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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 8:05:59 GMT -8
No he doesn't. That was the result of, "Family night," where 5,000 FREE tickets were given away. It was that kids thing at halftime - all those people counted towards the attendance figures, and almost all of them left after their kids' halftime performance. They weren't there for the game. lol. Seriously? Yeah, seriously. Were you at the game? Did you see the place empty out after halftime? We did. It's a fact - those people left after their kids performed at halftime. They would not have come to the game if not for their kids performing. AND the kids counted towards attendance, too. I don't think anyone here counts the SkyShow attendance as evidence of community support for Aztec football, and neither should last night's performance be counted that way.
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Post by Luchador El Guerrero Azteca on Oct 19, 2014 8:11:35 GMT -8
You haven't listened to a single poster who disagrees with you historically, why waste the time our effort.
Stephen has shown his commitment and support for the program over the years, cherry picking one out-of-context phrase doesn't summarize one's entire belief in the program.
Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up
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Post by SDAztec on Oct 19, 2014 8:14:09 GMT -8
You haven't listened to a single poster who disagrees with you historically, why waste the time our effort. Stephen has shown his commitment and support for the program over the years, cherry picking one out-of-context phrase doesn't summarize one's entire belief in the program. Sent from my Admiral Mark 01 Telegraph machine via Sputnik with dial-up I wouldn't waste you energy. Just let this thread die.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 8:14:23 GMT -8
We won!!! PantherGuy must be PISSED. No, I would have been pissed if we lost. Hell, my Panthers have been playing great the last two weeks, I'm a happy guy! 66-14 combined score over their last two games. Panther football is BACK, baby! I just wish that Aztec football could get similar results when the Aztecs play bad teams, that's all. This isn't the NFL. In college a 10 point win is a close game, and this was a close game on the field. We didn't put the game away until late in the 4th quarter. I'm sorry if my hopes and dreams for this program aren't being met. I want nothing for this program but to dominate this conference and get an invite to a better one. We aren't dominating this conference, and at this point we've got very little hope for an invite to one of the 12's. That leaves me disappointed. I love Aztec football, and I'm old enough to remember when this program was the Boise State of the 70's. We've underachieved from the 80's to now. Even with 4 straight Bowl appearances this program isn't achieving what it could have if the school administration had made the right decisions rather than a bunch of bad ones since 1980. I'm frustrated that we've had all sorts of potential that hasn't been met. Aren't all of you? Aren't we on the same side? I'm pretty sure we are.
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Post by aztecron on Oct 19, 2014 8:23:21 GMT -8
The bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title. However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference. That we didn't do. That was as unimpressive a win as you can have when winning by 10. This isn't the NFL where a 10 point win is a big deal. As bad as Hawaii is we could have won by 24 easily if we just had the kind of passing attack we had a few years ago to complement our running game. We don't look like a program that deserves to be in one of the 12's (Pac or Big). Right now, if we were in one of those conferences, we'd probably be 2-5. As much as those conferences want to add big TV markets and the addional revenue that those markets bring, they don't want to add a program that will just be a bottom feeder indefinitely. This program has failed to prove that it would not be a bottom feeder. We continue to struggle to beat bad teams, and we don't have any corresponding big wins over good out of conference teams. Our wins over Boise have been tempered by the fact that they've fallen off over the last two or three years. They aren't what they were when they were competing for BCS Bowl bids. Nevada is good, but they dropped off pretty significantly after Kaepernick graduated. What else can we hang our collective hat on? Unfortunately, nothing. 4 winning seasons in a row with some losses that shouldn't have happened and more near misses against P5 teams. Playing like that we won't beat either Boise or Nevada in their stadiums. Two more losses will leave us at 7-5 for the season if we beat everyone else on our schedule, and right now that's not looking like a lock the way this team has played. 6-6 this year would be a disaster. A HUGE step backwards. Hell, 7-5 woud be a fairly big disappointment after all the progress this program had made from 2009 to 2010. We've maintained that level, but failed to improve on it since then. A 7-5 record in a conference as bad as the Mountain West has become is really a step back from where we we've been over the last few years. When are we going to see some legtimitately impressive wins? Or are we going to continue to struggle against bad teams? Man, give it a rest. Hawaii scored ONE fluke TD and got dominated in every other phase. We could've two more TD's but didn't as Rocky just isn't gonna run up a score on someone like Chow. You've got to stop beating that horse, Rocky ain't going nowhere.
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Post by csfoster on Oct 19, 2014 8:24:01 GMT -8
Although the team has the same record at this time as last year, this team is far better than last year's and still has the chance to prove it by ending 9-3.
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 19, 2014 8:24:15 GMT -8
We got the ball with 6:00 minutes to go and a 10 point lead. We turned it back with one minute to go and had forced Hawhii to expend all their timeouts. That is a great 4 minute offense.
If we didn't miss that FG, we probably would have won 27-10. With the FG we would have been leading 20-10 with a 4th and 1. No way we kick a field goal there.We go for it and most likely score a TD. I wonder if that would have been enough?
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Post by aztecron on Oct 19, 2014 8:24:26 GMT -8
We won!!! PantherGuy must be PISSED. No, I would have been pissed if we lost. Hell, my Panthers have been playing great the last two weeks, I'm a happy guy! 66-14 combined score over their last two games. Panther football is BACK, baby! I just wish that Aztec football could get similar results when the Aztecs play bad teams, that's all. This isn't the NFL. In college a 10 point win is a close game, and this was a close game on the field. We didn't put the game away until late in the 4th quarter. I'm sorry if my hopes and dreams for this program aren't being met. I want nothing for this program but to dominate this conference and get an invite to a better one. We aren't dominating this conference, and at this point we've got very little hope for an invite to one of the 12's. That leaves me disappointed. I love Aztec football, and I'm old enough to remember when this program was the Boise State of the 70's. We've underachieved from the 80's to now. Even with 4 straight Bowl appearances this program isn't achieving what it could have if the school administration had made the right decisions rather than a bunch of bad ones since 1980. I'm frustrated that we've had all sorts of potential that hasn't been met. Aren't all of you? Aren't we on the same side? I'm pretty sure we are. This game wasn't even close at all. Hawaii was dominated in every phase.
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Post by hoobs on Oct 19, 2014 8:25:01 GMT -8
Erik, did you notice the crowd? That was one of the metrics you have used to judge Rocky. So he gets a plus for last night. No he doesn't. That was the result of, "Family night," where 5,000 FREE tickets were given away. It was that kids thing at halftime - all those people counted towards the attendance figures, and almost all of them left after their kids' halftime performance. They weren't there for the game. Erik, you seem hell-bend on extracting any/every possible negative angle, why? Almost seems like you hoped the Aztecs would have lost last night just to prove a point...
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 8:28:48 GMT -8
Hawaii scored ONE fluke TD and got dominated in every other phase. They moved the ball downfield very well on that drive. They earned that TD with a well managed drive. That wouldn't have been the last play of the half - they still had more time. They just went for it all there and got the TD because our DB tried to intercept the ball rather than batting it down. They might have scored on the next play. No, we couldn't have scored two more TD's - because our drives stalled and we had to settle for FG attempts (one of which we missed). At this point it isn't about Rocky anymore. It's about Aztec football not coming close to reaching it's potential. It could be Rocky, Brady Hoke, or anyone else - this program continues to underachieve. That is disappointing. Rocky is a good, solid coach. He is likely not going anywhere until he retires. It is what it is.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 8:40:08 GMT -8
No he doesn't. That was the result of, "Family night," where 5,000 FREE tickets were given away. It was that kids thing at halftime - all those people counted towards the attendance figures, and almost all of them left after their kids' halftime performance. They weren't there for the game. Erik, you seem hell-bend on extracting any/every possible negative angle, why? Almost seems like you hoped the Aztecs would have lost last night just to prove a point... Not at all, but giving Rocky Long credit for those 5,000 people who showed up just to see their kids perform at halftime is silly. That would be like crediting him for the SkyShow attendance bump. I'm just being real here. But the Aztecs DID win, and they DID occasionally get their passing game together. They just could have and should have done even better. Offensively the team was very inconsistent. This team still lacks that go for the jugular attitude and/or the confidence that they can dominate other teams. I know this program can be better than this. I BELIEVE in this program. Again, we are all on the same side - or we're supposed to be. Attacking other Aztec fans who are passionate about (and in support of the growth of) the program makes no sense. You can disagree with other Aztec fans, but attacking them for expecting more from this program? Shouldn't we all support each other in our desire to see this program become all it can be? We may disagree on the best way to get there, but we all agree that we want it to get there. Right?
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 8:53:45 GMT -8
Let's keep this thread on topic and leave the personal comments about other board members to PM.
And, honestly, if you are satisfied with last night's win I get it. We won. We're 4-3 and have a winning record now. That's a good thing.
I would hope that others on the board would be as accepting of fans who want more for the team as quickly as possible.
WE ARE ALL AZTEC FANS. PLEASE BE SUPPORTIVE OF EACH OTHER AS WE ALL WANT THE BEST FOR ALL AZTEC ATHLETIC PROGRAMS.
Accepting that other fans may have a different perspective, and may have different philosophies on how to best improve the program should be a given. We can disagree on methodology, but we should all support each other as AZTEC FANS.
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Post by montyismyhomie on Oct 19, 2014 9:28:11 GMT -8
This is sad. Another win, another "Fire Rocky" thread disguised as a "having high aspirations thread.
STAHP!!!!
This team is one QB away from being dominant and producing a 10 win season and guess what? That guy is sitting out as a transfer this year.
BTW what game were you people watching last night anyway? The defense basically allowed 3 points last night that should have come from the missed field goal on UH only real drive of the night. Otherwise the Hail Mary was stupid luck and the other field goal that was made was only because of a rare special teams flub. The D played a 3 point game.
Yet on the game thread last night I see a couple sour fans leading a witch hunt into how awful our defense is and how bad the coaching is. It's like every week these posters demonstrate more and more how little football knowledge they have. They are super fans who have taken the success of the team and attached it to their emotional health which is not a good thing. They are now prone to violent overreactions and hyperbole.
This thread has been edited to remove references to specific posters. It is on topic and relates directly to the thread. It does not violate board rules and should not be deleted.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 9:32:05 GMT -8
Rocky isn't going anywhere, nor is anyone calling for him to go anywhere.
Does anyone really disagree that winning BIG against bad teams is needed to get to our ultimate goal (a better conference)?
I'm curious as to whether there is a belief that we can get to a P5 conference when the perception nationally is that we struggle to beat bad teams, and if so what that belief is based on.
We ALL agree that we want the Aztecs to win every game they can, and by as many points as they can. We're all Aztec fans and support this program.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 9:32:48 GMT -8
the pipe dream is the higher conference. I have always said we should be the dominant team in this conference.AS for Tollner how many letters did the uT publish of mine back in the day saying he was not the guys.Eight or ten at least.No matter who we beat you will still complain because you have an agenda to get a new Coach. I do blame Rocky for the QB situation and will not be happy if we do not secure another QB to compete and backup JR. Bawden I like but he needs a redshirt.
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Post by spaztec33 on Oct 19, 2014 9:34:34 GMT -8
This kind of discussion immediately after a win, which included a thoroughly dominating defensive performance by a young D, and a beat-down and physical running game by a young o-line and RBs, is becoming extremely off-putting.
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Post by junior on Oct 19, 2014 9:34:45 GMT -8
I was there - as I am for every home game. And I watched a team that once again showcased a very good runner, a mediocre quarterback and receivers who dropped more balls than they caught. I also saw a defense that couldn't make the first tackle, gave up some ridiculous third down conversions because of the inability of the first person to even make a stop, and a lucky break on a 102 yd runback. By the end of the game, the Hawaii defense was gassed.
Hawaii was NOT the reason there was a 35+K crowd last night. A "RENEWED" SDSU football team wasn't the reason either.
You gotta be a little critical of games where the opponent is so weak that a game still looks competitive. We'll see what happens the next time a little stiffer competition shows up on the other side of the ball.
We're past the halfway mark in the season. We shouldn't still be talking about missed assignments and arm-tackling.
But they won, and I'm glad for that. There are still many troubling areas that remain however. Given a tougher opponent, the way they played last night would've lost them a game.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Oct 19, 2014 9:47:14 GMT -8
the pipe dream is the higher conference. You may be right. If so, this program may be a dead program walking, because this crappy conference will never provide the kind of excitement needed to get over 35k+ butts in seats for each of our home games. Opponents like San Jose State, Hawaii, UNLV, New Mexico, etc, do not excite San Diego football fans. That's a serious problem. This conference was a lot better 5 or 10 years ago. Now? It's a joke. It's terrible - worse than the WAC was when we were there. Look, as I've said from the very beginning of this thread, it is a damned good thing that we won. A loss would have been devastating for our season. But I honestly believe that in the FIFTH year of the turnaround that this team should beat the snot out of lesser opponents like Hawaii and New Mexico. That's what big time programs do - they beat up on lesser teams. That's what I'm hoping to see when we start each and every season. So while it is possible to enjoy the win, it is also VERY possible to be disappointed in how we won. A lot of people are stating that Hawaii got lucky on that hail mary near the end of the first half. What a lot of people are forgetting was that they were moving the ball at will on that drive, and they had more time even if that pass were deflected. They earned that TD because of how well they ran that drive and how efficient they were in their clock management. The fact that the Aztecs seemed to have no answer for them on that drive is one of the things that disappointed me. But, again, differences of opinion on how good that win was or wasn't, and where this program is or isn't headed, WE ARE ALL AZTEC FANS. We all want the same thing in the end. There is nothing to be gained by attacking each other.
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Post by standiego on Oct 19, 2014 10:09:36 GMT -8
As you said a win is a win , that still keeps us in hunt for two important things a MW championship and a bowl bid . Both helpful in recruiting and having the extra practices for the bowl game . It also makes the couple few games something that could still draw fans - lose and no chance of fans attending the last two games .
Some things that are very evident we are a G5 team playing in a G5 conference . Not sure what G5 teams have beaten a P5 team in the upper half on their conference , maybe CSU caught BC as trap game after USC ? The gap is only going to widen as the new rules get put into place . Even though we have a very good runner we are not able to really dominate teams . Some messed up plays: Hail Mary Pass , TO's , poor decision making, penalties turn decent game into close ones or losses . Plus not having a dominating QB .the most important player on the field . As the article in the UT showed you can not keep missing on the recruiting and development of your QB's , plus the guys that can make him a success on and off the field . Getting out recruited by other MW teams at QB will only hurt us if we want to have an exciting dominating team in the MW . Need to understand the importance of the QB , having an offense that is noted for it . The rules continue to favor a passing team , be prepared by getting the players that can make it happen and defend it . Good WR's follow good QB's . OL that play for passing teams get noticed also .
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Post by aztecsathome on Oct 19, 2014 11:21:48 GMT -8
The bottom line is the W. There is no question about that, and we won last night. That is far better than the alternative, and it keeps us in the driver's seat for the Conference Title. However, having said that, if you want to prove that you are better than the conference you are in, and you want to make a case for inclusion in a bigger, better conference, you have to do something to separate yourself from the other programs in your conference. That we didn't do. That was as unimpressive a win as you can have when winning by 10. This isn't the NFL where a 10 point win is a big deal. As bad as Hawaii is we could have won by 24 easily if we just had the kind of passing attack we had a few years ago to complement our running game. We don't look like a program that deserves to be in one of the 12's (Pac or Big). Right now, if we were in one of those conferences, we'd probably be 2-5. As much as those conferences want to add big TV markets and the addional revenue that those markets bring, they don't want to add a program that will just be a bottom feeder indefinitely. This program has failed to prove that it would not be a bottom feeder. We continue to struggle to beat bad teams, and we don't have any corresponding big wins over good out of conference teams. Our wins over Boise have been tempered by the fact that they've fallen off over the last two or three years. They aren't what they were when they were competing for BCS Bowl bids. Nevada is good, but they dropped off pretty significantly after Kaepernick graduated. What else can we hang our collective hat on? Unfortunately, nothing. 4 winning seasons in a row with some losses that shouldn't have happened and more near misses against P5 teams. Playing like that we won't beat either Boise or Nevada in their stadiums. Two more losses will leave us at 7-5 for the season if we beat everyone else on our schedule, and right now that's not looking like a lock the way this team has played. 6-6 this year would be a disaster. A HUGE step backwards. Hell, 7-5 woud be a fairly big disappointment after all the progress this program had made from 2009 to 2010. We've maintained that level, but failed to improve on it since then. A 7-5 record in a conference as bad as the Mountain West has become is really a step back from where we we've been over the last few years. When are we going to see some legtimitately impressive wins? Or are we going to continue to struggle against bad teams? --- They didn't look great from the stands, but like you said, W is a W. I'm not sure where this season is going to end up, but I wasn't pleased with our performance last night - only on the internet will you find people like us pissed at the win - because we see the future problems. Hard to handle.
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