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Post by NYCaztec on May 8, 2015 15:10:38 GMT -8
Yes, this is down the road, BUT...
What the hell is going to happen on the recruiting front after Fish retires?
What kind of sacrifice did Cal offer to get their recent boost in recruiting? We should have no problem in matching that sacrifice ...
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Post by Dave L on May 8, 2015 16:02:56 GMT -8
Actually spoke to a coach/recruiter last week about recruiting and it pertains to your question. I asked what was most important to the guys we are recruiting? He said the "absolute - #1 thing - even above Coach Fisher...is our our arena atmosphere." That and he said our new Performance Center is an "absolute game changer". Coach Dutcher should inherit a pretty full cupboard of top players...along with facilities and an environment that he played a huge part in developing. I expect him/the program to also attract some top assistants. I think we are going to be fine.  |
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Post by sdcoug on May 8, 2015 16:11:54 GMT -8
Actually spoke to a coach/recruiter last week about recruiting and it pertains to your question. I asked what was most important to the guys we are recruiting? He said the "absolute - #1 thing - even above Coach Fisher...is our our arena atmosphere." That and he said our new Performance Center is an "absolute game changer". Coach Dutcher should inherit a pretty full cupboard of top players...along with facilities and an environment that he played a huge part in developing. I expect him/the program to also attract some top assistants. I think we are going to be fine. +1, and the fact the other guys already play a core role in recruiting. Velasquez built a terrific relationship with Hemsley; when Nolan was at practice he it was Dutch who was chatting with him & his dad before/after. And Hut leads the recruiting efforts.
Although you can never dismiss the role Fish plays, overall there are a lot more factors than him when it comes to recruiting. History; facilities; and relationships in general, whether with the HC, assistants and/or the rest of the team.
As Fish has said, the best recruiters are the players.
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Post by Gundo on May 8, 2015 16:36:40 GMT -8
My feeling is Dutch is good and been with Fish for 20+ years, but Coach Hut is key to retain, or we have Coach Bland return and we have both Dutch, Hut, Bland and V.
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Post by sdcoug on May 8, 2015 16:51:23 GMT -8
Yes, this is down the road, BUT... What the hell is going to happen on the recruiting front after Fish retires? What kind of sacrifice did Cal offer to get their recent boost in recruiting? We should have no problem in matching that sacrifice ... BTW, on this. Luck & locale have a lot to do with success as well. Ivan Rabb - top 10 recruit - is one of those kids who's proud of where's from - Oakland Soldier kid, and he's someone who was most likely going to stay close to home. Most coaches would have told you a year or two ago he was 90% Cal bound. Before Martin even went there. He plays shoe ball, talks to other kids & it has an impact. He commits & then Brown commits, influenced by Rabb (& the fact Conzo recruited him a little while at Tennessee). W/o Rabb, Brown's not at Cal. Without Rabb & Brown that's a class with 2 3-star recruits, and Martin's not on a pedestal right now.
ASU got lucky a few years ago. Irrelevant since Harden, they land a local kid in Jahii Carson, who some dropped off of due to grades, and he changes their entire program for a couple years.
Here's a scenario. Ayton is a local kid & the #1 recruit in the 2017 class, similar to Rabb a couple years ago. You get him to want to stay home, fall in love with SDSU, talk us up & then commit other dominos will fall, and all of a sudden Fish or Dutch, whoever's the HC at the time, looks like Conzo.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2015 18:06:15 GMT -8
Yes, this is down the road, BUT... What the hell is going to happen on the recruiting front after Fish retires? What kind of sacrifice did Cal offer to get their recent boost in recruiting? We should have no problem in matching that sacrifice ... BTW, on this. Luck & locale have a lot to do with success as well. Ivan Rabb - top 10 recruit - is one of those kids who's proud of where's from - Oakland Soldier kid, and he's someone who was most likely going to stay close to home. Most coaches would have told you a year or two ago he was 90% Cal bound. Before Martin even went there. He plays shoe ball, talks to other kids & it has an impact. He commits & then Brown commits, influenced by Rabb (& the fact Conzo recruited him a little while at Tennessee). W/o Rabb, Brown's not at Cal. Without Rabb & Brown that's a class with 2 3-star recruits, and Martin's not on a pedestal right now.
ASU got lucky a few years ago. Irrelevant since Harden, they land a local kid in Jahii Carson, who some dropped off of due to grades, and he changes their entire program for a couple years.
Here's a scenario. Ayton is a local kid & the #1 recruit in the 2017 class, similar to Rabb a couple years ago. You get him to want to stay home, fall in love with SDSU, talk us up & then commit other dominos will fall, and all of a sudden Fish or Dutch, whoever's the HC at the time, looks like Conzo.
You get Ayton, McCoy and Hands to stay home, to go along with the stellar classes before that and SDSU would most definitely move to that "deluxe apartment in the Sky!" |
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Post by aztecfury on May 8, 2015 18:20:02 GMT -8
Yes, this is down the road, BUT... What the hell is going to happen on the recruiting front after Fish retires? What kind of sacrifice did Cal offer to get their recent boost in recruiting? We should have no problem in matching that sacrifice ... You do realize that head coaches usually don't even do most of the recruiting, its the assistant coaches. As for choosing a school it depends on the individual and what they value as long as we keep winning we shouldn't have trouble. Narain said he chose SDSU because he had a connection with the coaching staff. They took a picture, Fisher was not in it. |
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on May 8, 2015 18:26:51 GMT -8
Yes, this is down the road, BUT... What the hell is going to happen on the recruiting front after Fish retires? What kind of sacrifice did Cal offer to get their recent boost in recruiting? We should have no problem in matching that sacrifice ... What you do is find more $$ for Hutson & keep him around! Tough concept huh? |
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Post by Dave L on May 8, 2015 18:48:36 GMT -8
Yes, this is down the road, BUT... What the hell is going to happen on the recruiting front after Fish retires? What kind of sacrifice did Cal offer to get their recent boost in recruiting? We should have no problem in matching that sacrifice ... You do realize that head coaches usually don't even do most of the recruiting, its the assistant coaches. As for choosing a school it depends on the individual and what they value as long as we keep winning we shouldn't have trouble. Narain said he chose SDSU because he had a connection with the coaching staff. They took a picture, Fisher was not in it. Are you writing that purely from a numbers standpoint…three recruiting, assistant coaches to just one one head coach? Did you write that because you think Coach Fisher and other head coaches just kick back in their offices all week when practices and games are not going on? You clearly don't know a head coaches schedule. They don't advertise every high school practice and game they are at...especially the ones they drive and fly to in between practices and games. Aztec practices are over at 3pm so Coach Fisher and other coaches can be at games anywhere in CA (by car or plane) that evening. You would be shocked to see Coach Fisher's schedule. And if you're like me…you'do be tired just looking at it. I apologize. I'm not writing this for sarcasm. It just would shock nearly everyone on here if they really knew where Coach Fisher was several days a week when they just assume he is in San Diego. I'm told that Arizona's coach often picks up his kids after school and hops on a private jet about three days a week during the season to fly and look at recruits…and then back home to put the kids to bed. Most successful "head" coaches are maniacs. Ours included. Maniac is a term of endearment. |
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Post by Fisher Fanatic on May 8, 2015 21:42:32 GMT -8
You do realize that head coaches usually don't even do most of the recruiting, its the assistant coaches. Asthey value as long as we keep winning we shouldn't have trouble. Narain said he chose SDSU because he had a connection with the coaching staff. They took a picture, Fisher was not in it. It just would shock nearly everyone on here if they really knew where Coach Fisher was several days a week when they just assume he is in San Diego. I think he goes to Coronado too  |
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Post by aztecfury on May 8, 2015 22:26:45 GMT -8
You do realize that head coaches usually don't even do most of the recruiting, its the assistant coaches. As for choosing a school it depends on the individual and what they value as long as we keep winning we shouldn't have trouble. Narain said he chose SDSU because he had a connection with the coaching staff. They took a picture, Fisher was not in it. Are you writing that purely from a numbers standpoint…three recruiting, assistant coaches to just one one head coach? Did you write that because you think Coach Fisher and other head coaches just kick back in their offices all week when practices and games are not going on? You clearly don't know a head coaches schedule. They don't advertise every high school practice and game they are at...especially the ones they drive and fly to in between practices and games. Aztec practices are over at 3pm so Coach Fisher and other coaches can be at games anywhere in CA (by car or plane) that evening. You would be shocked to see Coach Fisher's schedule. And if you're like me…you'do be tired just looking at it. I apologize. I'm not writing this for sarcasm. It just would shock nearly everyone on here if they really knew where Coach Fisher was several days a week when they just assume he is in San Diego. I'm told that Arizona's coach often picks up his kids after school and hops on a private jet about three days a week during the season to fly and look at recruits…and then back home to put the kids to bed. Most successful "head" coaches are maniacs. Ours included. Maniac is a term of endearment. I CLEARLY said that head coaches usually don't do most of the recruiting... I did NOT say Fisher does nothing, but obviously by the numbers the assistant coaches combined are very likely to be more involved with recruiting. Do I think that recruiting will completely collapse after Fisher retires? NO |
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Post by standiego on May 9, 2015 8:15:19 GMT -8
Believe it has been stated the Aztec coaches , recruit as a team . The assistant coaches go out early and look at younger player guys who are freshman , and up . evaluate them , then may talk with Fisher about coming in to make the official offer , or try to close the deal . Now a days very important to have the AAU connections . As also noted if you can get the "key " recruit to commit early then he helps you recruit. others. Recruits talk to each other and even current players . Little doubt Hutson is a very evaluator of talent , has connections but also feel Dutcher has some also .
While the Fab 5 was a while back , but thankfully replayed many times , shows it was Dutcher who did much of the ground work on the recruiting . Dutcher learned a lot about recruiting from his dad a BIG coach . Dutcher had more recruiting knowledge then Fisher ,when they were first together. There is also a transition going on over on the Mesa , with pictures from the Fab 5 , K. Leonard and others with Dutcher . Dutcher is also a key contributor on the Fisher TV show and other parts of the media.Know when the Aztecs hit the last week of recruiting Zylan , the assistant coaches put together a very up to date power point presentation showing Zylan how he would exactly play on the team , then Fisher gave the closing remarks.
Would guess when Fisher does retire , he will stay here in San Diego . Do not know NCAA rules but would speculate that if allowed he may drop in on campus when recruits are here and help his friends at SDSU chat with recruits . Have also heard Dutcher many times talk about the small behind the scenes things he watches and learns from Fisher . Communicating with players .
Will the transition work with results on the recruiting trail and then W's, no one knows for sure , but seems as though the ground work is there.to make it happen .
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