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Post by oldie on Jan 31, 2015 21:31:28 GMT -8
it is so dam# frustrating watching his offensive play. signs of what could be, then signs of a big tall skinny 9 year old. against usu, an air ball finger roll? you gots to wonder if he's afraid to get fouled or worries about a charge. there's no hard drive to the basket. I've been hoping each game that he comes out of whatever alternate universe he goes to and lets all that talent come out. he does once in awhile and we get excited, then back to lala land. maybe it's time for pope to start and have ws come off the bench. he needs some kind of a wake up call. come on ws, we are all waiting. get your o on the same page as your d and rebounding. I had to stop reading at "air ball finger roll." Yes, I cheer for him and want him to do well, but yet another game goes by and I am more excited by somebody else. I think we all want him to do incredibly well. there's so much talent.
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Post by drshotblock on Jan 31, 2015 21:39:32 GMT -8
The way to think about Shep (and JJ) is to try to see them holistically. Shep shuts dudes down on D and in a general sense makes good plays on offense. He sucks at finishing. It is hard to watch him F up those finishes, but is only part of the game. I like Shep and constantly root for him but know he is going to blow the fast break layup. Meanwhile, Malik Pope is the very bright future.
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Post by aztecmichael on Jan 31, 2015 21:53:10 GMT -8
To me, he is like a catcher that cannot throw the ball back to the pitcher. When you are 6'8", you make layups by accident. To miss as many as he has lately, it is completely a mental block.
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Post by northcountymike on Jan 31, 2015 22:51:30 GMT -8
To me, he is like a catcher that cannot throw the ball back to the pitcher. When you are 6'8", you make layups by accident. To miss as many as he has lately, it is completely a mental block. "Lately?" I'm not too sure about that...
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Post by MarshallU on Jan 31, 2015 23:11:51 GMT -8
To me, he is like a catcher that cannot throw the ball back to the pitcher. When you are 6'8", you make layups by accident. To miss as many as he has lately, it is completely a mental block. "Lately?" I'm not too sure about that... do all schools have garbage fans like this?!? or are we just lucky to have so many? 20-point win... and we can't get through the night without piling on one of our own. smh
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Post by northcountymike on Feb 1, 2015 1:48:57 GMT -8
"Lately?" I'm not too sure about that... do all schools have garbage fans like this?!? or are we just lucky to have so many? 20-point win... and we can't get through the night without piling on one of our own. smh Monty, again with the name-calling? You seem to enjoy singling me out; I'm sorry if my observations of the team offend you that much. I'm sorry that it hurts your eyes to read that "garbage fans" think that we have an issue with our guys being unable to finish around the rim. Please, try to not make this thread a personal one (like last time). I'm sure other people would like to post before you get it locked.
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Post by waxxon on Feb 1, 2015 7:18:37 GMT -8
mods, stuff this spammer
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Post by MarshallU on Feb 1, 2015 8:25:17 GMT -8
would rather see a post on fake passports than one where we bash our own
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Post by zollner on Feb 1, 2015 8:30:13 GMT -8
Too bad Shep can't use either hand around the rim. It would save him from all the contortions he goes through to try and finish with his right hand.
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Post by csfoster on Feb 1, 2015 8:41:35 GMT -8
I had to stop reading at "air ball finger roll." Yes, I cheer for him and want him to do well, but yet another game goes by and I am more excited by somebody else. I think we all want him to do incredibly well. there's so much talent. Yes we do and yes he does but he has to either quit trying too hard or accept the fact that it is not as easy as he thinks.
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Post by moctezumaii on Feb 1, 2015 8:54:42 GMT -8
would rather see a post on fake passports than one where we bash our own They're opinions. They don't draw real blood. Why don't you harden up a little?
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 1, 2015 9:54:38 GMT -8
My son, who I believe is coincidentally the same age as Shep, was a poor man's version of Shep when he played baseball and football regularly through middle school. Excellent athlete who was always one of the best players on his team but who also made more than his share of mental mistakes. My son is ADHD, which is beyond his control. I have to wonder whether Shep doesn't have the same problem.
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Post by MarshallU on Feb 1, 2015 10:00:41 GMT -8
My son, who I believe is coincidentally the same age as Shep, was a poor man's version of Shep when he played baseball and football regularly through middle school. Excellent athlete who was always one of the best players on his team but who also made more than his share of mental mistakes. My son is ADHD, which is beyond his control. I have to wonder whether Shep doesn't have the same problem. Perfect! Now Shep has ADHD! Seriously? Mod's please lock this thread. Another one will start up shortly, but at least lock this one.
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Post by smoothcat on Feb 1, 2015 10:07:04 GMT -8
I have been critical of Shep offensively and that is valid. He tries hard, but is simply brutal offensively. At this point, it is what it is, he isn't going to magically change this season or next season if he doesn't declare (bad idea Winston) for the draft.
That said, one thing Winston does do pretty darn well in my opinion is set the tone for the team game in and game out both defensively and with hustle. He isn't loafing on the court, the guy is trying hard and I feel he is the one who carried over the junkyard dog defensive mentality from the Jamaal Franklin/Chase Tapley era teams.
Problem is the kind of mistakes he makes are crushing in the close games against better competition. He needs to learn to play to his strengths and attempt to do a lot less dribbling, passing and shooting. Bascially, he needs to play like Dakarai Allen....crash the boards and cut hard to the basket.
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Post by waxxon on Feb 1, 2015 10:09:09 GMT -8
Just because WS III doesn't score as much as people would like they hammer on him. He is a tremendous defensive player, very good rebounder, however has been inconsistent scoring points. He plays because his strengths are a positive for the team. If he was the scoring machine that some here expect him to be, well, lets just say he wouldn't be here any more. I hope he continues to work on his game and finishes out his career here next year
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Post by AccessBowlTime on Feb 1, 2015 11:55:05 GMT -8
My son, who I believe is coincidentally the same age as Shep, was a poor man's version of Shep when he played baseball and football regularly through middle school. Excellent athlete who was always one of the best players on his team but who also made more than his share of mental mistakes. My son is ADHD, which is beyond his control. I have to wonder whether Shep doesn't have the same problem. Perfect! Now Shep has ADHD! Seriously? Mod's please lock this thread. Another one will start up shortly, but at least lock this one. You, sir, are over the top.
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Post by csfoster on Feb 1, 2015 12:04:19 GMT -8
Just because WS III doesn't score as much as people would like they hammer on him. He is a tremendous defensive player, very good rebounder, however has been inconsistent scoring points. He plays because his strengths are a positive for the team. If he was the scoring machine that some here expect him to be, well, lets just say he wouldn't be here any more. I hope he continues to work on his game and finishes out his career here next year I do not expect him to score a whole lot of points every game. I do expect him to stop turning the ball over and stop taking bad shots.
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Post by MarshallU on Feb 1, 2015 12:19:30 GMT -8
Perfect! Now Shep has ADHD! Seriously? Mod's please lock this thread. Another one will start up shortly, but at least lock this one. You, sir, are over the top. thanks. keep diagnosing young men on a message board. i'm sure shep appreciates it.
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Post by aztecdan8 on Feb 1, 2015 12:19:48 GMT -8
Hey, most are frustrated with Shep as we see so much physical talent and ability, yet he struggles so much on one of the easier things to do, which is making layups and other short shots at/around the basket.
Compounding it is. ad I have posted before, he over-complicates almost every one of these shots in almost every way imaginable ... Double pump, triple pump, finger roll, unneeded euro step, fading every which way, etc.
Plus you add all the turnovers ... The loose handles and bad passes and taking the 3s. It's a whole package of frustration on O most every game.
He's a stud on D, smart, tough, shut down many nights.
Look, even Ted Leightner lost it last night on radio- two quotes-
"WINSTON SHEPARD CAN NOT DRIBBLE A BASKETBALL!!" ... And ...
"OH MY GOD WINSTON, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH YOU?!".
I'm sure all the Ted haters will trivialize those comments, but Ted loves the Aztecs, this program and everything about it. He went on to extol every virtue of Winston at points , but he is right there with most everyone else.
I'm glad Winston's an Aztec, it's been great to watch him mature, I think he's going to continue to be a key guy for us but because he starts, plays major minutes, and has the ball so much- maybe too much/ you can't help but notice the many issues on O. It's mind boggling in many games. Hard to understand, often hard to watch.
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Post by sdcoug on Feb 1, 2015 12:22:12 GMT -8
Just because WS III doesn't score as much as people would like they hammer on him. He is a tremendous defensive player, very good rebounder, however has been inconsistent scoring points. He plays because his strengths are a positive for the team. If he was the scoring machine that some here expect him to be, well, lets just say he wouldn't be here any more. I hope he continues to work on his game and finishes out his career here next year This. He brings a lot to the game. Can D' very well; is a very good rebounder; can pass well in a half court setting, and is a good, overall leader & teammate. At times he shines on O. The TO's are frustrating, as are the gimme misses but I'd rather have someone who's getting in position to score - even if he converts 35% of the time, than someone who doesn't.
If we want this team to advance we NEED Shep to play well, so hopefully people continue to support him rather than moronically write him off. He's that kind of talent.
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