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Post by hoobs on Apr 27, 2015 9:18:47 GMT -8
I think our guards will be improved between Hemsley, Kell, Williams, Allen, Shrigs, & Winston (I have Pope as a #3-#4) I agree but I think you've got Winston & Pope in reverse... I think Pope is more of a 2/3 and we'll see Winston in more of a 3/4 role. I think that will be a terrific role for Winston on next season's team.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Apr 27, 2015 9:25:35 GMT -8
Kool-Aid and crystal balls don't necessarily go together...But, here it goes anyway...slurp I foresee: WSIII becomes SDSU's floor general, glue guy and deadly with his pull-up 10 foot jumper Pope being the leading scorer and competes with Sky for most blocks Sky learns to make free throws at 70% rate Zylan and Pope will develop a scoring, pick-n-roll mismatch that will impossible for defenses to stop Hemsley after experiencing a few growing pains, becomes a point guard that flirts with leaving after his first season
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 27, 2015 9:38:31 GMT -8
I think our guards will be improved between Hemsley, Kell, Williams, Allen, Shrigs, & Winston (I have Pope as a #3-#4) I agree but I think you've got Winston & Pope in reverse... I think Pope is more of a 2/3 and we'll see Winston in more of a 3/4 role. I think that will be a terrific role for Winston on next season's team. Which hits exactly on what I think the biggest strength of our team which is it's flexibility. You & I differ on definitions for those two, where reality is they are players. They're not defined by a label or to a position. Kell can be a 1, 2 or 3; Hemsley a 1 or 2; Pope a 2, 3 or 4; WS a 2, 3 or 4; Shrigs a 2 or 3; DA a 2 or 3; Zylan a 3 or 4 (although I think he's more a 4 based on what I've watched). I'd say Chol could even be a 4 or 5. The only 2 players I'd "label" at 1 position would be Sky & Williams. Haven't seen Jones so can't say if 4 is a true possibility or probability??
Again, it's players, which is critical to our defense. Allows us to switch on most screens.
I base saying Pope's a 3 or 4 based on where he played most last year. He played the most, similar to JJ or the corner/wing. A lot of that could be based on the fact WS is more capable of guarding the perimeter last year, while they tended to put Pope on the taller, less quick players. So guarded a lot at the #4. That could change if his D' improves substantially, and WS & he could be interchangeable. But WS is clearly the (much) better perimeter defender.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 27, 2015 9:41:27 GMT -8
Kool-Aid and crystal balls don't necessarily go together...But, here it goes anyway...slurp I foresee: WSIII becomes SDSU's floor general, glue guy and deadly with his pull-up 10 foot jumper Pope being the leading scorer and competes with Sky for most blocks Sky learns to make free throws at 70% rate Zylan and Pope will develop a scoring, pick-n-roll mismatch that will impossible for defenses to stop Hemsley after experiencing a few growing pains, becomes a point guard that flirts with leaving after his first season Like your KA & Crystal combo, except that one made me think you shifted to Crystal Meth.... : )
I'd take 60%+ in a heartbeat. 70% would mean he'd be among the best on our team. Baby steps....
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Post by hoobs on Apr 27, 2015 9:53:47 GMT -8
But WS is clearly the (much) better perimeter defender. Totally fair point. I was thinking more purely in terms of role on offense. Agreed that WS is the better perimeter defender. But he's also a better rebounder... so I wouldn't mind seeing him defending players who spend a little more time around the paint.
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Post by standiego on Apr 27, 2015 10:18:11 GMT -8
Every in college players leave , you get new players and the development of the guys coming back so it is a "new " team . This year could be exciting as the coaches really nee to take a close look at the skills and talent of the team . IMO there could be changes to the offensive scheme and possibly defense . Offense very likely one of most athletic group since the team with K. Leonard ..... . My hope with JH at PG , plus the coaches letting our athletic guys use their skills to the max an up tempo style of play . On defense again evaluate the talent , to see what works best . would like Fisher to let Coach Hutson try even more of his zones , especially with Skylar staying in the middle of the lane . Malik and Shepard at the wings . JH a good quick defender . Then if even more D could be DA and Zylan . So there is talent on both ends of the court . To run more in transition on offense , will need guys crashing the boards . Also spend as much time in practice on offense as we do on D . Key phrase as Fisher says score the basketball . One way, make sure you Finish your shots . The finesse lay up , or spot three is not good enough , you need to score or rebound the shot .
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Post by azzfan on Apr 27, 2015 12:20:06 GMT -8
People seem to overlook the fact that we could not run up tempo last year because no one could pass OR catch. Basics which were overlooked and necessitated the half court slog. We will have the same post players we did last year and new PG. Will they grow new hands over the summer?
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Post by gigglyforshrigley on Apr 27, 2015 12:26:01 GMT -8
People seem to overlook the fact that we could not run up tempo last year because no one could pass OR catch. Basics which were overlooked and necessitated the half court slog. We will have the same post players we did last year and new PG. Will they grow new hands over the summer? Even if we could pass and catch, Kell and AQ aren't really going to blow by anyone when running the court. I like(d) them as players but they definitely eliminated any chance of us fast-breaking due to their athleticism/speed
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 27, 2015 12:43:30 GMT -8
People seem to overlook the fact that we could not run up tempo last year because no one could pass OR catch. Basics which were overlooked and necessitated the half court slog. We will have the same post players we did last year and new PG. Will they grow new hands over the summer? Our offensive tempo was on par with Wichita St & others, and much quicker than Baylor, Utah, Wisconsin & Virginia. They all did pretty well. I think a lot of people would consider ND a fundamentally sound, uptempo team yet our offensive tempo wasn't much different.
Avoiding TO's will be critical, as well as being a better defensive rebounding team. You don't run if you can't control the defensive boards, especially if you're having to drop 4 to the boards.
And no, they won't "grow hands" but they can become much better passers and rebounders.
We'll always be a "only take the break when it's there" type of team & can't see us dictating or pushing tempo. But wouldn't surprise me with Pope, WS & Hemsley being more involved we'd speed up a little via delayed breaks.
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Post by thepapacy on Apr 27, 2015 13:45:06 GMT -8
jesus henry this is going to be a long offseason
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Post by standiego on Apr 27, 2015 14:08:54 GMT -8
IMO we do have the guys on the squad to push the tempo , more then play a slow half court offense . JH, Malik , Winston , even Skylar can run . same with Zylan , Angelo , D.A and DW . Key to transition is controlling the boards , starts with a rebound, get the quick out let pass and going to the basket. It is also scheme and mind set , numerous times last year the out let pass was there , and the guy breaking but the execution , the pass and push up the court did not happen . Offense went through JJ ,not very quick , rather then either guard .
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 27, 2015 14:27:44 GMT -8
IMO we do have the guys on the squad to push the tempo , more then play a slow half court offense . JH, Malik , Winston , even Skylar can run . same with Zylan , Angelo , D.A and DW . Key to transition is controlling the boards , starts with a rebound, get the quick out let pass and going to the basket. It is also scheme and mind set , numerous times last year the out let pass was there , and the guy breaking but the execution , the pass and push up the court did not happen . Offense went through JJ ,not very quick , rather then either guard . Again, slow compared to who? Was Wisconsin slow? Wichita St? ND? Utah? Would you not want their success?
Hell, Duke was 2/3rds of a second faster than us on average. Tend to think they had a successful season & don't think they need to pick up the pace any.
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Post by MarshallU on Apr 27, 2015 14:42:14 GMT -8
Kool-Aid and crystal balls don't necessarily go together...But, here it goes anyway...slurp I foresee: WSIII becomes SDSU's floor general, glue guy and deadly with his pull-up 10 foot jumper Pope being the leading scorer and competes with Sky for most blocks Sky learns to make free throws at 70% rate Zylan and Pope will develop a scoring, pick-n-roll mismatch that will impossible for defenses to stop Hemsley after experiencing a few growing pains, becomes a point guard that flirts with leaving after his first season Sold! I'll take that.
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Post by AzTex on Apr 27, 2015 15:06:17 GMT -8
Kool-Aid and crystal balls don't necessarily go together...But, here it goes anyway...slurp I foresee: WSIII becomes SDSU's floor general, glue guy and deadly with his pull-up 10 foot jumper Pope being the leading scorer and competes with Sky for most blocks Sky learns to make free throws at 70% rate Zylan and Pope will develop a scoring, pick-n-roll mismatch that will impossible for defenses to stop Hemsley after experiencing a few growing pains, becomes a point guard that flirts with leaving after his first seasonI like your vision, except for the last part. But as long as it stops at flirting, as it did with Pope, I'll go with that as well.
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Post by azzfan on Apr 27, 2015 17:17:46 GMT -8
People seem to overlook the fact that we could not run up tempo last year because no one could pass OR catch. Basics which were overlooked and necessitated the half court slog. We will have the same post players we did last year and new PG. Will they grow new hands over the summer? Our offensive tempo was on par with Wichita St & others, and much quicker than Baylor, Utah, Wisconsin & Virginia. They all did pretty well. I think a lot of people would consider ND a fundamentally sound, uptempo team yet our offensive tempo wasn't much different.
Avoiding TO's will be critical, as well as being a better defensive rebounding team. You don't run if you can't control the defensive boards, especially if you're having to drop 4 to the boards.
And no, they won't "grow hands" but they can become much better passers and rebounders.
We'll always be a "only take the break when it's there" type of team & can't see us dictating or pushing tempo. But wouldn't surprise me with Pope, WS & Hemsley being more involved we'd speed up a little via delayed breaks.
I get it however we should be able to rely on fast break points also, otherwise we get stuck in half court offense with mediocre shooters and average ball handlers.
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Post by standiego on Apr 27, 2015 18:02:59 GMT -8
The offense last year tended to get across the time line then, hold up and get the ball to JJ . Most of the TV commentators called us a slow deliberate offense . The PG play was very deliberate, rarely trying to push the offense ,little penetration or quick movements . We had numerous outlet passes , to a guard ,with guys open on the wing but we slowed up play . It hurt not having Polee and Malik most of the MW season to set up alley oops ..... Way too much dribbling , not enough quick sharp passing ,or enough movement with out the ball. The year before it was a lot of X off a ball screen for a shot . After we had taken a lot of time off the shot clock . Same thing too much dribbling not enough passing or movement .
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Post by miners22 on Apr 27, 2015 19:11:50 GMT -8
I love longtimebooster's optimism for Aztecs and his Aztecs analysis are generally on the money! However, losing JJ's, DP's and AQ's experience will rear its ugly head early on in the season. The S-Troop has experience, but the S-Troop may not have mental toughness to carry a young inexperience Aztecs team.
And, do we really know how Hemsley is going to transition from HS to College? Will Hemsley be another Zabo? What if Hemsley is TO prone and a poor defender? What kind of decision maker is Hemsley?
And, do we really know how Cheatham is going play after red-shirt year? We saw glimpses of Pope's game toward the end of the season as a reserve. As a starter, Pope will be considered the go to guy and we do not how this pressure will affect his game. Like I stated in post last season, I never saw Pope play with a sense of urgency.
Having stated all the above, my concern for the Aztecs players is their lack of overall development year in and year out. Difficult to figure out why Aztecs players show no improvement from one year to the next.
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Post by tecsonthebeach on Apr 27, 2015 19:32:45 GMT -8
I love longtimebooster's optimism for Aztecs and his Aztecs analysis are generally on the money! However, losing JJ's, DP's and AQ's experience will rear its ugly head early on in the season. . AQ? AQ was a nice guy and, by all accounts, brought a positive, confident attitude onto the court, but he was an average or slightly above-average guard. Nothing more. I mean, honestly, Chase was a far better player than AQ.
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Post by longtimebooster on Apr 27, 2015 20:07:54 GMT -8
I love longtimebooster's optimism for Aztecs and his Aztecs analysis are generally on the money! However, losing JJ's, DP's and AQ's experience will rear its ugly head early on in the season. . AQ? AQ was a nice guy and, by all accounts, brought a positive, confident attitude onto the court, but he was an average or slightly above-average guard. Nothing more. I mean, honestly, Chase was a far better player than AQ. Concur. But I think the point miners22 is making has to do with experience, not talent. AQ was a scrappy, blue collar guy. But he got things done. And he scored points. But most importantly, he was a 5th-year senior. He was calm, controlled and rarely panicked. Were he a freshman with his talent level, last year would've been a disaster. But as a senior, he and JJ made a great combination. Very smart, very savvy and not mistake prone. And while I have high hopes for Hemsley, I do realize that he's a true freshman and could suffer growing pains stemming from inexperience. One of the more striking stats I saw a couple years ago was this: Of all the teams in the Sweet 16 over the past two or three decades, 80% were lead by senior PGs and 90% lead by juniors and/or seniors. Says a lot about the importance of experience in the PG position.
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Post by sdcoug on Apr 27, 2015 21:34:29 GMT -8
The offense last year tended to get across the time line then, hold up and get the ball to JJ . Most of the TV commentators called us a slow deliberate offense . The PG play was very deliberate, rarely trying to push the offense ,little penetration or quick movements . We had numerous outlet passes , to a guard ,with guys open on the wing but we slowed up play . It hurt not having Polee and Malik most of the MW season to set up alley oops ..... Way too much dribbling , not enough quick sharp passing ,or enough movement with out the ball. The year before it was a lot of X off a ball screen for a shot . After we had taken a lot of time off the shot clock . Same thing too much dribbling not enough passing or movement . Perception can be far from reality. Again, are you saying Wisconsin, Duke, Wichita st, ND, etc. should all pick up the pace to be successful? I'd like to see more easier buckets but ultimately scoring quicker isnt what leads to victories. Being efficient, like wisky, duke, Wichita st and others IS.
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