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Post by fisherville on Aug 16, 2015 14:12:32 GMT -8
Apparently put up a big show at petco, doubtful he will ever make it to SDSU.
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Post by sdsustoner on Aug 17, 2015 1:24:58 GMT -8
That's the toughest part of recruiting in baseball. When they're that good, they take the money.
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Post by aztecfanatic on Aug 17, 2015 3:24:53 GMT -8
We need to luck out and get those that ARE that good but for a variety of reasons decide on a college degree (or al least a few years of college) first. There are fewer of these and they are sought by all the better programs but they are out there. Our bb program is on the rise and seems to be in capable hands. Winning a regional is the next step.
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Post by originalshow00 on Aug 17, 2015 10:45:31 GMT -8
Good job recruiting!We need some all American's.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Aug 17, 2015 16:31:51 GMT -8
That's the toughest part of recruiting in baseball. When they're that good, they take the money. In baseball, it is not necessarily taking the money. It is not just the money that is the deciding factor. It is the opportunity to get a 3 year head start in the minor leagues. Everyone has to start in the minors. You have a much better chance of making it out when you start at age 18 than 21/22. So it is not like basketball or football where I guy leaves early pretty much solely for the money. With baseball, it is also about the development. As an 18 year old entering the minors, you have a little extra time to adjust to the game. There is less pressure and less of a rush to develop for an 18 year old than it is for a 21/22 year old who unless you are a very high pick, will have to start in the rookie league or low A to begin with. Something that an 18 year old does at 18 rather than 21/22. True, a college player will come into the minors a bit more developed but he has less time to develop to the level he needs to be at to get the call up to the big leagues. So, with baseball, it is more so about development than just the money. |
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Post by originalshow00 on Aug 17, 2015 18:13:19 GMT -8
That's the toughest part of recruiting in baseball. When they're that good, they take the money. In baseball, it is not necessarily taking the money. It is not just the money that is the deciding factor. It is the opportunity to get a 3 year head start in the minor leagues. Everyone has to start in the minors. You have a much better chance of making it out when you start at age 18 than 21/22. So it is not like basketball or football where I guy leaves early pretty much solely for the money. With baseball, it is also about the development. As an 18 year old entering the minors, you have a little extra time to adjust to the game. There is less pressure and less of a rush to develop for an 18 year old than it is for a 21/22 year old who unless you are a very high pick, will have to start in the rookie league or low A to begin with. Something that an 18 year old does at 18 rather than 21/22. True, a college player will come into the minors a bit more developed but he has less time to develop to the level he needs to be at to get the call up to the big leagues. So, with baseball, it is more so about development than just the money. This is not accurate because 18 year old's start off in the lowest A ball level and have to work their way up which takes two or three years anyway 90% of the time.A college guy would be most likely to start off in A ball after the draft year.College is always the best choice unless you get drafted in the first or second round. |
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Post by Sdsu4life on Aug 17, 2015 22:06:32 GMT -8
In baseball, it is not necessarily taking the money. It is not just the money that is the deciding factor. It is the opportunity to get a 3 year head start in the minor leagues. Everyone has to start in the minors. You have a much better chance of making it out when you start at age 18 than 21/22. So it is not like basketball or football where I guy leaves early pretty much solely for the money. With baseball, it is also about the development. As an 18 year old entering the minors, you have a little extra time to adjust to the game. There is less pressure and less of a rush to develop for an 18 year old than it is for a 21/22 year old who unless you are a very high pick, will have to start in the rookie league or low A to begin with. Something that an 18 year old does at 18 rather than 21/22. True, a college player will come into the minors a bit more developed but he has less time to develop to the level he needs to be at to get the call up to the big leagues. So, with baseball, it is more so about development than just the money. This is not accurate because 18 year old's start off in the lowest A ball level and have to work their way up which takes two or three years anyway 90% of the time.A college guy would be most likely to start off in A ball after the draft year.College is always the best choice unless you get drafted in the first or second round. Not accurate at all. Everyone goes to short season and rookie league. The ELITE picks may go straight to single A and then to AA after a couple months. But regardless if you are a high schooler or college guy, you are starting at the bottom. College guys may start ONE level above high schoolers. High schoolers will go to rookie league , where college guys will go to short season. Both are practically the same level. 18 year olds will will stay lower longer, but by the time they are 21/22 when the college kids are starting short season, the high schooler who joined rookie league 3-4 years ago are already passed short season and the developing ones are already passed low A. The #1 pick this year, Dansby Swanson out of COLLEGE started Low A. He skipped one level (rookie league). That means by Dansby Swanson played 3 years of college ball just to start 1 level above what he would have out of high school. NOW..him going college ball wasn't necessarily a bad idea. Out of high school he was a 35th round pick. So he did develop well in college. But who is to say that he wouldn't have in the minors out of hs school? After 3 years, he definitely would have been passed Low A, which is the league he started at and is still in. The #2 pick is the same thing. He is a college guy who started at Low A. The #3 pick who was out of high school started at Rookie League The #4 pick out of college started Low A The #5 pick out of High school started Rookie league The #3 pick of 2014 out of College started Rookie league So whether you are the 1st pick, or the last pick, you are starting off in rookie league if you are out of high school, and if you are an higher college pick, you may start in Low A. Others will start rookie league/short season. Even Strasburg started off at short season. Bryce Harper and Kris Bryant started off in the rookie league. Everyone starts at the bottom and works their way up. Now, there are some who needed college to make them big. Some don't need that and have the ability to start the grind in the minors at 18. It may have been a different story for Strasburg if he would have went to the minors out of high school. He needed college. But just because college was a good idea for him, doesn't mean it is a good idea for the next guy. For pitchers, college can help more than fielders. It takes some a long time to adjust to the game using wooden bats. Having those extra years in the minors can help. Oh and btw, a "high" draft pick in baseball is not the first 2 rounds. More like the top 10 rounds. |
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Aug 18, 2015 3:01:00 GMT -8
This is not accurate because 18 year old's start off in the lowest A ball level and have to work their way up which takes two or three years anyway 90% of the time.A college guy would be most likely to start off in A ball after the draft year.College is always the best choice unless you get drafted in the first or second round. Not accurate at all. Everyone goes to short season and rookie league. The ELITE picks may go straight to single A and then to AA after a couple months. But regardless if you are a high schooler or college guy, you are starting at the bottom. College guys may start ONE level above high schoolers. High schoolers will go to rookie league , where college guys will go to short season. Both are practically the same level. 18 year olds will will stay lower longer, but by the time they are 21/22 when the college kids are starting short season, the high schooler who joined rookie league 3-4 years ago are already passed short season and the developing ones are already passed low A. The #1 pick this year, Dansby Swanson out of COLLEGE started Low A. He skipped one level (rookie league). That means by Dansby Swanson played 3 years of college ball just to start 1 level above what he would have out of high school. NOW..him going college ball wasn't necessarily a bad idea. Out of high school he was a 35th round pick. So he did develop well in college. But who is to say that he wouldn't have in the minors out of hs school? After 3 years, he definitely would have been passed Low A, which is the league he started at and is still in. The #2 pick is the same thing. He is a college guy who started at Low A. The #3 pick who was out of high school started at Rookie League The #4 pick out of college started Low A The #5 pick out of High school started Rookie league The #3 pick of 2014 out of College started Rookie league So whether you are the 1st pick, or the last pick, you are starting off in rookie league if you are out of high school, and if you are an higher college pick, you may start in Low A. Others will start rookie league/short season. Even Strasburg started off at short season. Bryce Harper and Kris Bryant started off in the rookie league. Everyone starts at the bottom and works their way up. Now, there are some who needed college to make them big. Some don't need that and have the ability to start the grind in the minors at 18. It may have been a different story for Strasburg if he would have went to the minors out of high school. He needed college. But just because college was a good idea for him, doesn't mean it is a good idea for the next guy. For pitchers, college can help more than fielders. It takes some a long time to adjust to the game using wooden bats. Having those extra years in the minors can help. Oh and btw, a "high" draft pick in baseball is not the first 2 rounds. More like the top 10 rounds. Spot on. Clearly you know the business. Thanks. One thing not mentored is the issue that also makes a difference, slot money and signing bonuses. A kid coming out of high school and drafted late, gaining low slot position and little signing bonus. He may be subject to the low rookie salary structure.then be forced to renegotiate his contract if he outperforms his contract. Coming out of college, he may prove himself, or at least gain notoriety enough to gain a higher draft position and get some slot money/signing bonus. It's a crap shoot and you take your chances, no doubt. Thanks for the well-informed response. |
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Post by originalshow00 on Aug 18, 2015 7:01:58 GMT -8
I would never draft players out of high school because they hardly ever can make the adjustment to the minors.I have two friends that I grew up with get drafted in the first round barely make it to triple A.In high school kids are mostly throwing 80mph so the kid would be better seeing 90mph stuff and practicing in college.In the last ten years I can not remember any of the Aztecs recruits that signed right out of high school to go pro ever making it to the pros.
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Post by originalshow00 on Aug 20, 2015 13:38:20 GMT -8
I would never draft players out of high school because they hardly ever can make the adjustment to the minors.I have two friends that I grew up with get drafted in the first round barely make it to triple A.In high school kids are mostly throwing 80mph so the kid would be better seeing 90mph stuff and practicing in college.In the last ten years I can not remember any of the Aztecs recruits that signed right out of high school to go pro ever making it to the pros. ! |
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