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Post by aztec70 on Oct 29, 2010 12:03:51 GMT -8
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Oct 29, 2010 12:42:03 GMT -8
Have to disagree. It is EVERYONE'S fault.
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 29, 2010 12:59:51 GMT -8
3A, you are way too nice. No wonder you are a liberal.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 29, 2010 15:17:49 GMT -8
We must get better results while spending less. None of the results will improve much till both the leadership and responsibility for education results return to the state and local level.
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 29, 2010 16:05:42 GMT -8
We must get better results while spending less. None of the results will improve much till both the leadership and responsibility for education results return to the state and local level. We used to spend more on education than other states. We also lead the nation in the quality of our public schools. Now we bring up the rear in both. It should be easy to connect the dots. I do agree with more local control. |
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 31, 2010 7:54:22 GMT -8
We must get better results while spending less. None of the results will improve much till both the leadership and responsibility for education results return to the state and local level. We used to spend more on education than other states. We also lead the nation in the quality of our public schools. Now we bring up the rear in both. It should be easy to connect the dots. I do agree with more local control. I do not think we have ever led the nation in quality of public education in my life. I know it can be argued, but never settled. I have stated before that I have anecdotal instances of kids moving from California to Montana and being set back a year in school at the fifth and sixth grade level. I have not seen any study of have a link to back that up other than the two kids from my neighborhood who moved in from California when their parents went to work building Hungry Horse Dam. |
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Post by aztec70 on Oct 31, 2010 8:35:36 GMT -8
As an anecdote I remember my parents being pleased he got orders to CA in 1956 as the schools were so good.
If you websearch you can find articles referring to the quality of the education before the 1980's. That's when it began to decline.
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Post by aztecwin on Oct 31, 2010 9:15:36 GMT -8
As an anecdote I remember my parents being pleased he got orders to CA in 1956 as the schools were so good. If you websearch you can find articles referring to the quality of the education before the 1980's. That's when it began to decline. Just have to stay at odds over the quality in the past. I think that going forward we could do much better with less money if we would just allow better choices for kids and parents along with giving merit a bigger say in how teachers are rewarded or retained. |
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Post by tuff on Nov 1, 2010 14:45:52 GMT -8
Has anybody here seen the documentary "Waiting for Superman'? Might answer a lot of questions.
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Post by uwaztec on Nov 1, 2010 14:57:29 GMT -8
I know a lot of kids fall through the cracks.... but they did when I went to high school in California from 68-72. I have a really good friend who teaches biology at Mt. Carmel High... and that team over there puts out a lot of over achievers. Class sizes are up and budgets are down, but they blow away what I was offered for science curricula etc. in Walnut Creek back then.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 1, 2010 16:03:04 GMT -8
I know a lot of kids fall through the cracks.... but they did when I went to high school in California from 68-72. I have a really good friend who teaches biology at Mt. Carmel High... and that team over there puts out a lot of over achievers. Class sizes are up and budgets are down, but they blow away what I was offered for science curricula etc. in Walnut Creek back then. I have been told that tht School District is very well thought of. I think that incudes Poway, Westview, and Mt Carmel. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 1, 2010 16:24:19 GMT -8
I know a lot of kids fall through the cracks.... but they did when I went to high school in California from 68-72. I have a really good friend who teaches biology at Mt. Carmel High... and that team over there puts out a lot of over achievers. Class sizes are up and budgets are down, but they blow away what I was offered for science curricula etc. in Walnut Creek back then. I have been told that tht School District is very well thought of. I think that includes Poway, Westview, and Mt Carmel. Also includes Rancho Bernardo and Del Norte. The Poway School District is a great district IF your kid is going to college. Otherwise they don't give a rats ass and do not offer any alternatives. Their stated goal is that ALL of the kids will be eligible and meet the UC entrance requirements. I understand that they do get an amazing 50% of their graduates in to college. While that is spectacular it also means that they are not serving the other 50% who are not.  |
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Post by uwaztec on Nov 1, 2010 18:44:43 GMT -8
I have been told that tht School District is very well thought of. I think that includes Poway, Westview, and Mt Carmel. Also includes Rancho Bernardo and Del Norte. The Poway School District is a great district IF your kid is going to college. Otherwise they don't give a rats ass and do not offer any alternatives. Their stated goal is that ALL of the kids will be eligible and meet the UC entrance requirements. I understand that they do get an amazing 50% of their graduates in to college. While that is spectacular it also means that they are not serving the other 50% who are not. Totally agree..as evidenced by my daughter's friend (she happened to be blond) who graduated from Poway High, but could not name the countries we fought in WW2 and did not know that we dropped an atomic bomb in WW2... I was literally floored as I talked to her...I thought she was joking...she wasn't.! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2010 8:17:00 GMT -8
Since when does it take money to teach a kid to read? This is the utter delusion of the left. Also, it takes practically no money whatever to teach a kid math.
92% of the SDUSD budget is salaries and benefits so it goes without saying that the budget "crisis" amounts to nothing more than a cynical ploy to pay the same group of incompetents more money to not teach a bunch of kids to read. Only in the modern liberal mind is teaching the ABC's the equivalent of Rocket Surgery and Brain Science.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 3, 2010 9:49:06 GMT -8
Since when does it take money to teach a kid to read? This is the utter delusion of the left. Also, it takes practically no money whatever to teach a kid math. 92% of the SDUSD budget is salaries and benefits so it goes without saying that the budget "crisis" amounts to nothing more than a cynical ploy to pay the same group of incompetents more money to not teach a bunch of kids to read. Only in the modern liberal mind is teaching the ABC's the equivalent of Rocket Surgery and Brain Science. |
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Post by tuff on Nov 3, 2010 12:32:39 GMT -8
Our schools in this country have gone from 1st to 48th in the world. Please everyone, go see "Waiting for Superman", a documentary about our present day school systems.
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Post by aztec70 on Nov 4, 2010 7:17:43 GMT -8
Since when does it take money to teach a kid to read? This is the utter delusion of the left. Also, it takes practically no money whatever to teach a kid math. 92% of the SDUSD budget is salaries and benefits so it goes without saying that the budget "crisis" amounts to nothing more than a cynical ploy to pay the same group of incompetents more money to not teach a bunch of kids to read. Only in the modern liberal mind is teaching the ABC's the equivalent of Rocket Surgery and Brain Science. If we did not have to pay firefighters or the police we could balance the city budget next week.  |
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 4, 2010 14:51:05 GMT -8
Since when does it take money to teach a kid to read? This is the utter delusion of the left. Also, it takes practically no money whatever to teach a kid math. 92% of the SDUSD budget is salaries and benefits so it goes without saying that the budget "crisis" amounts to nothing more than a cynical ploy to pay the same group of incompetents more money to not teach a bunch of kids to read. Only in the modern liberal mind is teaching the ABC's the equivalent of Rocket Surgery and Brain Science. If we did not have to pay firefighters or the police we could balance the city budget next week. Maybe it would have been better to show where lots of money goes up in smoke both in administration and in supporting federal mandates that may or may not make sense locally. |
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Post by bearfoot on Nov 5, 2010 20:29:09 GMT -8
Have to disagree. It is EVERYONE'S fault. When the teacher's unions in the large districts of Cali refuse to allow any merit based studies to judge their teachers, while all the small and charter schools want it, it presents a picture of nothing more than teacher protection and not concern for student's education. Many states have adopted some form of merit based teacher pay advancement, and have been rewarded by the administration. The LA Times studies were rather startling and it is too bad the results were poo-pooed by the UTLA. San Diego teachers are doing the same thing, all at the cost to students. No amount of money is enough, there must be drastic reform. BTW, I hope all realize that Rand essay was from 2005. Thanks Gray Davis! |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 8, 2010 8:59:44 GMT -8
Have to disagree. It is EVERYONE'S fault. When the teacher's unions in the large districts of Cali refuse to allow any merit based studies to judge their teachers, while all the small and charter schools want it, it presents a picture of nothing more than teacher protection and not concern for student's education. Many states have adopted some form of merit based teacher pay advancement, and have been rewarded by the administration. The LA Times studies were rather startling and it is too bad the results were poo-pooed by the UTLA. San Diego teachers are doing the same thing, all at the cost to students. No amount of money is enough, there must be drastic reform. BTW, I hope all realize that Rand essay was from 2005. Thanks Gray Davis! You don't know what you are talking about. Please provide links to back up the 'facts' you are quoting. |
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