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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 1, 2015 6:03:36 GMT -8
Let's stop the pointless, needless, useless conflict stirring and try to bring all the Aztec football fans together, OK? Lol. You don't see the irony in this? I can send a mirror of you need one.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 1, 2015 6:10:37 GMT -8
Then hers some fatherly advice, stop responding to the barbs about the "old you" and drop the passive, caveated, qualified Rocky comments (for now, this season, as long as he...) and you'll stop blowing up your own forum.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 1, 2015 7:01:29 GMT -8
There you go again. Caveats, qualifications, passive support. Can't your see why people have issues with you?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 1, 2015 7:36:37 GMT -8
There you go again. Caveats, qualifications, passive support. Can't your see why people have issues with you? So it's 100% positive or don't post? Really? I'm sure you'd rather have some of us continue to post critical comments of Rocky and not give him credit for what he's done well, but that's not going to happen. I'm giving him props for the things he's done well. That doesn't mean he's done everything well, so until and unless he fixes those areas where he is clearly deficient the positive comments will occasionally be qualified with those caveats that reflect the facts. But positive comments will continue to be made. Take your win and let it go.
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Post by legkick on Nov 1, 2015 8:23:55 GMT -8
Yet another backhanded compliment, with all sorts of qualifications mixed in. Real disappointing.
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Post by pbnative on Nov 1, 2015 8:37:49 GMT -8
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Nov 1, 2015 8:52:24 GMT -8
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 1, 2015 9:13:03 GMT -8
I understand how you feel. But two things. One, High'N'Tight continued to stir up conflict where there was none. He'd post criticism of my posts and Aztec William's posts that were complimentary of Rocky Long saying that they were, "Backhanded compliments filled with qualifiers." Rocky's supporters have won the debate, a point that both Aztec William and I have acknowledged. We are both supportive of Rocky going forward and have praised the job he's done. There are, unfortunately, a handful of board members who do not want to let go of the past debates over the merits of keeping Rocky as head coach. There is no call, no justification for continuing any conflict and making personal criticisms of anyone who has been critical of Rocky in the past. It is a one sided conflict now, and that makes it even more of a rules violation. (See the forum rules for further clarification.) I went back and forth with High'N'Tight trying to patch up our differences so we could bury the hatchet. While in the middle of these PM exchanges he was busy burying the hatchet between my shoulder blades, repeatedly violating forum rules while I was being conciliatory by PM. We can't have someone intentionally disrupting the Aztec Sports forum like that. It's happened before, snowballed, and got so far out of hand that multiple members ended up getting banned for repeated rules violations even though we sent PM's almost pleading for them to stop. Two, We're not going to allow anyone to promote a board where the Administrator/Moderator has initiated personal insults against Aztec William and myself, and where the board members do the same thing. We're not stupid. If that board were filled with people who were at least halfway polite towards us and the members of this board (many of whom are attacked weekly on that board) then we would have no problem allowing the link. But that's not the way it is, so we're not going to allow people to promote a board that encourages attacks and insults on this board, it's staff, and some of it's members. If you think that's lame, that's your take on it and that's legit. I can't change your mind. If my explanation above doesn't move your opinion even slightly then nothing ever will. But I hope that at the very least you can understand where we're coming from and why we've taken the actions we've taken.
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Post by hoobs on Nov 1, 2015 12:06:29 GMT -8
Mods here being pathetic again.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 1, 2015 12:27:28 GMT -8
Mods here being pathetic again. It's backwards day every day at Aztec Mesa - where the people who are rude, engage in namecalling, personal criticisms and insults, and just general bad, unpleasant behavior are the victims. You can't please everyone. I learned that long ago.
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Post by pbnative on Nov 1, 2015 12:38:46 GMT -8
Mods here being pathetic again. You should see the PM he sent me after posting that...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 1, 2015 13:09:56 GMT -8
You know what? At this point I'm done being diplomatic.
The rules are the rules. Follow them.
If you can't be polite or courteous that's your call and is a reflection of your true character. Namecalling, insults, snarky comments - that stuff is against forum rules, as is harassment of other board members (including staff members).
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 2, 2015 3:35:45 GMT -8
You know what? At this point I'm done being diplomatic. The rules are the rules. Follow them. If you can't be polite or courteous that's your call and is a reflection of your true character. Namecalling, insults, snarky comments - that stuff is against forum rules, as is harassment of other board members (including staff members). Yeah, I got warned and moved for a snarky comment, on a message board! :-)
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 2, 2015 3:44:29 GMT -8
High and Tight was a significant contributor who offered excellent insight and inputs. Sad to see another quality poster run off. Crazy seeming passionate fans who choose to disagree and back their arguments up with facts get treated this way.
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Post by hoobs on Nov 2, 2015 4:20:06 GMT -8
High and Tight was a significant contributor who offered excellent insight and inputs. Sad to see another quality poster run off. Crazy seeming passionate fans who choose to disagree and back their arguments up with facts get treated this way. 1,000% agree. Rules are one thing, very inconsistently applied rules are quite another. "Agree with Erik or shut up" appears to be the new rule #1. Thank god for the other board.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 2, 2015 4:56:44 GMT -8
High and Tight was a significant contributor who offered excellent insight and inputs. Sad to see another quality poster run off. Crazy seeming passionate fans who choose to disagree and back their arguments up with facts get treated this way. 1,000% agree. Rules are one thing, very inconsistently applied rules are quite another. "Agree with Erik or shut up" appears to be the new rule #1. Thank god for the other board. If you would like to volunteer to join the mod staff and help make sure the rules are applied consistently you can always do that. The job takes a lot more time and effort than you could ever imagine, but if you are volunteering we could always use someone willing to put in that kind of time and effort for free. And, by the way, no one has to agree with me. They just have to follow the forum rules. No personal attacks, no personal criticism, no harassment, no insults, no namecalling. High'N'Tight didn't follow the rules. I practically begged him by PM to follow the rules and he refused. Flat out refused. That was his choice, and he knew what would happen. His post on the other board stating that he was, "Finally," banned gives you an indication that he knew he was repeatedly breaking the rules and that we gave him every opportunity to stop the behavior that was in violation of those forum rules. No one will ever have a problem with the mod staff if they follow the rules. Don't go after another board member. There is no, "Calling out," other board members here. You CAN disagree with a post or comment or opinion, but you can't make your response personal. Just don't say YOU in your response, say THAT. "That statement is ludicrous because of X,Y, and Z." Not, " You are ludicrous because of X, Y, and Z." It's unbelievably easy and makes for a lot less contentious board. I really don't get why some people have a problem with that.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 2, 2015 14:02:10 GMT -8
1,000% agree. Rules are one thing, very inconsistently applied rules are quite another. "Agree with Erik or shut up" appears to be the new rule #1. Thank god for the other board. If you would like to volunteer to join the mod staff and help make sure the rules are applied consistently you can always do that. The job takes a lot more time and effort than you could ever imagine, but if you are volunteering we could always use someone willing to put in that kind of time and effort for free. And, by the way, no one has to agree with me. They just have to follow the forum rules. No personal attacks, no personal criticism, no harassment, no insults, no namecalling. High'N'Tight didn't follow the rules. I practically begged him by PM to follow the rules and he refused. Flat out refused. That was his choice, and he knew what would happen. His post on the other board stating that he was, "Finally," banned gives you an indication that he knew he was repeatedly breaking the rules and that we gave him every opportunity to stop the behavior that was in violation of those forum rules. No one will ever have a problem with the mod staff if they follow the rules. Don't go after another board member. There is no, "Calling out," other board members here. You CAN disagree with a post or comment or opinion, but you can't make your response personal. Just don't say YOU in your response, say THAT. "That statement is ludicrous because of X,Y, and Z." Not, " You are ludicrous because of X, Y, and Z." It's unbelievably easy and makes for a lot less contentious board. I really don't get why some people have a problem with that. I don't get why the staff can't hear or understand what very solid and excellent posters have been saying throughout the football season. It's as though the policy device is on "send" and never "receive."
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 17, 2015 6:51:02 GMT -8
Isn't it funny, though, that we've always said that if there's something positive to post about we'd post it.
Since this team got it together and turned their season around there has been a ton of positive posts from most of Rocky's critics - myself included.
The season opened horribly, and the comments from many of us reflected that, but from there the ship was righted and the tone of the posts was adjusted accordingly as the wins added up.
Rocky still hasn't proven that he can beat winning non-MWC FBS teams with any regularity, but he has proven that he owns the MWC. Since the MWC games make up 2/3 of our schedule that has saved this season. And turned it from a disappointment into a really fun ride. And our posts have gladly acknowledged that.
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