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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 16:28:27 GMT -8
your taking the quote out of context completely, he was responding to a question about peoples expectations of the football team being as good as the basketball team. It was not complaining about fans ex nihilo. By way almost every Coach I know feels the same way. The only thing about Rocky is if you ask him he will tell you in that respect he is like Coach Gilbert. He is being brutally honest.
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Post by gocoaztec on Oct 29, 2014 16:51:14 GMT -8
How many (mostly sophomore) Aztecs were on the recent mid season all MWC list? Our struggles at developing depth at QB seems to have totally blinded a lot of folks regarding the strong recruiting we've enjoyed in many other positions.
How good would Fresno have been last year without Carr? Most G5 schools are lucky to have one pretty good QB, and are only a couple of key injuries away from a losing season.
We had a ton of holes in our recruiting when Rocky and Co took over -- few appreciate the masterful job they've done with very few resources to hide those weaknesses and keep winning.
If our recruiting at other positions is any indication, we'll have a run of strong QBs soon. Hopefully, our young Mr. Bawden will be part of that resurgence at QB.
And after A LIFETIME of waiting for Aztec sports to do ANYTHING, yes I have the patience to support building the kind of strong FB program that will last.
Go Aztecs -- Pound the Pack!
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 29, 2014 16:54:39 GMT -8
I fought the negative nellies last year a whole bunch. I put together thoughtful, well researched posts, made accurate comparisons, defended Rocky, put the logic out there that is a good coach, not a great one, but the one we need to position us for a P5 invite, etc. So if someone disagrees with you they're automatically wrong or an idiot? Isn't it just as possible that your assessment is a little on the rosy side and misses some key logic that the people with those differing opinions have brought up. Like, for example, the fact that Rocky has never built a top notch program. He's built ONE solid program in New Mexico that did pretty well, but not great. He's been an assistant coach for some good, but not great teams, but he's never played on or coached for a top notch team. He's never even seen it done from the inside to learn by example. How would he know how to put together a transcendant program (that is better than the conference they are in, which is what we need to be) when he's never even been a part of one? Ever. His BEST year in New Mexico saw his team win only 8 games in the regular season (with a win in the New Mexico Bowl to end that season) - 8 wins in the regular season was his ceiling. Now, that's a fairly remarkable achievement given where that program was, and how far it's fallen since he left, but it's not enough to say that he can win 10 games in the regular season here. Not even close. The teams that he coached as an assistant didn't do any better with the exception of ONE year at UCLA where they won 9 games in the regular season and went on to win a Bowl game. That was the best team he was ever a part of. He never coached on a team that won 10 games in the regular season. He never saw it done, he doesn't know first hand what makes great coaches better than good coaches because he's never learned from great coaches. He's learned from good ones. Rocky Long is a GOOD, SOLID coach. Nothing more, nothing less. People point to toughness and recruiting improvements. That isn't translating to dominant wins against bad teams, which it should. If you have better, tougher players and a really good coaching staff you should win by at least three touchdowns against lesser competition. But recruiting is like the NFL draft - it isn't an exact science. It's a crapshoot. You may hit on the players at a 50% rate if you're lucky. We HOPE that the players we've got will be those better players. We THINK they may be. But are they? Do we really have the depth we need to elevate this program? We know we don't at QB. These are Rocky's players. This is his 4th year as HC, and his 6th year with recruiting input. 90% of the players on this team are his. Having said all that, Rocky isn't going anywhere. Rocky has a good, solid record with SDSU, just not as good as we would have hoped to see by this point after the 2010 season. That's all. Rocky has been a solid coach, maintaining the gains made in 2009 and 2010. Hopefully he can do what almost no coach in college football history has ever done - improve as a coach past the age of 65. I respectfully disagree, because 8-4 in the regular season in this crappy conference will impress exactly zero AD's and college Presidents in P5 conferences. On that we completely agree. GO AZTECS!!!
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 29, 2014 17:15:53 GMT -8
Make no mistake, Rocky Long is our best shot at getting into a P5 conference.
There is no other scenario based in reality where we hire some other coach who gets us there faster. That coach would require money we don't have. If we hire an up and comer who actually performs better than Rocky would have (extremely unlikely) he will just get hired away within 2 years and we'll have another coaching void turn into losses. Continuity of staff is extremely important to building a program that can have sustained success. A one year wonder season is worthless as Fresno has already demonstrated.
Yes, Rocky will be here for awhile, but it's not because anyone is settling for mediocrity. It's because it is the best course for SDSU to stay on for very good reasons.
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Post by SDSU-Alum2003 on Oct 29, 2014 18:57:03 GMT -8
I would love Rocky Long as a head coach if his teams won anything meaningful, but alas he has not. You don't consider winning the MWC and going to 4 straight bowl games meaningful?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 29, 2014 19:27:44 GMT -8
"Make no mistake, Rocky Long is our best shot at getting into a P5 conference." There is no other scenario based in reality where we hire some other coach who gets us there faster. Well, that's a negative, defeatist attitude that isn't itself based in reality. There absolutely are coaches out there that we could hire that could get us there faster. How likely it is that the search committee could identify such a coach? Who knows? The search firm correctly identified Jimbo Fisher when Jeff Schemmel insanely hired Chuck Long instead. Again, we could easily get Terry Bowden, and he'd stick around for 8 or 10 years since he's been blacklisted by most P5 programs in the good old boy network. He's only making HALF of what Rocky is making, so money wouldn't be an issue there. And Bowden is just one coach. (Granted, he's a coach who has done the near impossible by building lowly Akron into a decent football program, something that seemed like a longshot at best when he was first hired there.) Then there's the flawed logic that says that a younger, up and coming coach would automatically leave after having one or two good seasons here. If those one or two seasons led us to a P5 conference why would he leave? He could command a big pay raise as soon as we hit the P5. He would then get a raise in prestige as well as money with a job coaching an SDSU P5 school. That's something that has to be considered as well as the possibility of such a coach leaving for a, "Bigger," job. If we were invited into the Big 12 there would be damned few jobs that would truly be bigger and better. So while we're on this path at least through the 2015 season (Rocky is almost 65 after all, he has reached retirement age), and probably through the 2016 season, that doesn't mean that Rocky is without question our best option at the moment. He is a safe option. He is a secure option. He is a solid option. But the best? No, there are better options out there, however, going after one of those options requires taking some risk. Rocky is not risky, and right now it is very clear that about 2/3 of the core Aztec fan base isn't in the mood to take risks. It is what it is. Rocky is here for at least one more season, and probably one or two more after that. He's not real likely to fall on his face (although he did at the end of his tenure in New Mexico), so while I don't believe for a second that we'll see 10-2 regular seasons under Rocky Long we're not very likely to fall below .500 at the end of any season with him as head coach, either. 7-5, 8-4, that's the kind of regular season result we will likely see for the next few years, and that IS a lot better than what we had from 1997 through 2008.
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Post by fanhood on Oct 29, 2014 19:42:10 GMT -8
"Make no mistake, Rocky Long is our best shot at getting into a P5 conference." There is no other scenario based in reality where we hire some other coach who gets us there faster. Well, that's a negative, defeatist attitude that isn't itself based in reality. There absolutely are coaches out there that we could hire that could get us there faster. How likely it is that the search committee could identify such a coach? Who knows? The search firm correctly identified Jimbo Fisher when Jeff Schemmel insanely hired Chuck Long instead. Again, we could easily get Terry Bowden, and he'd stick around for 8 or 10 years since he's been blacklisted by most P5 programs in the good old boy network. He's only making HALF of what Rocky is making, so money wouldn't be an issue there. And Bowden is just one coach. (Granted, he's a coach who has done the near impossible by building lowly Akron into a decent football program, something that seemed like a longshot at best when he was first hired there.) Then there's the flawed logic that says that a younger, up and coming coach would automatically leave after having one or two good seasons here. If those one or two seasons led us to a P5 conference why would he leave? He could command a big pay raise as soon as we hit the P5. He would then get a raise in prestige as well as money with a job coaching an SDSU P5 school. That's something that has to be considered as well as the possibility of such a coach leaving for a, "Bigger," job. If we were invited into the Big 12 there would be damned few jobs that would truly be bigger and better. So while we're on this path at least through the 2015 season (Rocky is almost 65 after all, he has reached retirement age), and probably through the 2016 season, that doesn't mean that Rocky is without question our best option at the moment. He is a safe option. He is a secure option. He is a solid option. But the best? No, there are better options out there, however, going after one of those options requires taking some risk. Rocky is not risky, and right now it is very clear that about 2/3 of the core Aztec fan base isn't in the mood to take risks. It is what it is. Rocky is here for at least one more season, and probably one or two more after that. He's not real likely to fall on his face (although he did at the end of his tenure in New Mexico), so while I don't believe for a second that we'll see 10-2 regular seasons under Rocky Long we're not very likely to fall below .500 at the end of any season with him as head coach, either. 7-5, 8-4, that's the kind of regular season result we will likely see for the next few years, and that IS a lot better than what we had from 1997 through 2008. Please stop with the P5 stuff. What P5 will invite us? The ACC? nope. The SEC? riiighhht. The Pac 12? No, not a snowballs chance in hell, as they already have the Southern California market. The Big 10? mmmm....no. The Big 12? oh yea, that is the rumor that keeps sprouting up, but where in the hell did it come from? It came from some mid-level Aztec staffers leaked email where we were simply selling ourselves to the Big 12 and laughing at BYU while doing so. Nobody outside of Tommy Tubberville ever really mentioned it, and we have no evidence to support that it is possible. We are in the Mountain West Conference, which year in and year out can be the 6th best conference in the country. If we keep winning, Boise gets back to the level they have been at, Fresno and CSU play at a high level, it can be a great conference. We need to win the MW, and upset some teams. Again, we are bad QB play away from being 6-1 and being considered for an access bowl. Stop acting as if the sky is falling.
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Post by fanhood on Oct 29, 2014 19:44:49 GMT -8
Well, that's a negative, defeatist attitude that isn't itself based in reality. There absolutely are coaches out there that we could hire that could get us there faster. How likely it is that the search committee could identify such a coach? Who knows? The search firm correctly identified Jimbo Fisher when Jeff Schemmel insanely hired Chuck Long instead. Again, we could easily get Terry Bowden, and he'd stick around for 8 or 10 years since he's been blacklisted by most P5 programs in the good old boy network. He's only making HALF of what Rocky is making, so money wouldn't be an issue there. And Bowden is just one coach. (Granted, he's a coach who has done the near impossible by building lowly Akron into a decent football program, something that seemed like a longshot at best when he was first hired there.) Then there's the flawed logic that says that a younger, up and coming coach would automatically leave after having one or two good seasons here. If those one or two seasons led us to a P5 conference why would he leave? He could command a big pay raise as soon as we hit the P5. He would then get a raise in prestige as well as money with a job coaching an SDSU P5 school. That's something that has to be considered as well as the possibility of such a coach leaving for a, "Bigger," job. If we were invited into the Big 12 there would be damned few jobs that would truly be bigger and better. So while we're on this path at least through the 2015 season (Rocky is almost 65 after all, he has reached retirement age), and probably through the 2016 season, that doesn't mean that Rocky is without question our best option at the moment. He is a safe option. He is a secure option. He is a solid option. But the best? No, there are better options out there, however, going after one of those options requires taking some risk. Rocky is not risky, and right now it is very clear that about 2/3 of the core Aztec fan base isn't in the mood to take risks. It is what it is. Rocky is here for at least one more season, and probably one or two more after that. He's not real likely to fall on his face (although he did at the end of his tenure in New Mexico), so while I don't believe for a second that we'll see 10-2 regular seasons under Rocky Long we're not very likely to fall below .500 at the end of any season with him as head coach, either. 7-5, 8-4, that's the kind of regular season result we will likely see for the next few years, and that IS a lot better than what we had from 1997 through 2008. Please stop with the P5 stuff. What P5 will invite us? The ACC? nope. The SEC? riiighhht. The Pac 12? No, not a snowballs chance in hell, as they already have the Southern California market. The Big 10? mmmm....no. The Big 12? oh yea, that is the rumor that keeps sprouting up, but where in the hell did it come from? It came from some mid-level Aztec staffers leaked email where we were simply selling ourselves to the Big 12 and laughing at BYU while doing so. Nobody outside of Tommy Tubberville ever really mentioned it, and we have no evidence to support that it is possible. We are in the Mountain West Conference, which year in and year out can be the 6th best conference in the country. If we keep winning, Boise gets back to the level they have been at, Fresno and CSU play at a high level, it can be a great conference. We need to win the MW, and upset some teams. Again, we are bad QB play away from being 6-1 and being considered for an access bowl. Stop acting as if the sky is falling. And what is with the Terry Bowden obsession? I agree he would have been a good hire 6 years ago. However, Rocky Long is equally capable of leading us to MW titles, as he has already proven.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 29, 2014 20:14:26 GMT -8
Please stop with the P5 stuff. What P5 will invite us? The ACC? nope. The SEC? riiighhht. The Pac 12? No, not a snowballs chance in hell, as they already have the Southern California market. The Big 10? mmmm....no. The Big 12? oh yea, that is the rumor that keeps sprouting up, but where in the hell did it come from? It came from some mid-level Aztec staffers leaked email where we were simply selling ourselves to the Big 12 and laughing at BYU while doing so. Nobody outside of Tommy Tubberville ever really mentioned it, and we have no evidence to support that it is possible. We are in the Mountain West Conference, which year in and year out can be the 6th best conference in the country. If we keep winning, Boise gets back to the level they have been at, Fresno and CSU play at a high level, it can be a great conference. We need to win the MW, and upset some teams. Again, we are bad QB play away from being 6-1 and being considered for an access bowl. Stop acting as if the sky is falling. As far as the MWC being a, "Great," conference - you're on crack. The MWC is garbage. There isn't a single MWC team that is even worthy of discussion as a Top 35 team, let alone a Top 25 team. Our best teams can't even compete with the mid level P5 teams. Boise has fallen back to earth, Fresno's garbage, Colorado State's having a nice year, but they're still not that good. Seriously, name one team in the MWC that is good on the level of a decent P5 program? There isn't one. It's a crap conference, and as long as we're stuck in it our football program will be in the red. This school cannot and will not subsidize the football program to the tune of millions of dollars indefinitely. Unless we get into a better conference attendance will still be too low to get us into the black. Our opponents aren't the least bit exciting to the local football fans - including a vast majority of SDSU alums. That says a lot right there - the level of our opponents is so bad that even most SDSU alums don't take the program seriously. Think about that. First off, Terry Bowden is a much smarter person than Rocky Long. He is also a damned good motivator (while he was out of coaching he made a good living as a motivational speaker). The man has advanced college degrees and attended freaking Oxford for crying out loud. He isn't just another football coach. The man has a Juris Doctorate. He's both an intellectual and an athlete. Rocky is an athlete. There's nothing wrong with that. Rocky is a good coach. Bowden is just better. In coaching the smarter and more creative you are the better. Rocky is capable of leading the team to MWC titles once every 2 or 3 years, and he is capable of keeping the program at 7-5 or 8-4 in the regular season, but that is likely his ceiling. Bowden's ceiling is higher. It's a moot point, though. Our administration is timid and only has middling support for the program (and that has been proven decade after decade since 1980). Whatever. You win. Rocky's our man. For better or worse, Rocky's going to continue as our head coach until he retires (which, given his age, will be sooner rather than later). We could do a lot worse. Hell, we did much worse for a decade...(Bring on the usual responses about how I'm slamming Rocky and calling him a bad coach, etc, etc, which I never have. Hell, for every single one of you who has been so high and mighty lately in your condemnation of those who are not satisfied with Rocky as head coach remember this - when MOST of you were slamming the hiring of Rocky Long as Aztec HC I was one of only a handful of people defending that hire and saying that it was the best move at the time. That's just a fact. At least 80% of the people on this board were against the hire at the time, but I wasn't. I was for the hiring of Rocky Long when Hoke bailed, and I vigorously defended both Sterk's decision and Rocky as a HC.)
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 29, 2014 22:00:21 GMT -8
Yes Erik, you are always right. You've told us 1000 times.
And splitting my comments so you can address them out of context is a pretty low ball debate tactic.
What I outlined is certainly more based in reality than your proposal. Lol at suggesting your scenario of up and comer gets us to P5 in 2 years and stays for a decade is somehow just as plausible as it not happening. Thats like a million to one odd scenario right there. But I'm the one not based on reality hahhaha.
My opinion is not defeatist or unrealistic. I truly believe Consistency will get us to where we all want to go (P5) faster than anything else. I do believe Rocky can get us 10+ wins and he will in the next couple years.
And you are flat wrong in suggesting that only 2/3 of the core Aztec fans support Rocky just because a poll on your board with only 70 total votes showed that. I can guarantee that if you polled all season ticket holders you'd get 90% plus support for Rocky.
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Post by spaztec33 on Oct 29, 2014 22:21:28 GMT -8
Please stop with the P5 stuff. What P5 will invite us? The ACC? nope. The SEC? riiighhht. The Pac 12? No, not a snowballs chance in hell, as they already have the Southern California market. The Big 10? mmmm....no. The Big 12? oh yea, that is the rumor that keeps sprouting up, but where in the hell did it come from? It came from some mid-level Aztec staffers leaked email where we were simply selling ourselves to the Big 12 and laughing at BYU while doing so. Nobody outside of Tommy Tubberville ever really mentioned it, and we have no evidence to support that it is possible. We are in the Mountain West Conference, which year in and year out can be the 6th best conference in the country. If we keep winning, Boise gets back to the level they have been at, Fresno and CSU play at a high level, it can be a great conference. We need to win the MW, and upset some teams. Again, we are bad QB play away from being 6-1 and being considered for an access bowl. Stop acting as if the sky is falling. As far as the MWC being a, "Great," conference - you're on crack. The MWC is garbage. There isn't a single MWC team that is even worthy of discussion as a Top 35 team, let alone a Top 25 team. Our best teams can't even compete with the mid level P5 teams. Boise has fallen back to earth, Fresno's garbage, Colorado State's having a nice year, but they're still not that good. Seriously, name one team in the MWC that is good on the level of a decent P5 program? There isn't one. It's a crap conference, and as long as we're stuck in it our football program will be in the red. This school cannot and will not subsidize the football program to the tune of millions of dollars indefinitely. Unless we get into a better conference attendance will still be too low to get us into the black. Our opponents aren't the least bit exciting to the local football fans - including a vast majority of SDSU alums. That says a lot right there - the level of our opponents is so bad that even most SDSU alums don't take the program seriously. Think about that. First off, Terry Bowden is a much smarter person than Rocky Long. He is also a damned good motivator (while he was out of coaching he made a good living as a motivational speaker). The man has advanced college degrees and attended freaking Oxford for crying out loud. He isn't just another football coach. The man has a Juris Doctorate. He's both an intellectual and an athlete. Rocky is an athlete. There's nothing wrong with that. Rocky is a good coach. Bowden is just better. In coaching the smarter and more creative you are the better. Rocky is capable of leading the team to MWC titles once every 2 or 3 years, and he is capable of keeping the program at 7-5 or 8-4 in the regular season, but that is likely his ceiling. Bowden's ceiling is higher. It's a moot point, though. Our administration is timid and only has middling support for the program (and that has been proven decade after decade since 1980). Whatever. You win. Rocky's our man. For better or worse, Rocky's going to continue as our head coach until he retires (which, given his age, will be sooner rather than later). We could do a lot worse. Hell, we did much worse for a decade...(Bring on the usual responses about how I'm slamming Rocky and calling him a bad coach, etc, etc, which I never have. Hell, for every single one of you who has been so high and mighty lately in your condemnation of those who are not satisfied with Rocky as head coach remember this - when MOST of you were slamming the hiring of Rocky Long as Aztec HC I was one of only a handful of people defending that hire and saying that it was the best move at the time. That's just a fact. At least 80% of the people on this board were against the hire at the time, but I wasn't. I was for the hiring of Rocky Long when Hoke bailed, and I vigorously defended both Sterk's decision and Rocky as a HC.) Bowden is smarter than RL because he has a JD? Please. What the heck kind of approach is that?
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Post by fanhood on Oct 30, 2014 3:38:23 GMT -8
I laughed my ass off at the JD comment. The rest is just useless repeated drivel that I'm tired of responding to.
When we finish 9-3 or 8-4 and are playing in the Championship game, will the vocal minority complain?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2014 3:54:45 GMT -8
Bowden is smarter than RL because he has a JD? Please. What the heck kind of approach is that? Bowden's got advanced degrees and attended Oxford. I'd say that indicates that he's a pretty damned smart guy, wouldn't you? Rocky's not stupid by any stretch of the imagination, but he doesn't have advanced degrees and I doubt he could have qualified to attend Oxford (getting accepted there isn't exactly easy). There's no shame in that - most people who apply for Oxford are turned down. A lot of very, very smart people get turned down. You guys keep ignoring the fact that I am not slamming Rocky. I am not calling for his firing, and I was among the tiny minority who supported him when he was hired as HC (a fact that is CONSTANTLY ignored by those who were very vocal in their opposition to his hiring, but are now very vocal in their support of his staying as HC as long as he wants). I'm just saying that I don't believe he's going to take us to the next level (10 regular season wins followed by at least 9 regular season wins the following season). If I'm wrong I'll be one of the happiest Aztec fans here and I'll admit that I was wrong. I just don't see that happening. I don't know why saying that he's a good coach isn't good enough for you guys. It's like you're going into conniption fits because someone doesn't agree that Rocky is the guy to take this program up to the next level. No one is saying that Rocky is incompetent. No one is even saying that he isn't good. All some of us are saying is that there are better coaches out there. There are a lot worse coaches, too. Rocky has done an admirable job of maintaining the program and keeping the basic philosophy brought to the program by Brady Hoke and his staff (of which Rocky was a key part) in 2009. Look, we agree on more than we disagree on. We all want the Aztecs to win as many games as possible and to get to the best Bowl game possible every year. But with any fanbase there are going to be disagreements and dissent. That's a good thing - it shows that the fans actually give a damn about the program/team.
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Post by aztecsiggy on Oct 30, 2014 5:20:06 GMT -8
Please stop with the P5 stuff. What P5 will invite us? The ACC? nope. The SEC? riiighhht. The Pac 12? No, not a snowballs chance in hell, as they already have the Southern California market. The Big 10? mmmm....no. The Big 12? oh yea, that is the rumor that keeps sprouting up, but where in the hell did it come from? It came from some mid-level Aztec staffers leaked email where we were simply selling ourselves to the Big 12 and laughing at BYU while doing so. Nobody outside of Tommy Tubberville ever really mentioned it, and we have no evidence to support that it is possible. We are in the Mountain West Conference, which year in and year out can be the 6th best conference in the country. If we keep winning, Boise gets back to the level they have been at, Fresno and CSU play at a high level, it can be a great conference. We need to win the MW, and upset some teams. Again, we are bad QB play away from being 6-1 and being considered for an access bowl. Stop acting as if the sky is falling. As far as the MWC being a, "Great," conference - you're on crack. The MWC is garbage. There isn't a single MWC team that is even worthy of discussion as a Top 35 team, let alone a Top 25 team. Our best teams can't even compete with the mid level P5 teams. Boise has fallen back to earth, Fresno's garbage, Colorado State's having a nice year, but they're still not that good. Seriously, name one team in the MWC that is good on the level of a decent P5 program? There isn't one. It's a crap conference, and as long as we're stuck in it our football program will be in the red. This school cannot and will not subsidize the football program to the tune of millions of dollars indefinitely. Unless we get into a better conference attendance will still be too low to get us into the black. Our opponents aren't the least bit exciting to the local football fans - including a vast majority of SDSU alums. That says a lot right there - the level of our opponents is so bad that even most SDSU alums don't take the program seriously. Think about that. First off, Terry Bowden is a much smarter person than Rocky Long. He is also a damned good motivator (while he was out of coaching he made a good living as a motivational speaker). The man has advanced college degrees and attended freaking Oxford for crying out loud. He isn't just another football coach. The man has a Juris Doctorate. He's both an intellectual and an athlete. Rocky is an athlete. There's nothing wrong with that. Rocky is a good coach. Bowden is just better. In coaching the smarter and more creative you are the better. Rocky is capable of leading the team to MWC titles once every 2 or 3 years, and he is capable of keeping the program at 7-5 or 8-4 in the regular season, but that is likely his ceiling. Bowden's ceiling is higher. It's a moot point, though. Our administration is timid and only has middling support for the program (and that has been proven decade after decade since 1980). Whatever. You win. Rocky's our man. For better or worse, Rocky's going to continue as our head coach until he retires (which, given his age, will be sooner rather than later). We could do a lot worse. Hell, we did much worse for a decade...(Bring on the usual responses about how I'm slamming Rocky and calling him a bad coach, etc, etc, which I never have. Hell, for every single one of you who has been so high and mighty lately in your condemnation of those who are not satisfied with Rocky as head coach remember this - when MOST of you were slamming the hiring of Rocky Long as Aztec HC I was one of only a handful of people defending that hire and saying that it was the best move at the time. That's just a fact. At least 80% of the people on this board were against the hire at the time, but I wasn't. I was for the hiring of Rocky Long when Hoke bailed, and I vigorously defended both Sterk's decision and Rocky as a HC.) Or are you sayin this...
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Post by ziggy on Oct 30, 2014 5:23:23 GMT -8
So if you don't have advanced degrees you are not as smart as someone who does? Got it.
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 30, 2014 6:34:01 GMT -8
So, there's actually 2 threads where we keep kicking a dead horse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 6:58:22 GMT -8
I laughed my ass off at the JD comment. The rest is just useless repeated drivel that I'm tired of responding to. Then why do you continue to do so? Erik has worked his way onto my personal ignore list. You might try following my lead.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 30, 2014 6:59:04 GMT -8
Bowden is smarter than RL because he has a JD? Please. What the heck kind of approach is that? Bowden's got advanced degrees and attended Oxford. I'd say that indicates that he's a pretty damned smart guy, wouldn't you? Rocky's not stupid by any stretch of the imagination, but he doesn't have advanced degrees and I doubt he could have qualified to attend Oxford (getting accepted there isn't exactly easy). There's no shame in that - most people who apply for Oxford are turned down. A lot of very, very smart people get turned down. You guys keep ignoring the fact that I am not slamming Rocky. I am not calling for his firing, and I was among the tiny minority who supported him when he was hired as HC (a fact that is CONSTANTLY ignored by those who were very vocal in their opposition to his hiring, but are now very vocal in their support of his staying as HC as long as he wants). I'm just saying that I don't believe he's going to take us to the next level (10 regular season wins followed by at least 9 regular season wins the following season). If I'm wrong I'll be one of the happiest Aztec fans here and I'll admit that I was wrong. I just don't see that happening. I don't know why saying that he's a good coach isn't good enough for you guys. It's like you're going into conniption fits because someone doesn't agree that Rocky is the guy to take this program up to the next level. No one is saying that Rocky is incompetent. No one is even saying that he isn't good. All some of us are saying is that there are better coaches out there. There are a lot worse coaches, too. Rocky has done an admirable job of maintaining the program and keeping the basic philosophy brought to the program by Brady Hoke and his staff (of which Rocky was a key part) in 2009. Look, we agree on more than we disagree on. We all want the Aztecs to win as many games as possible and to get to the best Bowl game possible every year. But with any fanbase there are going to be disagreements and dissent. That's a good thing - it shows that the fans actually give a damn about the program/team. Erik the problem is that no one believes you when you say you think Rocky is a good coach but not a great coach. It just comes off as a backhanded way of putting him down. You and William have spent months on here trying to sow the seeds of discontent with Rocky. William was more subtle than you but do you really think everyone on this board was too stupid to realize what you two were trying to do? What the real purpose of Williams novel sized posts was? Then you guys stopped being subtle and were outright suggesting firing as a best course of action. Now you are in full backpedal mode because a poll here didn't go the way you thought it would.
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Post by eeaztec on Oct 30, 2014 7:00:23 GMT -8
Bowden's got advanced degrees and attended Oxford. I'd say that indicates that he's a pretty damned smart guy, wouldn't you? Rocky's not stupid by any stretch of the imagination, but he doesn't have advanced degrees and I doubt he could have qualified to attend Oxford (getting accepted there isn't exactly easy). There's no shame in that - most people who apply for Oxford are turned down. A lot of very, very smart people get turned down. You guys keep ignoring the fact that I am not slamming Rocky. I am not calling for his firing, and I was among the tiny minority who supported him when he was hired as HC (a fact that is CONSTANTLY ignored by those who were very vocal in their opposition to his hiring, but are now very vocal in their support of his staying as HC as long as he wants). I'm just saying that I don't believe he's going to take us to the next level (10 regular season wins followed by at least 9 regular season wins the following season). If I'm wrong I'll be one of the happiest Aztec fans here and I'll admit that I was wrong. I just don't see that happening. I don't know why saying that he's a good coach isn't good enough for you guys. It's like you're going into conniption fits because someone doesn't agree that Rocky is the guy to take this program up to the next level. No one is saying that Rocky is incompetent. No one is even saying that he isn't good. All some of us are saying is that there are better coaches out there. There are a lot worse coaches, too. Rocky has done an admirable job of maintaining the program and keeping the basic philosophy brought to the program by Brady Hoke and his staff (of which Rocky was a key part) in 2009. Look, we agree on more than we disagree on. We all want the Aztecs to win as many games as possible and to get to the best Bowl game possible every year. But with any fanbase there are going to be disagreements and dissent. That's a good thing - it shows that the fans actually give a damn about the program/team. Erik the problem is that no one believes you when you say you think Rocky is a good coach but not a great coach. It just comes off as a backhanded way of putting him down. You and William have spent months on here trying to sow the seeds of discontent with Rocky. William was more subtle than you but do you really think everyone on this board was too stupid to realize what you two were trying to do? What the real purpose of Williams novel sized posts was? Then you guys stopped being subtle and were outright suggesting firing as a best course of action. Now you are in full backpedal mode because a poll here didn't go the way you thought it would. You mean the poll that went the exact opposite of the way they wanted by a landslide.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 30, 2014 9:02:26 GMT -8
Bowden's got advanced degrees and attended Oxford. I'd say that indicates that he's a pretty damned smart guy, wouldn't you? Rocky's not stupid by any stretch of the imagination, but he doesn't have advanced degrees and I doubt he could have qualified to attend Oxford (getting accepted there isn't exactly easy). There's no shame in that - most people who apply for Oxford are turned down. A lot of very, very smart people get turned down. You guys keep ignoring the fact that I am not slamming Rocky. I am not calling for his firing, and I was among the tiny minority who supported him when he was hired as HC (a fact that is CONSTANTLY ignored by those who were very vocal in their opposition to his hiring, but are now very vocal in their support of his staying as HC as long as he wants). I'm just saying that I don't believe he's going to take us to the next level (10 regular season wins followed by at least 9 regular season wins the following season). If I'm wrong I'll be one of the happiest Aztec fans here and I'll admit that I was wrong. I just don't see that happening. I don't know why saying that he's a good coach isn't good enough for you guys. It's like you're going into conniption fits because someone doesn't agree that Rocky is the guy to take this program up to the next level. No one is saying that Rocky is incompetent. No one is even saying that he isn't good. All some of us are saying is that there are better coaches out there. There are a lot worse coaches, too. Rocky has done an admirable job of maintaining the program and keeping the basic philosophy brought to the program by Brady Hoke and his staff (of which Rocky was a key part) in 2009. Look, we agree on more than we disagree on. We all want the Aztecs to win as many games as possible and to get to the best Bowl game possible every year. But with any fanbase there are going to be disagreements and dissent. That's a good thing - it shows that the fans actually give a damn about the program/team. Erik the problem is that no one believes you when you say you think Rocky is a good coach but not a great coach. It just comes off as a backhanded way of putting him down. You and William have spent months on here trying to sow the seeds of discontent with Rocky. William was more subtle than you but do you really think everyone on this board was too stupid to realize what you two were trying to do? What the real purpose of Williams novel sized posts was? Then you guys stopped being subtle and were outright suggesting firing as a best course of action. Now you are in full backpedal mode because a poll here didn't go the way you thought it would. You say no one believes me when I say that I believe that Rocky is a good coach. So it's all black and white with you? No shades of grey? No nuance? The fact is I have NEVER said that Rocky was anything less than a good coach. Not once. Furthermore, when many of you were bitching and moaning about the hiring of Rocky Long to replace Brady Hoke I was one member of a small group that not only defended the hiring, but praised it. I was one of the first leaders of the Rocky Long bandwagon. What I find truly disturbing is the complete and total lack of acceptance of those who do not share the opinion that Rocky is the coach who can take us to the 10 win regular season mark with regularity (every other year or so, with no fewer than 8 regular season wins in between). When I say that I believe that Rocky is a good coach I genuinely mean it. That doesn't mean I think he's the best coach that SDSU can get, but he's definitely better than average. I'm sorry if some of you can't understand or accept that as an honest view, but it is a 100% honest statement when I make it.
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