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Post by fanhood on Oct 11, 2015 6:00:04 GMT -8
Proud of the team, they played well in a venue that is traditionally tough to play in., regardless of the caliber of the current Bows squad. So happy for Pumphrey who is carrying this team on his back.. Panther, There were no criticisms of the person, no personal insults. Rather, I was criticizing your consistent critiques of Rocky Long, the program and your general inability to objectively enjoy a win, even when we look good doing it. ( aka Whining). If that is against forum rules, there is no point of this forum. FH
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 11, 2015 6:29:42 GMT -8
Proud of the team, they played well in a venue that is traditionally tough to play in., regardless of the caliber of the current Bows squad. So happy for Pumphrey who is carrying this team on his back.. Panther, There were no criticisms of the person, no personal insults. Rather, I was criticizing your consistent critiques of Rocky Long, the program and inability to enjoy a win, even when we look good doing it. (Whining). If that is against forum rules, there is no point of this forum. FH That's baloney. I totally posted POSITIVE, COMPLIMENTARY comments about the game. THAT is what makes your comment a personal criticism. The positive comments apparently weren't enough for you, so you took it upon yourself to criticize another board member for what you described as, "Whining," when, in fact, that member gave the team more than just props for the game they just played. The fact that the member was me is irrelevant. The rule still applies. No board member is a free target for personal criticisms. Noting that this is an awful conference is not whining - it is stating a fact, and you know it. This is a terrible conference, and that fact gives the Aztecs a chance at winning the weaker division of that conference. Just a statement of fact, nothing more, nothing less. Take a look at the thread that I started about the game. That shows what my intent was. No, "Whining," at all. But you're right - if you want to make things personal then, "There is no point of this forum." That's not what we want it to be about. This is NOT the board for people who want to, "Call out," other members of the board and take shots at them for the opinions they have. We want people to feel free to post their HONEST opinions, not just the ones that they think won't get them criticized or mocked.
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Post by hoobs on Oct 31, 2015 9:07:53 GMT -8
Once again another example of someone posting a simple article praising OUR coach, on a BIG game day which could see us clinch a spot in the MWCG, yet it's hijacked by board moderators and once again driven into negativity. Shocking, right? Mods absolutely embarrassing themselves today, it's really sad and pathetic. Shame on AztecWilliam and APE.
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Post by hoobs on Oct 31, 2015 9:43:48 GMT -8
Again... mods moving posts critical of them. Pathetic.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 10:01:51 GMT -8
Again... mods moving posts critical of them. Pathetic. What's pathetic is trying to deny people their rights under forum rules to express honest opinions. I have NEVER been on a message board where the Mods didn't post opinions, even unpopular ones that were critical of the focus of the forum (band forums where the Mods rip the bands for lesser albums or live shows, or movie forums where Mods rip inferior sequels, etc). And yet some people here want the Mod staff to be ineligible to post their opinions. Pathetic. So is attacking the Mod staff when such personal attacks are completely against forum rules - except on this sub forum, which some people refuse to use.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 31, 2015 13:28:27 GMT -8
Once again another example of someone posting a simple article praising OUR coach, on a BIG game day which could see us clinch a spot in the MWCG, yet it's hijacked by board moderators and once again driven into negativity. Shocking, right? Mods absolutely embarrassing themselves today, it's really sad and pathetic. Shame on AztecWilliam and AztecPanther Erik. Not shocked
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 31, 2015 22:41:03 GMT -8
Actually, one need look no further than the 1st page of this very thread about an article in the local paper of our opponent for an example of praise for our HC that could not go unchallenged ... aztecmesa.proboards.com/post/847871/threadEnough. First, those posts were made BEFORE today's game. Second, there is genuine praise and there are genuine positive comments made about Rocky. If somewhat positive isn't good enough for you then you're in the wrong place. We don't just march in lockstep here. Now let it go. No more stirring up the personal conflicts here when most of us are trying to be genuinely conciliatory. If you can't accept genuine posts of goodwill then you really are being a sore winner. How about putting all that energy into bringing fans together rather than trying to stir up more conflict? At this point [Mod hat on] I'm going to insist that you stop the personal stuff with other board members and staff and focus on the team and the coaches. That's what we're supposed to be talking about on this forum, anyway. So pre-you jumping on the bandwagon, it was okay to not let praise for Rocky Long go unchallenged -- but now that you are on the bandwagon ... I would guess that you feel you have the right to express your opinions (positive, negative or otherwise) and don't feel that what you say should be critiqued as divisive, yet when you are called out on it, your response is to complain ... then take it to PMs where you assert your right to post as you do, but we we do the same, our posts and threads are deleted. Maybe now you will start to see the IRONY of you complaining ...
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Post by sdcoug on Oct 31, 2015 22:44:36 GMT -8
Actually, one need look no further than the 1st page of this very thread about an article in the local paper of our opponent for an example of praise for our HC that could not go unchallenged ... aztecmesa.proboards.com/post/847871/threadEnough. First, those posts were made BEFORE today's game. Second, there is genuine praise and there are genuine positive comments made about Rocky. If somewhat positive isn't good enough for you then you're in the wrong place. We don't just march in lockstep here. Now let it go. No more stirring up the personal conflicts here when most of us are trying to be genuinely conciliatory. If you can't accept genuine posts of goodwill then you really are being a sore winner. How about putting all that energy into bringing fans together rather than trying to stir up more conflict? At this point [Mod hat on] I'm going to insist that you stop the personal stuff with other board members and staff and focus on the team and the coaches. That's what we're supposed to be talking about on this forum, anyway. That's rich. For weeks many here have been putting energy into bringing fans together and supporting the team, yet certain people were "stirring up conflict". NOW you actually pound the gavel. Glad you've finally come around to what others have seen for weeks, but when it comes to stirring up conflict maybe next time you'll look in the mirror before doing so. Hopefully, while "bringing fans together" you'll stop with the slights as well.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 22:45:00 GMT -8
I was called a doosh, and it was never deleted. Hey sometimes you have to vent. . Sent from my XT1254 using proboards Didn't even hurt, did it? :-) Selective enforcement. How long was honey badger allowed to post his stuff vs JJ? Has he finally been banned? He was banned a couple months ago. For insulting and attacking other board members. When we actually see it we take action.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 22:47:57 GMT -8
Enough. First, those posts were made BEFORE today's game. Second, there is genuine praise and there are genuine positive comments made about Rocky. If somewhat positive isn't good enough for you then you're in the wrong place. We don't just march in lockstep here. Now let it go. No more stirring up the personal conflicts here when most of us are trying to be genuinely conciliatory. If you can't accept genuine posts of goodwill then you really are being a sore winner. How about putting all that energy into bringing fans together rather than trying to stir up more conflict? At this point [Mod hat on] I'm going to insist that you stop the personal stuff with other board members and staff and focus on the team and the coaches. That's what we're supposed to be talking about on this forum, anyway. So pre-you jumping on the bandwagon, it was okay to not let praise for Rocky Long go unchallenged -- but now that you are on the bandwagon ... I would guess that you feel you have the right to express your opinions (positive, negative or otherwise) and don't feel that what you say should be critiqued as divisive, yet when you are called out on it, your response is to complain ... then take it to PMs where you assert your right to post as you do, but we we do the same, our posts and threads are deleted. Maybe now you will start to see the IRONY of you complaining ... You are under the mistaken impression that the mod staff gets paid. Unlike Rocky Long and his staff, we don't get paid for what we do here. Rocky and his staff are open to criticism because they are very, VERY well paid for what they do, and what they do is a performanced based job. What we do is as volunteers when we have the time to do it. We're just regular board members who are here to make sure things go smoothly according to forum rules. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a world of difference between a Mod criticizing a highly paid coach for his job performance and a board member personally criticizing an unpaid, volunteer Mod.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 31, 2015 22:52:24 GMT -8
So pre-you jumping on the bandwagon, it was okay to not let praise for Rocky Long go unchallenged -- but now that you are on the bandwagon ... I would guess that you feel you have the right to express your opinions (positive, negative or otherwise) and don't feel that what you say should be critiqued as divisive, yet when you are called out on it, your response is to complain ... then take it to PMs where you assert your right to post as you do, but we we do the same, our posts and threads are deleted. Maybe now you will start to see the IRONY of you complaining ... You are under the mistaken impression that the mod staff gets paid. Unlike Rocky Long and his staff, we don't get paid for what we do here. Rocky and his staff are open to criticism because they are very, VERY well paid for what they do, and what they do is a performanced based job. What we do is as volunteers when we have the time to do it. We're just regular board members who are here to make sure things go smoothly according to forum rules. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a world of difference between a Mod criticizing a highly paid coach for his job performance and a board member personally criticizing an unpaid, volunteer Mod. whether or not you get paid is entirely up to your father and yourself -- and completely irrelevant ... you are operating a commercial enterprise so there is ZERO difference in critiques except your double standard.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 22:53:35 GMT -8
You are under the mistaken impression that the mod staff gets paid. Unlike Rocky Long and his staff, we don't get paid for what we do here. Rocky and his staff are open to criticism because they are very, VERY well paid for what they do, and what they do is a performanced based job. What we do is as volunteers when we have the time to do it. We're just regular board members who are here to make sure things go smoothly according to forum rules. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a world of difference between a Mod criticizing a highly paid coach for his job performance and a board member personally criticizing an unpaid, volunteer Mod. whether or not you get paid is entirely up to your father and yourself -- and completely irrelevant ... you are operating a commercial enterprise so there is ZERO difference in critiques except your double standard. You are flat wrong. This is most certainly NOT a commercial enterprise. There is no money made here. It is a fan forum. Free of charge. Completely voluntary.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 31, 2015 22:57:48 GMT -8
whether or not you get paid is entirely up to your father and yourself -- and completely irrelevant ... you are operating a commercial enterprise so there is ZERO difference in critiques except your double standard. You are flat wrong. This is most certainly NOT a commercial enterprise. There is no money made here. It is a fan forum. Free of charge. Completely voluntary. you are using commercial resources (internet), interacting with the public and are a platform for 3rd party advertising ... boom commercial enterprise
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 23:02:06 GMT -8
You are flat wrong. This is most certainly NOT a commercial enterprise. There is no money made here. It is a fan forum. Free of charge. Completely voluntary. you are using commercial resources (internet), interacting with the public and are a platform for 3rd party advertising ... boom commercial enterprise We get no money. Aztec Mesa gets no money. This is a public service on our end. Our part in no way constitutes a, "Commercial enterprise." Let it go, man. If I can support Rocky you can at the very least be halfway civil and not try to stir up conflict.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 31, 2015 23:04:57 GMT -8
you are using commercial resources (internet), interacting with the public and are a platform for 3rd party advertising ... boom commercial enterprise We get no money. Aztec Mesa gets no money. This is a public service on our end. Our part in no way constitutes a, "Commercial enterprise." Let it go, man. If I can support Rocky you can at the very least be halfway civil and not try to stir up conflict. The earning of money is not the definition of commercial enterprise ... whether or not your enterprise is commercially successful is not the measure by which the enterprise is deemed commercial. Again, to make it stop, all you need to do is let it go -- if you can't let it go with out responding ... you are the conflict you seek
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 23:10:41 GMT -8
We get no money. Aztec Mesa gets no money. This is a public service on our end. Our part in no way constitutes a, "Commercial enterprise." Let it go, man. If I can support Rocky you can at the very least be halfway civil and not try to stir up conflict. The earning of money is not the definition of commercial enterprise ... whether or not your enterprise is commercially successful is not the measure by which the enterprise is deemed commercial. Again, to make it stop, all you need to do is let it go -- if you can't let it go with out responding ... you are the conflict you seek Well, I'm not going to allow personal criticism, insults, namecalling, attacks, etc, on any forum member on any board. If that kind of thing persists then the forum rules will be enforced. They have to be or things will devolve and get rather ugly rather quickly. It has happened before. The only place any forum member can be criticized is here on the Feedback forum, and ONLY forum staff are valid topics if you feel something needs to be addressed.
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Post by HighNTight on Oct 31, 2015 23:16:39 GMT -8
The earning of money is not the definition of commercial enterprise ... whether or not your enterprise is commercially successful is not the measure by which the enterprise is deemed commercial. Again, to make it stop, all you need to do is let it go -- if you can't let it go with out responding ... you are the conflict you seek Well, I'm not going to allow personal criticism, insults, namecalling, attacks, etc, on any forum member on any board. If that kind of thing persists then the forum rules will be enforced. They have to be or things will devolve and get rather ugly rather quickly. It has happened before. The only place any forum member can be criticized is here on the Feedback forum, and ONLY forum staff are valid topics if you feel something needs to be addressed. do what you like ... you have a double standard -- own it. When acting as moderators, you are not technically a members -- when you are selective about the way in which you moderate others but not yourself or those you agree with (historically) you set a precedent that you have discovered is difficult to correct. Anywho ... trying to help you to understand the irony of the situation is futile as your ego keeps getting in the way it so I will get back to my conversations on the MWCBoard ... another commercial enterprise
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 31, 2015 23:53:41 GMT -8
We will agree to disagree on the, "Commercial enterprise," aspect of it.
And I will continue to make sure that the board remains as civil as possible and that people are free to post their opinions without having to worry about being personally ridiculed for posting said opinions.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Nov 1, 2015 5:58:02 GMT -8
Too many sore winners. That is an unfortunate truth. When someone starts to come around to your way of thinking bashing or criticizing them is not a good idea unless your real hope is to stir up the conflict/debate again. If you want a united fanbase take the olive branches as they are extended and don't bitch about how short they may be. Welcome the idea that people may be more accepting of your line of thinking, don't dwell on the previous debate. Again, unless your goal is to create more conflict and division. And I would seriously hope that isn't the case. Let's all come together in our support of the AZTEC FOOTBALL TEAM. Run the table, boys!!! It is clear your is to do just that yet you don't even recognize it. Second, the team includes the coaches. Why do you persist in crapping on progress? You must be heartbroken that Rocky is doing well this season.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Nov 1, 2015 6:02:45 GMT -8
Too many sore winners. That is an unfortunate truth. When someone starts to come around to your way of thinking bashing or criticizing them is not a good idea unless your real hope is to stir up the conflict/debate again. If you want a united fanbase take the olive branches as they are extended and don't bitch about how short they may be. Welcome the idea that people may be more accepting of your line of thinking, don't dwell on the previous debate. Again, unless your goal is to create more conflict and division. And I would seriously hope that isn't the case. Let's all come together in our support of the AZTEC FOOTBALL TEAM. Run the table, boys!!! It is clear your is to do just that yet you don't even recognize it. Second, the team includes the coaches. Why do you persist in crapping on progress? You must be heartbroken that Rocky is doing well this season. Heartbroken? Not at all. Rocky's doing what Rocky's always done - he had a bad non-conference record but he owns the MWC. I'm actually surprised as to the extent of his success this year in conference. It looked like the team would fall apart - and we've seen that under other coaches both here and elsewhere - but he kept the team together, got them re-focused, and the team (INCLUDING the coaches) have gone on a tear through the MWC. And they deserve every bit of credit they're getting for the team's success.
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