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Post by Village Aztec on Oct 22, 2014 20:50:15 GMT -8
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Post by missiontrails on Oct 22, 2014 22:06:40 GMT -8
I wonder what the actual number is at Auburn/LSU/Bama, etc. Those schools just haven't been caught yet. At least not by anybody who hasn't been paid hush money.
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Post by beadle on Oct 23, 2014 4:28:24 GMT -8
Your kidding yourself if you don't think that it happens to some extent at every university, even SDSU.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 23, 2014 4:57:13 GMT -8
Hmm, 18 years that could be lack of institutional control.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Oct 23, 2014 6:17:10 GMT -8
Your kidding yourself if you don't think that it happens to some extent at every university, even SDSU. This. Every school has some form of what UNC has been doing. Maybe not to that extent, but nonetheless, they assign student athletes to specific teachers and classes, and there being an understanding between the teacher, student and football administration that this kid will be given some flexibility when it comes to testing, assignment due dates and grading. You won't see this really in core classes like your science and math, but these paper classes are used to boost the gpa when they do poorly in those core classes.
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Post by dlangford9 on Oct 23, 2014 7:11:49 GMT -8
Your kidding yourself if you don't think that it happens to some extent at every university, even SDSU. This. Every school has some form of what UNC has been doing. Maybe not to that extent, but nonetheless, they assign student athletes to specific teachers and classes, and there being an understanding between the teacher, student and football administration that this kid will be given some flexibility when it comes to testing, assignment due dates and grading. You won't see this really in core classes like your science and math, but these paper classes are used to boost the gpa when they do poorly in those core classes. I agree. I can understand if there are teachers who are "flexible", since student athletes are asked to do way more than a typical student (including making the university money, increasing exposure to prospective students and increasing the quality of life for current students). HOWEVER, fictitious classes, which is never attended, are completely unacceptable on any level!
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Post by dlangford9 on Oct 23, 2014 7:36:58 GMT -8
I witnessed many athletes in my classes at SDSU. I saw them daily in class, not screwing around and generally acting like normal students (just bigger, lol). I also understand that I was not taking any questionable classes, so I cannot speak to ALL athletes. I also had Mark Koenig in one of my classes. Cool dude, pretty darn smart.
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Post by OnionHead on Oct 23, 2014 8:18:54 GMT -8
They should forfeit all their games then.
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Post by sdsudevil on Oct 23, 2014 8:25:42 GMT -8
They should forfeit all their games then. It won't give us a win.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 8:34:46 GMT -8
When unreasonable pressure is put on coaches and athletes to succeed at an unreasonable level, then they will think up unreasonable tactics in order to achieve those unreasonable standards.
This whole $#!+ is a societal sports issue. Pointing the finger is stupid, as someone mentioned before, it happens at SDSU too.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 23, 2014 8:53:53 GMT -8
While I have no doubt that SDSU athletes get a certain flexibility with assignment due dates and test dates, and while I'm certain that many athletes are steered towards, "Easy," classes, I don't believe for a second that any of them are enrolled in fake classes.
SDSU does have academic integrity.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 23, 2014 9:54:50 GMT -8
If there is wide-spread cheating and cutting of academic corners, whom should we blame? I suggest the onus should be put on the college presidents and their administrative staff. Too many of them seem to be turning a blind eye to such abuses.
I will say that I see a difference between "easy" courses and non-existent courses or students who seldom if ever attend class. Also, I suspect that there are non-athletes who are cut some slack for a variety of reasons. In any case, it's up to the administration to police their own back yards.
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Post by Boise Aztec on Oct 23, 2014 9:57:53 GMT -8
Your kidding yourself if you don't think that it happens to some extent at every university, even SDSU. This. Every school has some form of what UNC has been doing. Maybe not to that extent, but nonetheless, they assign student athletes to specific teachers and classes, and there being an understanding between the teacher, student and football administration that this kid will be given some flexibility when it comes to testing, assignment due dates and grading. You won't see this really in core classes like your science and math, but these paper classes are used to boost the gpa when they do poorly in those core classes. Be careful, my guess is that you don't know what did or did not happen or what now happens at State or any other program. I tutored athletes at State from 93 to 95 and had many who later went on to the NFL and MLB. Some where in over their heads in some classes and some were not ready for college, but we're there anyway because they could play. Having said that, I never saw athletes cheatkng, signed up for classes that dis not exist or did not have to go to. I am sure they were steered to easier degrees, etc. But from what I saw, experienced it was fairly clean at State.
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Post by junior on Oct 23, 2014 11:41:07 GMT -8
What's sad is that the only coin that the universities really have left is the conferring of degrees. So when those degrees get cheapened by these kinds of allegations, it hurts EVERYONE who attends a university, not just the players who are unwittingly a part of it.
"Big Time" college sports don't operate outside of the system, so when they start to do so - in these situations - it's time for the universities themselves (not some organization like N(FL)CAA) to step in and sanction themselves. It will be interesting to see what happens in these cases.
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Post by Sdsu4life on Oct 23, 2014 13:05:08 GMT -8
This. Every school has some form of what UNC has been doing. Maybe not to that extent, but nonetheless, they assign student athletes to specific teachers and classes, and there being an understanding between the teacher, student and football administration that this kid will be given some flexibility when it comes to testing, assignment due dates and grading. You won't see this really in core classes like your science and math, but these paper classes are used to boost the gpa when they do poorly in those core classes. Be careful, my guess is that you don't know what did or did not happen or what now happens at State or any other program. I tutored athletes at State from 93 to 95 and had many who later went on to the NFL and MLB. Some where in over their heads in some classes and some were not ready for college, but we're there anyway because they could play. Having said that, I never saw athletes cheatkng, signed up for classes that dis not exist or did not have to go to. I am sure they were steered to easier degrees, etc. But from what I saw, experienced it was fairly clean at State. Never said anything about our program cheating. All I said was that for classes, student athletes, mainly football and basketball are assigned to specific teachers for specific classes. Those teachers have an understanding to be a bit more flexible and leniant with the student athlete. Didn't say anything about cheating or fake classes. Oh and guess all you want. Fine by me. You tutored them, so you only saw one side of the whole process. I saw every side. I lived it. And just because the student athletes you tutored didn't need to be assiged to an easier, more leniant teacher, doesn't mean the kid next to him didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 16:39:59 GMT -8
Only 3,000 at UNC? Lol.
Anyone saying here that they know for a fact that SDSU student athletes have been cheating better be very careful.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 23, 2014 17:31:42 GMT -8
Only 3,000 at UNC? Lol. Anyone saying here that they know for a fact that SDSU student athletes have been cheating better be very careful. Yeah, no kidding. It's pretty clear that SDSU doesn't put up with that kind of stuff. Wasn't it Evan Burns who quit SDSU because Fisher told him to go to class or drop out of school? As I said before, SDSU has academic integrity, even with their athletes.
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Post by Village Aztec on Oct 25, 2014 20:36:03 GMT -8
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Post by aztech on Oct 25, 2014 23:11:19 GMT -8
Your kidding yourself if you don't think that it happens to some extent at every university, even SDSU. This. Every school has some form of what UNC has been doing. Maybe not to that extent, but nonetheless, they assign student athletes to specific teachers and classes, and there being an understanding between the teacher, student and football administration that this kid will be given some flexibility when it comes to testing, assignment due dates and grading. You won't see this really in core classes like your science and math, but these paper classes are used to boost the gpa when they do poorly in those core classes. Let's not ever forget tOSU's Maurice Clarett. You know, the RB who helped them become #1 in the nation. After their bowl game it was found out that he had a GPA of 0.00 since he never attended classes. If that happened at a G5 school, the NCAA would have nullified the bowl win and slapped the school with a death penalty. UNC has nothing to worry about.
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Post by aztecmusician on Oct 26, 2014 14:01:05 GMT -8
This has to be the worst kept secret in sports. Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Arizona and UCLA are basketball vocational schools and it has been obvious for quite a while.
SDSU needs to be very careful by the way.
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