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Post by thepapacy on Feb 26, 2015 0:06:31 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2015 9:00:41 GMT -8
Is this kind of like Kerry claiming we are safe yesterday and Clapper telling us we are in a more dangerous position than every today? I think if Netanyahu intended to over state where Iran is on its quest for Nukes that his goal to get the free world on board with containing Iran is the right one. Do you want Iran to have nukes to destroy Israel? I don't and think a little drama to make people aware is not that big a deal.
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 26, 2015 10:20:24 GMT -8
Is this kind of like Kerry claiming we are safe yesterday and Clapper telling us we are in a more dangerous position than every today? I think if Netanyahu intended to over state where Iran is on its quest for Nukes that his goal to get the free world on board with containing Iran is the right one. Do you want Iran to have nukes to destroy Israel? I don't and think a little drama to make people aware is not that big a deal. Ahhhh, lies are okay to you if they support your views, got it. That explains your drivel in the Bush thread, I guess... Iran is the world's 17th largest country. There are over 100,000 Christians and 30,000 Jews living there. 85-90% of the country is literate, and they have higher voter turnout than America. They have the largest refugee population in the world. Don't be so scared of nationalized oil and Russian commerce that you fear nukes, it's small and shortsighted of you. Iran isn't a rogue state or an irrational actor, so don't be dense. Do I want them to get a nuke? Honestly, I don't really care, because they would never use it. If they did, they would be wiped from the map before Israel ever was, and they know it. Nuclear weapons are a deterrent, not an offensive weapon (though I realize you grew up in a different time and might have difficulty understanding this). Further, and probably most importantly, heard of Stuxnet? That's just what the public knows about. Clandestine operations are MUCH more useful in these circumstances than BB's war mongering ever will be. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2015 10:44:14 GMT -8
Is this kind of like Kerry claiming we are safe yesterday and Clapper telling us we are in a more dangerous position than every today? I think if Netanyahu intended to over state where Iran is on its quest for Nukes that his goal to get the free world on board with containing Iran is the right one. Do you want Iran to have nukes to destroy Israel? I don't and think a little drama to make people aware is not that big a deal. Ahhhh, lies are okay to you if they support your views, got it. That explains your drivel in the Bush thread, I guess... Iran is the world's 17th largest country. There are over 100,000 Christians and 30,000 Jews living there. 85-90% of the country is literate, and they have higher voter turnout than America. They have the largest refugee population in the world. Don't be so scared of nationalized oil and Russian commerce that you fear nukes, it's small and shortsighted of you. Iran isn't a rogue state or an irrational actor, so don't be dense. Do I want them to get a nuke? Honestly, I don't really care, because they would never use it. If they did, they would be wiped from the map before Israel ever was, and they know it. Nuclear weapons are a deterrent, not an offensive weapon (though I realize you grew up in a different time and might have difficulty understanding this). Further, and probably most importantly, heard of Stuxnet? That's just what the public knows about. Clandestine operations are MUCH more useful in these circumstances than BB's war mongering ever will be. No, lies (other than little white ones) are never OK. Netanyahu could have done better. I just see why he did it and support and understand his goals. Your view of Iran is naïve. Who do you think supports Hamas and Hezbollah along with other terror groups? |
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 26, 2015 10:57:46 GMT -8
Who do you think supports Hamas and Hezbollah along with other terror groups? "The Mossad director told the South Africans that Abbas privately backed the Israeli position, saying he wanted the report rejected because he feared it would "play into the hands" of Hamas, his key domestic political rival. The Spy Cables also reveal that US President Barack Obama made a direct threat to Abbas in hope of dissuading him from pursuing United Nations recognition for a Palestinian state. The Hamas request revealed in the Spy Cables occurred in the summer of 2012 during an encounter in occupied East Jerusalem between a CIA officer and a South African secret service agent... The US agent made it clear that his government wanted to establish contact with Hamas in Gaza. The South African spy noted his request and cabled back to State Security Agency (SSA) headquarters on June 29 that the CIA "would seem desperate to make inroads into Hamas in Gaza". He recommended helping the US agency, writing that the "SSA stand the chance of benefitting from that interaction in that we would establish the collection priorities and requirements" of the CIA. At the same time as the US was trying to reach out to Hamas, it was also putting pressure on the PA." www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-expose-approach-hamas-guardian-hamas-israel-mossad-cia-obama-goldstone-pa-150219190914146.htmlRead up, the world's happening around you. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2015 11:25:23 GMT -8
Who do you think supports Hamas and Hezbollah along with other terror groups? "The Mossad director told the South Africans that Abbas privately backed the Israeli position, saying he wanted the report rejected because he feared it would "play into the hands" of Hamas, his key domestic political rival. The Spy Cables also reveal that US President Barack Obama made a direct threat to Abbas in hope of dissuading him from pursuing United Nations recognition for a Palestinian state. The Hamas request revealed in the Spy Cables occurred in the summer of 2012 during an encounter in occupied East Jerusalem between a CIA officer and a South African secret service agent... The US agent made it clear that his government wanted to establish contact with Hamas in Gaza. The South African spy noted his request and cabled back to State Security Agency (SSA) headquarters on June 29 that the CIA "would seem desperate to make inroads into Hamas in Gaza". He recommended helping the US agency, writing that the "SSA stand the chance of benefitting from that interaction in that we would establish the collection priorities and requirements" of the CIA. At the same time as the US was trying to reach out to Hamas, it was also putting pressure on the PA." www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-expose-approach-hamas-guardian-hamas-israel-mossad-cia-obama-goldstone-pa-150219190914146.htmlRead up, the world's happening around you. That has what to do with the topic at hand. The question was who provides support to Hamas and the like. The Obama Administration may be taking those unwise moves but it has nothing to do with the topic other than possibly showing that side of Obama. |
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Post by thepapacy on Feb 26, 2015 11:28:46 GMT -8
"The Mossad director told the South Africans that Abbas privately backed the Israeli position, saying he wanted the report rejected because he feared it would "play into the hands" of Hamas, his key domestic political rival. The Spy Cables also reveal that US President Barack Obama made a direct threat to Abbas in hope of dissuading him from pursuing United Nations recognition for a Palestinian state. The Hamas request revealed in the Spy Cables occurred in the summer of 2012 during an encounter in occupied East Jerusalem between a CIA officer and a South African secret service agent... The US agent made it clear that his government wanted to establish contact with Hamas in Gaza. The South African spy noted his request and cabled back to State Security Agency (SSA) headquarters on June 29 that the CIA "would seem desperate to make inroads into Hamas in Gaza". He recommended helping the US agency, writing that the "SSA stand the chance of benefitting from that interaction in that we would establish the collection priorities and requirements" of the CIA. At the same time as the US was trying to reach out to Hamas, it was also putting pressure on the PA." www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/spy-cables-expose-approach-hamas-guardian-hamas-israel-mossad-cia-obama-goldstone-pa-150219190914146.htmlRead up, the world's happening around you. That has what to do with the topic at hand. The question was who provides support to Hamas and the like. The Obama Administration may be taking those unwise moves but it has nothing to do with the topic other than possibly showing that side of Obama. Your lack of willingness to understand any worldview that isn't two dimensional truly explains your shortsightedness and general disability to grasp complex issues. |
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Post by aztecwin on Feb 26, 2015 11:44:20 GMT -8
That has what to do with the topic at hand. The question was who provides support to Hamas and the like. The Obama Administration may be taking those unwise moves but it has nothing to do with the topic other than possibly showing that side of Obama. Your lack of willingness to understand any worldview that isn't two dimensional truly explains your shortsightedness and general disability to grasp complex issues. Oh Brother! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 16:15:45 GMT -8
So Iran isn't developing a nuclear weapon and does NOT plan on wiping Israel off the face of the Earth at the first opportunity. Okay then.
Nice people, the Iranians.
I understand the new chant in the square after Friday prayer has been modified from "Death to America" to "Strongly Worded Tweets to America" #sunnisarepeopletoo
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