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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 12:11:42 GMT -8
Unless he is blocked from SD by the owners, my guess is outside Oakland, SD would be his first choice as he has a HUGE!!!!! built in fanbase already and only about 20+ million to draw from regionally. SA is great destination for the NFL also and they will eventually get a team, but he would need much more work to build his local audience, plus he has 2 of the strongest owners in the NFL in Texas that would probably not be happy about Davis poaching some of their fans. The last part of your argument (except the strongest owners part) fit like a glove for keeping the Raiders out of SD, as there would be 2 franchises who would be very concerned about a team taking some of THEIR fans. Houston is 200 miles from San Antonio, and Dallas is 275 miles away from SA, while Inglewood is only about 125 miles away from San Diego. I agree which is why the owners could certainly block a move by the Raiders, but it's a big difference in this case as the SD market is already an NFL market that the NFL owners would like to keep in the fold according to several rumors. SA would be more of a cannibalization as many of those local fans may already have allegiances to the Cowboys or Texans.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 12:26:20 GMT -8
The problem with that poll is that it was done right now when people are pissed at Spanos. The reality is that a new Stadium in San Diego would not just be for the Chargers. It would be for our 2 bowl games, which bring in thousands of tourists, for the Aztecs, for concerts and other major stadium events, etc. The stadium has to be sold as MUCH more than just a new stadium for the Chargers. It has to be marketed as a source of income for our city and a major event venue for the entire county. They also need to show how much Qualcomm stadium is costing the city right now. Quit tying the Stadium only to the Chargers and show believable and positive financial impact and it will pass! The current poll is very biased right now. Exactly! Anyone who actually believes these would be close to the real vote results just doesn’t have a clue how this all works. It’s like trying to sell Toyota’s and Honda’s the day after Pearl Harbor (well maybe that’s an extreme example) or perhaps Lebron James returning to Cleveland. Any initiative would not only be a joint venture between the city and team (whatever team), with presentation focused on how the project would benefit the citizens of the region and would also be after a lengthy goodwill initiative by the team towards the fans. That being said, obviously there will still be a certain segment whether it be non-sports fans, political bias and those who just can’t see past the recent events that would still vote against ANY initiative. However, a simple majority vote would be a no-brain success with a push as would a 2/3 vote a guaranteed failure, so it’s up to the mayor to figure out what path he wants to take given the chance to lock in a team for the next 30 years. If we're talking about downtown, a 2/3 vote is going to be extremely difficult to get, probably almost impossible since Comic-Con wants a contiguous CC and the Briggs initiative supports a stadium/CC expansion at the bus yard. And the time frame to get that all done is way too long. If we're talking about MV and a simple majority, then it's a different story. If Spanos realizes that's his best bet and doesn't want to take the risk and debt of LA, then he'll go all in on it and a simple majority is not the impossible task that some here would like to believe. I'd love to see a downtown stadium and SDSU getting the rights to MV for a campus expansion and a possible football/MLS stadium but the chances on that happening are just about nil IMO.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 12:27:05 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 12:40:00 GMT -8
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 12:42:44 GMT -8
Exactly! Anyone who actually believes these would be close to the real vote results just doesn’t have a clue how this all works. It’s like trying to sell Toyota’s and Honda’s the day after Pearl Harbor (well maybe that’s an extreme example) or perhaps Lebron James returning to Cleveland. Any initiative would not only be a joint venture between the city and team (whatever team), with presentation focused on how the project would benefit the citizens of the region and would also be after a lengthy goodwill initiative by the team towards the fans. That being said, obviously there will still be a certain segment whether it be non-sports fans, political bias and those who just can’t see past the recent events that would still vote against ANY initiative. However, a simple majority vote would be a no-brain success with a push as would a 2/3 vote a guaranteed failure, so it’s up to the mayor to figure out what path he wants to take given the chance to lock in a team for the next 30 years. If we're talking about downtown, a 2/3 vote is going to be extremely difficult to get, probably almost impossible since Comic-Con wants a contiguous CC and the Briggs initiative supports a stadium/CC expansion at the bus yard. And the time frame to get that all done is way too long. If we're talking about MV and a simple majority, then it's a different story. If Spanos realizes that's his best bet and doesn't want to take the risk and debt of LA, then he'll go all in on it and a simple majority is not the impossible task that some here would like to believe. I'd love to see a downtown stadium and SDSU getting the rights to MV for a campus expansion and a possible football/MLS stadium but the chances on that happening are just about nil IMO. Agree. In a perfect world would be downtown stadium (although I am still not a fan of the traffic in and out of downtown in this scenario), contiguous center and SDSU/smaller venue in MV. I know there have been those lately that have said it could be done, but unfortunately we don’t have civic leaders or citizens that think like a big city around here, so will most likely have to be a compromise of some sort. Of course still academic as at any time the Chargers could be heading north.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 12:48:12 GMT -8
I absolutely agree, each minute that passes the Rams get a stronger hold in LA. Which is why if Spanos REALLY wanted to be in LA no matter what, he would have worked with the NFL at the meetings to make sure this was a level playing field out of the starting gate (not that he was ever going to win).
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Post by laaztec on Jan 18, 2016 13:12:55 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 13:15:34 GMT -8
I absolutely agree, each minute that passes the Rams get a stronger hold in LA. Which is why if Spanos REALLY wanted to be in LA no matter what, he would have worked with the NFL at the meetings to make sure this was a level playing field out of the starting gate (not that he was ever going to win). Exactly. Spanos is supposedly the one who asked for the option to come back to SD. Why in the world would he ask for that then turn around and go to LA one week later? Wouldn't the obvious move be to go in simultaneously with the Rams? No one gives a crap about the Chargers in LA in the first place but even delaying the announcement one hour after the Rams would spell doom. $100 million is a lot to a guy like Spanos. That was probably too tempting to turn down especially with all the risk involved in going to LA. Or maybe Spanos is just an idiot, who knows.
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 13:22:14 GMT -8
I absolutely agree, each minute that passes the Rams get a stronger hold in LA. Which is why if Spanos REALLY wanted to be in LA no matter what, he would have worked with the NFL at the meetings to make sure this was a level playing field out of the starting gate (not that he was ever going to win). Exactly. Spanos is supposedly the one who asked for the option to come back to SD. Why in the world would he ask for that then turn around and go to LA one week later? Wouldn't the obvious move be to go in simultaneously with the Rams? No one gives a crap about the Chargers in LA in the first place but even delaying the announcement one hour after the Rams would spell doom. $100 million is a lot to a guy like Spanos. That was probably too tempting to turn down especially with all the risk involved in going to LA. Or maybe Spanos is just an idiot, who knows. Agreed. It certainly is possible that Dean is just a bad businessman and just does not know what to do. One thing I do know is that for whatever faults that Alex had, he certainly wouldn’t have let Kroenke play him like that or at least would have gone down swinging harder. The old man was old-school wise.
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Post by hoobs on Jan 18, 2016 14:02:42 GMT -8
Not saying this to imply that Spanos absolutely will decide to announce for LA imminently... but basing an analysis of what he's likely to do on the premise that he's anything other than an idiot would seem to be silly at this point. What's the last good business move he's made for the Chargers?
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 14:17:53 GMT -8
Not saying this to imply that Spanos absolutely will decide to announce for LA imminently... but basing an analysis of what he's likely to do on the premise that he's anything other than an idiot would seem to be silly at this point. What's the last good business move he's made for the Chargers? Haha, exactly, which is why it’s ironic we are all trying to make an intellectual argument for either outcome.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Jan 18, 2016 14:26:45 GMT -8
Not saying this to imply that Spanos absolutely will decide to announce for LA imminently... but basing an analysis of what he's likely to do on the premise that he's anything other than an idiot would seem to be silly at this point. What's the last good business move he's made for the Chargers? Haha, exactly, which is why it’s ironic we are all trying to make an intellectual argument for either outcome. The silence from the Chargers is deafening. They certainly are not talking with the city of San Diego (though the Mayor did get a 5 minute phone call from Dean telling him he was going to analyze his options) at this time so either they are in talks with the Rams & NFL along with all their investment bankers, lawyers & CPA's or they are just taking some time off. The former seems more logical. IMO the more time that passes it seems that the Chargers are getting closer to making a deal with the Rams.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 18, 2016 14:28:50 GMT -8
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 14:36:51 GMT -8
Haha, exactly, which is why it’s ironic we are all trying to make an intellectual argument for either outcome. The silence from the Chargers is deafening. They certainly are not talking with the city of San Diego (though the Mayor did get a 5 minute phone call from Dean telling him he was going to analyze his options) at this time so either they are in talks with the Rams & NFL along with all their investment bankers, lawyers & CPA's or they are just taking some time off. The former seems more logical. IMO the more time that passes it seems that the Chargers are getting closer to making a deal with the Rams. See I don't read it that way. To me it seems that the longer they wait the less likely they are to make a deal as Kroneke is another day ahead of them. The delay really has no bearing on SD though as they would make us sweat no matter what. Of course I would be guessing just like everyone else is.
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Post by laaztec on Jan 18, 2016 14:51:06 GMT -8
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 14:51:31 GMT -8
Haha, exactly, which is why it’s ironic we are all trying to make an intellectual argument for either outcome. The silence from the Chargers is deafening. They certainly are not talking with the city of San Diego (though the Mayor did get a 5 minute phone call from Dean telling him he was going to analyze his options) at this time so either they are in talks with the Rams & NFL along with all their investment bankers, lawyers & CPA's or they are just taking some time off. The former seems more logical. IMO the more time that passes it seems that the Chargers are getting closer to making a deal with the Rams. Sam Farmer says the exact opposite. Why would Spanos ask for the option to come back to SD just to go to LA one week later? If he's so hellbent on going to LA and doubling his value, why not go to LA simultaneously with the Rams and ride the wave of celebration last week? Seems like the logical choice. The Rams already started selling tickets for 2016 this morning. It's already too late lol. Wednesday would have already been too late. Also, it was reported yesterday that the Rams-Chargers scenario was already in the works six months ago. Nothing makes sense for Spanos to delay this a week or more. This all smells like yet another leverage play. LA's best role for the NFL.
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Post by aardvark on Jan 18, 2016 14:54:15 GMT -8
The silence from the Chargers is deafening. They certainly are not talking with the city of San Diego (though the Mayor did get a 5 minute phone call from Dean telling him he was going to analyze his options) at this time so either they are in talks with the Rams & NFL along with all their investment bankers, lawyers & CPA's or they are just taking some time off. The former seems more logical. IMO the more time that passes it seems that the Chargers are getting closer to making a deal with the Rams. See I don't read it that way. To me it seems that the longer they wait the less likely they are to make a deal as Kroneke is another day ahead of them. The delay really has no bearing on SD though as they would make us sweat no matter what. Of course I would be guessing just like everyone else is. True--since the claim by the Rams that they have already sold something like 10,000 season seats for next year. Spanos is losing leverage by the minute. I'm not sure I want to be in his shoes right now. If he turns down Inglewood, the Raiders would probably swoop right in, making the Chargers the 3rd most popular NFL franchise in SoCal.
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 14:55:57 GMT -8
LaCanfora has been saying this since Tuesday. What's the deal, Jason?
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Post by aztecbolt on Jan 18, 2016 14:57:47 GMT -8
See I don't read it that way. To me it seems that the longer they wait the less likely they are to make a deal as Kroneke is another day ahead of them. The delay really has no bearing on SD though as they would make us sweat no matter what. Of course I would be guessing just like everyone else is. True--since the claim by the Rams that they have already sold something like 10,000 season seats for next year. Spanos is losing leverage by the minute. I'm not sure I want to be in his shoes right now. If he turns down Inglewood, the Raiders would probably swoop right in, making the Chargers the 3rd most popular NFL franchise in SoCal. Spanos can keep Davis out for one year at the minimum and that one year time frame can be extended if they have progress in a stadium deal here. Also, the mayor of Oakland just said that she can offer more land and parking for the Raiders. #leverageisworking
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Post by fredgarvinmp on Jan 18, 2016 14:58:19 GMT -8
Could be true but never put much stock in La Canfora so doesn't really help me much.
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