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Post by rebar619 on Feb 18, 2015 14:22:04 GMT -8
If I was even the slightest bit scared about the Aztecs football future without the Chargers in town I wouldn't be openly rooting for them to move to LA. Can't wait! I will be laughing at your hubris while mourning for Aztec FB if you are wrong.
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Post by ab on Feb 18, 2015 14:57:48 GMT -8
Exactly. Some folks appear to want Hirshman to come onto AztecMesa and post the full details of SDSU's stadium contingency plans. Sometimes, plans are best kept very close to the vest. I believe this is one of those times, for many reasons (as you correctly identify one of them). EXACTLY. Arm Chair negotiators on here would lose billions in the real world. Food for thought: If SDSU's intentions are to buy the Qualcomm Stadium site (which I believe is more realistic than an on-campus stadium), then don't you think the site will be far less valuable if and when its current major tenant is gone - either via moving truck or a new stadium elsewhere? To make its intentions public now would be foolish as it would put all the negotiating leverage on the city's end. If the city is stuck with a piece of land and a decrepit stadium and no one to sell it to, the leverage is all in the hands of Hirshman. So despite the angst of not knowing on this board, SDSU is doing precisely what it should be doing -- keeping its head down and its plans close to the vest. How would the City get "stuck" (your words) with the land? I have no doubt there's a bunch of developers lined up with $$$$ to buy the Q property to develop it with condos/apartments. State is going to have to have the the best offer or at least somewhat equal to be able to take over the property. It surely isn't going to be handed to SDSU just for the helluva it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 14:58:58 GMT -8
Right. Nobody wants to take a chance on a commercial or residential development in Mission Valley. Too risky. I'm thinking of taking out a loan against my '98 Kia and buying a chunk myself. Build a Taco stand or something. Too risky on that site, with its environmental issues and a behemoth structure to destroy/rebuild. That's not an inexpensive project. It's not just a normal piece of land in Mission Valley. Mark my words, there will be few to no buyers for that property when the chargers leave it. It will drop in SDSU's lap. The City will be begging SDSU to take it off their hands. OK
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Post by ab on Feb 18, 2015 15:00:58 GMT -8
With the increasing possibility that the Chargers will be moving to LA, will the athletic department revamp their efforts in building an On campus stadium? I do hope so. Well, there certainly has been a lot of political posturing over the last few days. I did find it interesting that several sports talk radio hosts on both 1360 and 1090 have now started talking about the future of the Aztecs and where will they play football if/when the Chargers depart. It seems they are grasping at straws to validate the tax payers to pay for the lions share of a new stadium (Fabianni/Chargers said up front that the city/tax payers will be responsible for 60% of a $1.3 billion stadium). When it comes to stadium discussions you rarely ever hear the Chargers and Aztecs mentioned in the same sentence. It doesn't take a genius to understand why this has been the case. I laugh every time I have heard a sports radio talk show host say that SDSU may have to shut down football on the Mesa. This will not happen. Just some extra food for thought. If SDSU drops football where does that leave the rest of Aztec sports? Without a football program they would no longer be allowed to be a member of the Mountain West Conference (unless some expcepton was made for them; doubtful). All other sports would likely be moved to the Big West. The last time we flirted with that option our basketball fans were not so pleased. Not only will SDSU build its own stadium they will thrive and be better off once they do. In once sentence you state that SDSU won't have to shut down football and then the next you start it off "if SDSU drops football..." We'd just become another Cal St school without football and able to put whatever funds into Hoops and the Olympic sports. It would be a sad day for me, but no worse than if the Bolts Bolt.
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Post by ab on Feb 18, 2015 15:02:47 GMT -8
Too risky on that site, with its environmental issues and a behemoth structure to destroy/rebuild. That's not an inexpensive project. It's not just a normal piece of land in Mission Valley. Mark my words, there will be few to no buyers for that property when the chargers leave it. It will drop in SDSU's lap. The City will be begging SDSU to take it off their hands. OK Mark your words. Why? With the Vulcan property now being converted to Condos and Apartments, the Q site is just about all that's left in Mission Valley to develop.
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Post by ab on Feb 18, 2015 15:05:32 GMT -8
There are those Aztec fans on the other thread about the Stadium Task Force, who firmly believe that State already has a plan to build an on-campus stadium. I for one doubt it as I don't think they've got $$$ earmarked for it. Same for taking over the Q spot, where's the $$ coming from? Unless Hirschman or Sterk come out with a statement that we (Aztec fans) shouldn't worry, then I won't believe they've got a tangible plan. Why would the Aztecs stick their neck out at this time when the Chargers are looking for scapegoats? Fabiani is throwing anyone he can under the bus and would do the same if the Aztecs said to hell with the Chargers. As I stated, I won't believe State has a tangible plan until I hear it. They had to fundraise to build the Jam Center since they apparently didn't have the funds for that. They complain that they're understaffed in the Athletic Administration due to lack of funds. What makes anybody think they've got $200 Mill + set aside for a football stadium?
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Post by Village Aztec on Feb 18, 2015 15:11:17 GMT -8
If you are staring a business what better place to find partners and experts then aztecmesa?
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Feb 18, 2015 16:42:26 GMT -8
Well, there certainly has been a lot of political posturing over the last few days. I did find it interesting that several sports talk radio hosts on both 1360 and 1090 have now started talking about the future of the Aztecs and where will they play football if/when the Chargers depart. It seems they are grasping at straws to validate the tax payers to pay for the lions share of a new stadium (Fabianni/Chargers said up front that the city/tax payers will be responsible for 60% of a $1.3 billion stadium). When it comes to stadium discussions you rarely ever hear the Chargers and Aztecs mentioned in the same sentence. It doesn't take a genius to understand why this has been the case. I laugh every time I have heard a sports radio talk show host say that SDSU may have to shut down football on the Mesa. This will not happen. Just some extra food for thought. If SDSU drops football where does that leave the rest of Aztec sports? Without a football program they would no longer be allowed to be a member of the Mountain West Conference (unless some expcepton was made for them; doubtful). All other sports would likely be moved to the Big West. The last time we flirted with that option our basketball fans were not so pleased. Not only will SDSU build its own stadium they will thrive and be better off once they do. In once sentence you state that SDSU won't have to shut down football and then the next you start it off "if SDSU drops football..." We'd just become another Cal St school without football and able to put whatever funds into Hoops and the Olympic sports. It would be a sad day for me, but no worse than if the Bolts Bolt. Prefaced by "just some extra food for thought"
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Feb 18, 2015 16:51:22 GMT -8
Well, there certainly has been a lot of political posturing over the last few days. I did find it interesting that several sports talk radio hosts on both 1360 and 1090 have now started talking about the future of the Aztecs and where will they play football if/when the Chargers depart. It seems they are grasping at straws to validate the tax payers to pay for the lions share of a new stadium (Fabianni/Chargers said up front that the city/tax payers will be responsible for 60% of a $1.3 billion stadium). When it comes to stadium discussions you rarely ever hear the Chargers and Aztecs mentioned in the same sentence. It doesn't take a genius to understand why this has been the case. I laugh every time I have heard a sports radio talk show host say that SDSU may have to shut down football on the Mesa. This will not happen. Just some extra food for thought. If SDSU drops football where does that leave the rest of Aztec sports? Without a football program they would no longer be allowed to be a member of the Mountain West Conference (unless some expcepton was made for them; doubtful). All other sports would likely be moved to the Big West. The last time we flirted with that option our basketball fans were not so pleased. Not only will SDSU build its own stadium they will thrive and be better off once they do. Will not happen huh? Don't count me amount the convinced. Football is entertainment, not a necessity. [/b] I agree. But you wouldn't guess that with the comments of most Charger fans on this board. I have said that a West Campus expansion is more important than a football stadium. Certainly I would be bummed if SDSU lost football. However, I truly don't believe that will happen.
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Post by SD Johnny on Feb 19, 2015 5:23:13 GMT -8
Why would the Aztecs stick their neck out at this time when the Chargers are looking for scapegoats? Fabiani is throwing anyone he can under the bus and would do the same if the Aztecs said to hell with the Chargers. As I stated, I won't believe State has a tangible plan until I hear it. They had to fundraise to build the Jam Center since they apparently didn't have the funds for that. They complain that they're understaffed in the Athletic Administration due to lack of funds. What makes anybody think they've got $200 Mill + set aside for a football stadium? I find it odd that you have blind faith that a Chargers stadium will get done without a clue of how it wil be financed but doubt SDSU can without hearing Sterk or Hirshman announce financing details. This despite it being a stadium that would be approximately 1/5 of the cost of a Chargers stadium ($250m vs $1.2B) and the bulk of the funding could be obtained by a simple majority vote of the students that wouldn't even be paying for it as the fee wouldn't be implemented until the project is complete. As it stands today the Chargers need $850M and the approval of 2/3rds of the voters. I have my doubts there will even be a Chargers stadium vote at all.
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 8:05:38 GMT -8
Will not happen huh? Don't count me amount the convinced. Football is entertainment, not a necessity. [/b] I agree. But you wouldn't guess that with the comments of most Charger fans on this board. I have said that a West Campus expansion is more important than a football stadium. Certainly I would be bummed if SDSU lost football. However, I truly don't believe that will happen. [/quote] I am one of the Chargers fans on this board that believes a new stadium for San Diego is in assessing. For San Diego to have the cultural and entertainment opportunities a major city has we need and unnecessary waste of money.a new stadium. For San Diego State specifically, you may have a hard time convincing a group of academics that football is necessity and deserves the money needed to survive. It could easily be justified by them that the use of money better served in other areas of the University and CSU system.
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 8:26:34 GMT -8
As I stated, I won't believe State has a tangible plan until I hear it. They had to fundraise to build the Jam Center since they apparently didn't have the funds for that. They complain that they're understaffed in the Athletic Administration due to lack of funds. What makes anybody think they've got $200 Mill + set aside for a football stadium? I find it odd that you have blind faith that a Chargers stadium will get done without a clue of how it wil be financed but doubt SDSU can without hearing Sterk or Hirshman announce financing details. This despite it being a stadium that would be approximately 1/5 of the cost of a Chargers stadium ($250m vs $1.2B) and the bulk of the funding could be obtained by a simple majority vote of the students that wouldn't even be paying for it as the fee wouldn't be implemented until the project is complete. As it stands today the Chargers need $850M and the approval of 2/3rds of the voters. I have my doubts there will even be a Chargers stadium vote at all. I find it odd that you say anyone has faith a new stadium will be done in San Diego. No one has said this. What I do find odd is the comfort level you and others seem to have in SDSU and the CSU system of being able to purchase the Q property and build a new stadium on it. All we hear is how broke the state and CSU system is. Isnt that the argument we hear time and again with regards to hiring a new football coach? Yet at the same time you bluster that there will magically be money to purchase the Q site (what $300million?), handle maintenance on the existing facility ($10million/year) + $80million of deferred maintenance, demo the existing stadium (as a W.A.G. $120million), then build a new stadium ($200 million?). This totals in the neighborhood of $620million WITHOUT any other improvements on the property such as classrooms, dorms, or research facilities. I think it would be far north of that number in reality. You feel comfortable this will happen at a time when other schools in the CSU system are struggling to stay open? Talk about blind faith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:00:51 GMT -8
I find it odd that you have blind faith that a Chargers stadium will get done without a clue of how it wil be financed but doubt SDSU can without hearing Sterk or Hirshman announce financing details. This despite it being a stadium that would be approximately 1/5 of the cost of a Chargers stadium ($250m vs $1.2B) and the bulk of the funding could be obtained by a simple majority vote of the students that wouldn't even be paying for it as the fee wouldn't be implemented until the project is complete. As it stands today the Chargers need $850M and the approval of 2/3rds of the voters. I have my doubts there will even be a Chargers stadium vote at all. I find it odd that you say anyone has faith a new stadium will be done in San Diego. No one has said this. I've said it. Still believe it too. But it's not "blind" faith and contrary to the OP's assertion, we do have a clue as to how it will be financed; through a TOT, combined with contributions from the chargers and low interest, long term loan from the NFL. The specifics may be up in the air at this point but that's far different than not having "a clue". :-)
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 9:03:53 GMT -8
I find it odd that you say anyone has faith a new stadium will be done in San Diego. No one has said this. I've said it. Still believe it too. :-) I stand corrected. I must admit that I love your conviction on the matter. I have read every post on this thread and you have been pretty clear on this. Give me hope man, give me hope.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:11:57 GMT -8
As I stated, I won't believe State has a tangible plan until I hear it. They had to fundraise to build the Jam Center since they apparently didn't have the funds for that. They complain that they're understaffed in the Athletic Administration due to lack of funds. What makes anybody think they've got $200 Mill + set aside for a football stadium? I find it odd that you have blind faith that a Chargers stadium will get done without a clue of how it wil be financed but doubt SDSU can without hearing Sterk or Hirshman announce financing details. This despite it being a stadium that would be approximately 1/5 of the cost of a Chargers stadium ($250m vs $1.2B) and the bulk of the funding could be obtained by a simple majority vote of the students that wouldn't even be paying for it as the fee wouldn't be implemented until the project is complete. As it stands today the Chargers need $850M and the approval of 2/3rds of the voters. I have my doubts there will even be a Chargers stadium vote at all. There are times when pulling numbers out of ones lower alimentary canal bolsters ones argument. This isn't one of those times.
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Post by SD Johnny on Feb 19, 2015 9:24:55 GMT -8
And you guys wonder why we call you Chargers Honks...
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Post by rebar619 on Feb 19, 2015 9:28:00 GMT -8
And you guys wonder why we call you Chargers Honks... And you wonder why you are irrelevant... You add such wonderful insight and constructive dialogue to the conversation ( sarcasm intended)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:33:30 GMT -8
And you guys wonder why we call you Chargers Honks... No actually, I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:54:15 GMT -8
Give me hope man, give me hope. That's all you got. And I get the sense from you that you're on your knees each night in deep prayer over the matter. You come across as a nervous and desperate Charger fan. As you should be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 9:56:28 GMT -8
EDIT: Quoted wrong poster
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