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Post by zollner on Aug 9, 2015 7:27:18 GMT -8
Plus, I see the NFL peaking within the next few years. There is a growing anti-football sentiment, simmering amongst the academics, who've always looked askance at the "mouth-breathing" football devotees, longing for the more politically correct world of basketball and soccer. And soccer---like it or not--is on the rise. The anti-football crowd, will push more and more for restrictions and "reductions" in "violence", given a hook with the concussion concerns. It will grow more aggressive to stop Pop Warner altogether. But then, we/I digress... I think you have hit on a very timely issue. It will be a slow decline especially when many law suits will be filed about the concussion issue. The NFL has known for years that concussions where a very serious issue, in fact had a study done which they kept from the players and fans. |
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Post by aztecbolt on Aug 9, 2015 17:15:32 GMT -8
Plus, I see the NFL peaking within the next few years. There is a growing anti-football sentiment, simmering amongst the academics, who've always looked askance at the "mouth-breathing" football devotees, longing for the more politically correct world of basketball and soccer. And soccer---like it or not--is on the rise. The anti-football crowd, will push more and more for restrictions and "reductions" in "violence", given a hook with the concussion concerns. It will grow more aggressive to stop Pop Warner altogether. But then, we/I digress... I think you have hit on a very timely issue. It will be a slow decline especially when many law suits will be filed about the concussion issue. The NFL has known for years that concussions where a very serious issue, in fact had a study done which they kept from the players and fans. The concussion issue is real. There is already a decline in kids playing football from 4-5 years ago. And you're also starting to see young NFL players retire after only a few years by choice because they're thinking about their future health. Mark Cuban also predicted that the NFL will go into a decline in the near future because of their never-ending greed. These two factors could have a large effect on the value of NFL teams in the future. Right now, the big appeal of moving to LA is the increase of value in the franchise but it also comes with a tremendous cost of privately financing a stadium, paying for a temporary venue, relocation fees, etc. Shrink that increased value and LA starts to lose it's appeal. These fat pigs might be too blinded by dollar signs right now to think that far into the future but it's something to be watched. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 18:46:12 GMT -8
Plus, I see the NFL peaking within the next few years. There is a growing anti-football sentiment, simmering amongst the academics, who've always looked askance at the "mouth-breathing" football devotees, longing for the more politically correct world of basketball and soccer. And soccer---like it or not--is on the rise. The anti-football crowd, will push more and more for restrictions and "reductions" in "violence", given a hook with the concussion concerns. It will grow more aggressive to stop Pop Warner altogether. But then, we/I digress... So this is an interesting comment, and something which quite possibly could turn out to be correct, but it really begs the question... if the NFL peaks and clearly regression will then follow, what does that say about the importance of football and the whole 'driving the bus' thing? I mean, I'm not saying this will happen but if it does and the NFL drifts off into the sunset then college football can't be far behind and then what is the point of trying to get into a P5 conference on the basis of football? Maybe hoops is the real answer for SDSU and the P5 issue? (Of course, if you really believe this then you should drop your whole schtick about Retread Rocky and such but that is not at all why I asked the above, I just sort of found it ironic that you wrote the above given your concern about the state of SDSU football. But honestly, disregard this comment, I am interested in your thoughts on the above part because you might actually be on to something regarding the anti-football movement.) |
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Post by aardvark on Aug 9, 2015 19:06:54 GMT -8
IMO, the poll is also meaningless. I spent the weekend in Anaheim at the O's/Angels series, and most of the people I talked to were hoping the Rams would be the team that moves back. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Aug 9, 2015 19:09:20 GMT -8
I think you have hit on a very timely issue. It will be a slow decline especially when many law suits will be filed about the concussion issue. The NFL has known for years that concussions where a very serious issue, in fact had a study done which they kept from the players and fans. The concussion issue is real. There is already a decline in kids playing football from 4-5 years ago. And you're also starting to see young NFL players retire after only a few years by choice because they're thinking about their future health. Mark Cuban also predicted that the NFL will go into a decline in the near future because of their never-ending greed. These two factors could have a large effect on the value of NFL teams in the future. Right now, the big appeal of moving to LA is the increase of value in the franchise but it also comes with a tremendous cost of privately financing a stadium, paying for a temporary venue, relocation fees, etc. Shrink that increased value and LA starts to lose it's appeal. These fat pigs might be too blinded by dollar signs right now to think that far into the future but it's something to be watched. There will always be a plentiful supply of athletes who want their education paid for and those elite players that want to makes millions as a pro. I think you'll see rules continue continue to get dialed down for safety but I don't think it will ever get to the point that people lose interest in the game. |
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Post by myownwords on Aug 9, 2015 20:12:17 GMT -8
Plus, I see the NFL peaking within the next few years. There is a growing anti-football sentiment, simmering amongst the academics, who've always looked askance at the "mouth-breathing" football devotees, longing for the more politically correct world of basketball and soccer. And soccer---like it or not--is on the rise. The anti-football crowd, will push more and more for restrictions and "reductions" in "violence", given a hook with the concussion concerns. It will grow more aggressive to stop Pop Warner altogether. But then, we/I digress... So this is an interesting comment, and something which quite possibly could turn out to be correct, but it really begs the question... if the NFL peaks and clearly regression will then follow, what does that say about the importance of football and the whole 'driving the bus' thing? I mean, I'm not saying this will happen but if it does and the NFL drifts off into the sunset then college football can't be far behind and then what is the point of trying to get into a P5 conference on the basis of football? Maybe hoops is the real answer for SDSU and the P5 issue? (Of course, if you really believe this then you should drop your whole schtick about Retread Rocky and such but that is not at all why I asked the above, I just sort of found it ironic that you wrote the above given your concern about the state of SDSU football. But honestly, disregard this comment, I am interested in your thoughts on the above part because you might actually be on to something regarding the anti-football movement.) The potential for this academia-induced death spiral, makes it all the more imperative for us to rid ourselves of those hammocking in the backyard of the House of Low Expectations. Maybe this is already Hirshman's reality, evinced by his disappearing act and the relative absence of support for the football program. But for us, the quicker we get to the Big Boy League, the hemorrhaging will take longer, and maybe allow us to reach an equilibrium, instead of euthanasia. And that leap demands aggressive and risk-taking leaders. We have none. It may already be too late. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 20:51:55 GMT -8
So this is an interesting comment, and something which quite possibly could turn out to be correct, but it really begs the question... if the NFL peaks and clearly regression will then follow, what does that say about the importance of football and the whole 'driving the bus' thing? I mean, I'm not saying this will happen but if it does and the NFL drifts off into the sunset then college football can't be far behind and then what is the point of trying to get into a P5 conference on the basis of football? Maybe hoops is the real answer for SDSU and the P5 issue? (Of course, if you really believe this then you should drop your whole schtick about Retread Rocky and such but that is not at all why I asked the above, I just sort of found it ironic that you wrote the above given your concern about the state of SDSU football. But honestly, disregard this comment, I am interested in your thoughts on the above part because you might actually be on to something regarding the anti-football movement.) The potential for this academia-induced death spiral, makes it all the more imperative for us to rid ourselves of those hammocking in the backyard of the House of Low Expectations. Maybe this is already Hirshman's reality, evinced by his disappearing act and the relative absence of support for the football program. But for us, the quicker we get to the Big Boy League, the hemorrhaging will take longer, and maybe allow us to reach an equilibrium, instead of euthanasia. And that leap demands aggressive and risk-taking leaders. We have none. It may already be too late. Ok. Let's forget about the supposed lack of leadership at SDSU for just a second. Honestly, I think it's a very interesting postulate... should the NFL lose traction due to the concussion issue then all football will follow because TV will go elsewhere... should that happen or if you think that will happen then forward thinkers would (should?) put their emphasis on the sports where growth will happen because TV will go there... just a thought. I really have no interest in debating the worthiness of SDSU's leaders just interested in discussing the view that if football were to lose traction perhaps spending resources elsewhere would be the way to go... like I said, just an interesting thing to think about. |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 10, 2015 8:24:45 GMT -8
Chargers, Raiders have some support among NFL owners over Rams for Los Angeles relocationwww.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/08/10/chargers-raiders-could-be-favored-by-nfl-owners-for-l-a-relocation/"Owners and NFL officials will assess sentiments about the sport’s pending return to Los Angeles when they meet Tuesday in Chicago, with some feeling within the league that the bid by the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders eventually could end up being favored by the owners over that of the St. Louis Rams.
Those who feel that way appear to believe that there is at least some hope of working out a stadium solution to keep the Rams in St. Louis while the stadium situations of the Chargers are Raiders are, in their view, more dire.
There also is the notion that the owners will support the bid of Dean Spanos, the chairman of the Chargers who is respected within the league. Some within the sport likewise have taken note that Raiders owner Mark Davis has gone about the process as the league has wished and has not sought to challenge the NFL in the way that his late father, Al Davis, once did over relocation issues."
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 10, 2015 8:32:04 GMT -8
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Aug 10, 2015 9:22:07 GMT -8
Is Jill Steeg aka Jim Steeg's wife? If so, they both have a real handle on this stuff and after reading what she wrote, I now think the Chargers are gone.
That said, I still can't believe they're serious about moving to Carson. Instead, I would think they're hoping the other owners won't allow Kroenke to move to Inglewood and that something will be worked out for the Rams to remain in St. Louis and that the Chargers will then take aim at Inglewood. At least that would be my strategy if I were the Spanoi.
Edit: Oh and I've always similarly thought that if SD plays its cards right that the city will eventually get another NFL franchise, albeit not nearly as soon as Houston did. More like 15-20 years down the road.
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Post by SD Johnny on Aug 10, 2015 9:29:57 GMT -8
Yes, she is Jim's wife and you know he contributed to the article. The thing is, if you've been following this saga for the last few years nothing she says should come as news.
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Aug 10, 2015 10:11:40 GMT -8
Well, md, to repeat, because of my huge skepticism about the Carson thing I had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get there, but I'm now with you the Chargers are leaving.
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Post by aztecbolt on Aug 10, 2015 10:26:30 GMT -8
Completely disagree about Carson.
I think it's obvious that the Chargers are blinded by the dollar signs and want LA. Wanting something and getting it are two completely different things though. Spanos can't build a stadium on his own and has to hope Kroenke will partner or take him in as a tenant and I can't see Kroenke wanting to partner up nor Spanos wanting to be a tenant of someone else.
It seems like Spanos' best hope is for Carson to get approved, but everyone pretty much knows that the Carson proposal is a joke, especially compared to Inglewood.
I think the best scenario for the NFL is to push this back another year but their greed might make them impatient so who knows.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 10, 2015 10:57:07 GMT -8
Completely disagree about Carson. I think it's obvious that the Chargers are blinded by the dollar signs and want LA. Wanting something and getting it are two completely different things though. Spanos can't build a stadium on his own and has to hope Kroenke will partner or take him in as a tenant and I can't see Kroenke wanting to partner up nor Spanos wanting to be a tenant of someone else. It seems like Spanos' best hope is for Carson to get approved, but everyone pretty much knows that the Carson proposal is a joke, especially compared to Inglewood. I think the best scenario for the NFL is to push this back another year but their greed might make them impatient so who knows. Spanos never planned on building a stadium on his own. The Chargers are partners with the Raiders on the project. |
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Post by aardvark on Aug 10, 2015 11:02:37 GMT -8
Completely disagree about Carson. I think it's obvious that the Chargers are blinded by the dollar signs and want LA. Wanting something and getting it are two completely different things though. Spanos can't build a stadium on his own and has to hope Kroenke will partner or take him in as a tenant and I can't see Kroenke wanting to partner up nor Spanos wanting to be a tenant of someone else. It seems like Spanos' best hope is for Carson to get approved, but everyone pretty much knows that the Carson proposal is a joke, especially compared to Inglewood. I think the best scenario for the NFL is to push this back another year but their greed might make them impatient so who knows. Spanos never planned on building a stadium on his own. The Chargers are partners with the Raiders on the project. The 2 teams combined don't come close to the wealth of Kroenke. Carson is a sham. |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 10, 2015 11:11:37 GMT -8
Spanos never planned on building a stadium on his own. The Chargers are partners with the Raiders on the project. The 2 teams combined don't come close to the wealth of Kroenke. Carson is a sham. I guess we will find out soon enough. |
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Post by aztecbolt on Aug 10, 2015 11:22:54 GMT -8
Completely disagree about Carson. I think it's obvious that the Chargers are blinded by the dollar signs and want LA. Wanting something and getting it are two completely different things though. Spanos can't build a stadium on his own and has to hope Kroenke will partner or take him in as a tenant and I can't see Kroenke wanting to partner up nor Spanos wanting to be a tenant of someone else. It seems like Spanos' best hope is for Carson to get approved, but everyone pretty much knows that the Carson proposal is a joke, especially compared to Inglewood. I think the best scenario for the NFL is to push this back another year but their greed might make them impatient so who knows. Spanos never planned on building a stadium on his own. The Chargers are partners with the Raiders on the project. The Raiders are invisible in this whole thing. Mark Davis and his people aren't even talking about Carson. And their representative didn't even stick around at Fabiani's pizza party last month (the one Carmen Policy ditched as well). The only guy who showed up was Fabiani, lol. If that's Spanos' master plan, the whole thing is DOA. It's a joke. Everyone knows it's a joke. |
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Aug 10, 2015 11:37:28 GMT -8
Spanos never planned on building a stadium on his own. The Chargers are partners with the Raiders on the project. The Raiders are invisible in this whole thing. Mark Davis and his people aren't even talking about Carson. And their representative didn't even stick around at Fabiani's pizza party last month (the one Carmen Policy ditched as well). The only guy who showed up was Fabiani, lol. If that's Spanos' master plan, the whole thing is DOA. It's a joke. Everyone knows it's a joke. Time will tell. Good bet the Chargers are gone; Carson or Inglewood. |
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Post by SD Johnny on Aug 10, 2015 11:43:04 GMT -8
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Post by pbnative on Aug 10, 2015 11:43:38 GMT -8
"...The Chargers never saw any of the nine through to fruition. All were dropped, tossed to the side or outright abandoned by the team, but always blamed on other people and other things, such as inept government leaders, obstructionists in the communities, San Diego’s pension crisis, the economic downturn or built-in issues at the sites that the Chargers have forever maintained could not be overcome. Ironically, after each site failed, they seemingly always returned to Mission Valley as the preferred site."
Pretty MUCH!!! That line sums up the Spanos entire ownership of the team.
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