've kept their homes and seem pretty stress-free. Seriously, some people seem to view it as an extended vacation. There is so much public assistance out there these days that most people are in no danger of going hungry. You give me anecdotal evidence and I am telling you that no matter what you think you see, scientists say being out of work makes people sick, affects them for tens of years after and kills them. How in heaven's name do you know if someone is stressed or sick? How do you know that their nonchalance is just a shield? How can you be indifferent to the scientific evidence? I wish I worked just eight hours a day.  |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 12, 2010 23:04:40 GMT -8
Some do. I've got multiple neighbors who are out of work and spend ZERO time trying to get a job. They just take their unemployment checks to buy their food and hang out all day in their garages shooting the breeze while I drive 60 miles to work, put in an 8 hour day, and drive 60 miles back. And they've kept their homes and seem pretty stress-free. Seriously, some people seem to view it as an extended vacation. There is so much public assistance out there these days that most people are in no danger of going hungry. You give me anecdotal evidence and I am telling you that no matter what you think you see, scientists say being out of work makes people sick, affects them for tens of years after and kills them. How in heaven's name do you know if someone is stressed or sick? How do you know that their nonchalance is just a shield? How can you be indifferent to the scientific evidence? Because I've been out of work myself. Twice in the 90's. Once during the big early 90's recession, and once a couple of years later. I just looked at it as finding a job was my new job, I cut back on expenses and kept a positive attitude. I'm not that exceptional that I'm in some upper 5% or something like that. I'm pretty much just an average, ordinary guy. If I can keep a positive attitude and not have any major negative effects, then anyone can. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Nov 13, 2010 6:08:24 GMT -8
 The Obamas in India. They are working. They are working, representing the United States to the rest of the world. What a Great President. I am proud of his efforts in this regard. |
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Post by waztec on Nov 13, 2010 7:48:01 GMT -8
You give me anecdotal evidence and I am telling you that no matter what you think you see, scientists say being out of work makes people sick, affects them for tens of years after and kills them. How in heaven's name do you know if someone is stressed or sick? How do you know that their nonchalance is just a shield? How can you be indifferent to the scientific evidence? Because I've been out of work myself. Twice in the 90's. Once during the big early 90's recession, and once a couple of years later. I just looked at it as finding a job was my new job, I cut back on expenses and kept a positive attitude. I'm not that exceptional that I'm in some upper 5% or something like that. I'm pretty much just an average, ordinary guy. If I can keep a positive attitude and not have any major negative effects, then anyone can. I have been out of work too. I hated it and the pressure from everyone around me was unbelievable. I thought it was tough to have a positive attitude. I found a job paying less than half what I made from the job I left. But I stuck with it and have done better. My son was recently unemployed. He was under tremendous pressure from his girl friend who told him she would not have a relationship with a failure. And he was still working occasionally! He just found another job and the change in his countenance is astounding, so it is evident that he wanted to work too. You see? You worked hard to find a job and so did I. I think the vast majority of people want to work, because it satisfies something important in their lives. If they don't work there is probably something going on that you can't see. When you are rejected it can really mess with your mind. And that does not even address the income loss. I think the health statistics I quoted illustrate just how badly that rejection and loss of esteem hurts people. There is tremendous pressure in this country for people to conform to the norm. Step out of it and you will really catch it. One day I will tell you about the extreme pressure my German surname father, who had a draft exempt job in the Philadelphia area at the beginning of the WWII. He really caught hell because of it. (He ended up volunteering for PT Boat duty.) Uh, top five percent? I am not surprised. Please note that top five is about two standard deviations to the right on the old bell curve. That ain't average, my friend. |
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Post by waztec on Nov 13, 2010 7:52:58 GMT -8
The Obamas in India. They are working. They are working, representing the United States to the rest of the world. What a Great President. I am proud of his efforts in this regard. Joe, you crack me up. I have been told that my sense of humor is dry, but you are the reigning champ! ;D |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 13, 2010 8:13:30 GMT -8
Because I've been out of work myself. Twice in the 90's. Once during the big early 90's recession, and once a couple of years later. I just looked at it as finding a job was my new job, I cut back on expenses and kept a positive attitude. I'm not that exceptional that I'm in some upper 5% or something like that. I'm pretty much just an average, ordinary guy. If I can keep a positive attitude and not have any major negative effects, then anyone can. I have been out of work too. I hated it and the pressure from everyone around me was unbelievable. I thought it was tough to have a positive attitude. I found a job paying less than half what I made from the job I left. But I stuck with it and have done better. My son was recently unemployed. He was under tremendous pressure from his girl friend who told him she would not have a relationship with a failure. And he was still working occasionally! He just found another job and the change in his countenance is astounding, so it is evident that he wanted to work too. You see? You worked hard to find a job and so did I. I think the vast majority of people want to work, because it satisfies something important in their lives. If they don't work there is probably something going on that you can't see. When you are rejected it can really mess with your mind. And that does not even address the income loss. I think the health statistics I quoted illustrate just how badly that rejection and loss of esteem hurts people. There is tremendous pressure in this country for people to conform to the norm. Step out of it and you will really catch it. One day I will tell you about the extreme pressure my German surname father, who had a draft exempt job in the Philadelphia area at the beginning of the WWII. He really caught hell because of it. (He ended up volunteering for PT Boat duty.) Uh, top five percent? I am not surprised. Please note that top five is about two standard deviations to the right on the old bell curve. That ain't average, my friend. Wait, I do want to be clear on this - are you saying that I'm well above average?? I mean, I know I'm not stupid, and I know I've got a pretty good attitude when it comes to letting disappointment roll off me like water off a duck's back, but I'm well above average??? I just want to be clear on that. |
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 13, 2010 8:14:43 GMT -8
The Obamas in India. They are working. They are working, representing the United States to the rest of the world. What a Great President. I am proud of his efforts in this regard. Joe, you crack me up. I have been told that my sense of humor is dry, but you are the reigning champ! ;D There is hope for you if you can see the humor from Joe at the expense of the Obamas. |
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Post by waztec on Nov 13, 2010 9:35:51 GMT -8
Joe, you crack me up. I have been told that my sense of humor is dry, but you are the reigning champ! ;D There is hope for you if you can see the humor from Joe at the expense of the Obamas. Win, there is humor in just about everything. Its just that Joe's sense of humor tickles me. He is an extremely intelligent man. And, Obama is as fair a target for a good lampoon as anyone else. I gave it when Bush was president and I can take it with Obama in charge. |
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Post by waztec on Nov 13, 2010 9:37:37 GMT -8
I have been out of work too. I hated it and the pressure from everyone around me was unbelievable. I thought it was tough to have a positive attitude. I found a job paying less than half what I made from the job I left. But I stuck with it and have done better. My son was recently unemployed. He was under tremendous pressure from his girl friend who told him she would not have a relationship with a failure. And he was still working occasionally! He just found another job and the change in his countenance is astounding, so it is evident that he wanted to work too. You see? You worked hard to find a job and so did I. I think the vast majority of people want to work, because it satisfies something important in their lives. If they don't work there is probably something going on that you can't see. When you are rejected it can really mess with your mind. And that does not even address the income loss. I think the health statistics I quoted illustrate just how badly that rejection and loss of esteem hurts people. There is tremendous pressure in this country for people to conform to the norm. Step out of it and you will really catch it. One day I will tell you about the extreme pressure my German surname father, who had a draft exempt job in the Philadelphia area at the beginning of the WWII. He really caught hell because of it. (He ended up volunteering for PT Boat duty.) Uh, top five percent? I am not surprised. Please note that top five is about two standard deviations to the right on the old bell curve. That ain't average, my friend. Wait, I do want to be clear on this - are you saying that I'm well above average?? I mean, I know I'm not stupid, and I know I've got a pretty good attitude when it comes to letting disappointment roll off me like water off a duck's back, but I'm well above average??? I just want to be clear on that. Yes, you are a smart guy. Your posts speak for themselves. |
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 13, 2010 10:01:38 GMT -8
Wait, I do want to be clear on this - are you saying that I'm well above average?? I mean, I know I'm not stupid, and I know I've got a pretty good attitude when it comes to letting disappointment roll off me like water off a duck's back, but I'm well above average??? I just want to be clear on that. Yes, you are a smart guy. Your posts speak for themselves. And I don't even have a college degree! Well, since my status as, "Smart ass," err, I mean, "Smart guy," has been established I now decree that your posts on the political sub-forums are null and void due to their lack of common sense. Further, as an official, "Smart guy," I will now go to work to fix our broken state. I am counting on your support. ;D |
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Post by waztec on Nov 13, 2010 12:51:14 GMT -8
Yes, you are a smart guy. Your posts speak for themselves. And I don't even have a college degree! Well, since my status as, "Smart ass," err, I mean, "Smart guy," has been established I now decree that your posts on the political sub-forums are null and void due to their lack of common sense. Further, as an official, "Smart guy," I will now go to work to fix our broken state. I am counting on your support. ;D I am smart too and I throw it back at you. Your posts are null and void. ;D But they aren't, are they and neither are mine. If my posts made no sense you would not react to them as you do. At some level your defenses operate, because there is some truth in what I say. I am not threatened by the parts of your trope which may have truth to them, the truth being an objective concept and all. |
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