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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 12:00:37 GMT -8
It's detritus, you bloviating loads of codswallop. Well, detritus does not offend ProBoard's spell checker, so I went with that spelling. I think it was spelled that way by the poster who first used the word in this thread. Just shows that you can't trust anything these days. AzWm Guess I misspelled it. So shoot me. BTW, to answer another psoter's question, as an undergraduate I was a history major.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:49:00 GMT -8
If healthy, QK is the starting QB. However, a limping QK should be replaced. He is physically limited as it is, he can't play competently on a bum knee. I was surprised they left him in the game. I agree that he should have come out at least for a series. Last year he replaced Dingwell because of accuracy and touch. It was known then he doesn't have the arm. That's why he is a walk on. His game manager skills depend on his accuracy. He did not make the plays he needed to make. Part that is on the O-line and RB's not giving him time and poor blitz pick-up. The rest was QK.
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Post by zurac315 on Sept 21, 2014 15:07:38 GMT -8
Considering how miserable the Molehill West is, no way do we change QBs at this point. As was the case last year, Kaehler is plenty competent to defeat the remaining detritis on our schedule. So, are you predicting that we will win all of our conference games since all the other teams qualify as "detritus?"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 15:26:46 GMT -8
Considering how miserable the Molehill West is, no way do we change QBs at this point. As was the case last year, Kaehler is plenty competent to defeat the remaining detritis on our schedule. So, are you predicting that we will win all of our conference games since all the other teams qualify as "detritus?" That was somewhat hyperbole. Of course, we won't win out. At this point, my guess is we will finish 8-4. If one of those seven additional wins is at Reno, we will then likely play in the MWC title game. In Boise. Possibly in terrible weather, though we played fine there in the Famous Amos Blue Carpet Potato Bowl.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 17:30:55 GMT -8
No one the MW gets five star players. This mystical Coach who will come here for half the pay of a top school where is he William. Hiding behind the tooth fairy no doubt. Last year it was Dino who lost Western Kentucky already.WE are one good QB away and we have two candidates next year. Top QBs want to play in the spread,but the spread rips your denfense to pieces against the run. So you have to outscore everyone. Hey, I never said that finding a savior for FB was going to be easy. Or even possible. I am saying that without some dramatic change . . . a change for the better . . . this program is not going to find itself playing in the Big-12. Just not going to happen. I do think that Terry Bowden might have gotten it done here. Doubt there was or is anybody else who would have had a better chance to get the job done. Oh, yes; we are more than just a 4-star QB short of being able to compete on a regular basis with schools such as those in the Big-12. We just got stomped by a team that is probably no better than fifth in the Pac-12 this year. Does that not tell you something? AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 17:34:18 GMT -8
So, are you predicting that we will win all of our conference games since all the other teams qualify as "detritus?" That was somewhat hyperbole. Of course, we won't win out. At this point, my guess is we will finish 8-4. If one of those seven additional wins is at Reno, we will then likely play in the MWC title game. In Boise. Possibly in terrible weather, though we played fine there in the Famous Amos Blue Carpet Potato Bowl. And in 2007 or 2008 we would have been tempted to cut off a pinky if that meant an 8-4 Aztec season. But this is 2014, and 8 wins, though not shameful, is not nearly enough to advance our case for membership in the Big-12. Oh, well. Maybe in 2015. AzWm
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Post by badfish on Sept 21, 2014 17:54:44 GMT -8
I'm not trying to bash Kaehler to death here, but I just want to point out where we stand right now:
58% completion percentage 2 TD's to 6 INTs. He has more redzone INTs than he does TDs. Total QBR is #112 in the country...there are 126 total QBs on the list.
So, UNLV has the #98 pass defense in the country and the following game is Fresno who ranks dead last at #124 (side note, Nevada is #113 and Boise is #118, but Boise has 8 INTs already this season)
Why NOT give Bawden a shot? He can take advantage of 2 very poor secondaries in his first 2 games. UNLV/Fresno combined have allowed 25 passing TDs and recored a combined 4 INTs so far.
During the "Big Games" (Boise '13, Fresno '13, Oregon St. '13, UNC '14 and OSU '14), Kaehler's stats are: 264 yards/game 58% completion percentage, with 5 TDs and 9 INTs
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Post by TruAztec on Sept 21, 2014 18:03:04 GMT -8
One reason to not start Bawden is you hate to put someone in before they are ready and ruin them for the future. I of course have no inside info on any of this but my guess is they fear he is not ready and then you would be forced to put in QK again and that will not be pretty. One weird angle is to say QK is hurt (and that was clear from sideline footage on Saturday) and put Bawden in because QK is hurt.
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Post by fisherville on Sept 21, 2014 18:04:31 GMT -8
SDSU could be recruiting at a higher level, after all Boise's new staff is landing 4 star recruits with mid tier bcs offers.
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Post by FULL_MONTY on Sept 21, 2014 18:19:46 GMT -8
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Post by aztech on Sept 21, 2014 18:24:34 GMT -8
I'm not trying to bash Kaehler to death here, but I just want to point out where we stand right now: 58% completion percentage 2 TD's to 6 INTs. He has more redzone INTs than he does TDs. Total QBR is #112 in the country...there are 126 total QBs on the list. So, UNLV has the #98 pass defense in the country and the following game is Fresno who ranks dead last at #124 (side note, Nevada is #113 and Boise is #118, but Boise has 8 INTs already this season) Why NOT give Bawden a shot? He can take advantage of 2 very poor secondaries in his first 2 games. UNLV/Fresno combined have allowed 25 passing TDs and recored a combined 4 INTs so far. During the "Big Games" (Boise '13, Fresno '13, Oregon St. '13, UNC '14 and OSU '14), Kaehler's stats are: 264 yards/game 58% completion percentage, with 5 TDs and 9 INTs
Last year we won close matches in overtime against the dregs. Which means despite QK's shortcomings we were able to win them on sheer talent. Now that he's a known commodity in this 2nd year those close wins may end up being close losses. We can't afford to take that risk because of poor attendance. We can point out to next year and say that's going to be our breakout year, but fans need to see hopefulness this year, not the boring poor game management we've seen from QK thus far. Our home schedule thid year is bad enough.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 20:19:21 GMT -8
I think it's Kaehler unless he seriously cannot perform due to injury. If we go with a backup, the team might not crack .500.
Let's for a moment assume that QK is healthy and continues to be the starter. I think it's up to the coaching staff to tweak the offense just enough to offer some different looks and to minimize the pressure on Quinn. One really good idea in reference to the former would be something new to get the running game going again. What really hurt us Saturday night, perhaps even more than our QB's slipups was the fact that after the first drive we could not do much on the ground.
In any case, a really good staff will scratch their heads and put something a bit different on the field.
AzWm
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 20:35:02 GMT -8
In case you haven't seen them, here are the final stats for the Oregon State game. (Sorry about the formatting. It's a bit hard to read, but just keep in mind that our totals are always to the left and Oregon State's are to the right. Example: in Rushing first downs, we had 5 and they had 8, and so on.)
Team Statistics (Final) 2014 Aztec Football San Diego State vs Oregon State (Sep 20, 2014 at Corvallis, Ore.)
Team Totals SDSU OSU FIRST DOWNS 11 25 Rushing 5 8 Passing 6 12 Penalty 0 5 NET YARDS RUSHING 109 97 Rushing Attempts 23 36 Average Per Rush 4.7 2.7 Rushing Touchdowns 1 4 Yards Gained Rushing 129 124 Yards Lost Rushing 20 27 NET YARDS PASSING 106 275 Completions-Attempts-Int 14-26-2 24-31-1 Average Per Attempt 4.1 8.9 Average Per Completion 7.6 11.5 Passing Touchdowns 0 0 TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 215 372 Total offense plays 49 67 Average Gain Per Play 4.4 5.6 Fumbles: Number-Lost 0-0 3-1 Penalties: Number-Yards 9-65 7-52 PUNTS-YARDS 6-199 3-140 Average Yards Per Punt 33.2 46.7 Net Yards Per Punt 33.3 39.3 Inside 20 2 1 50+ Yards 0 1 Touchbacks 0 0 Fair catch 1 0 KICKOFFS-YARDS 2-130 5-294 Average Yards Per Kickoff 65.0 58.8 Net Yards Per Kickoff 40.0 43.0 Touchbacks 2 1 Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 2-22-0 2--1-0 Average Per Return 11.0 -0.5 Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 3-54-0 0-0-0 Average Per Return 18.0 0.0 Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-0-0 2-3-0 Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 0-0-0 Miscellaneous Yards 0 0 Possession Time 24:33 35:27 1st Quarter 6:06 8:54 2nd Quarter 8:36 6:24 3rd Quarter 4:14 10:46 4th Quarter 5:37 9:23 Third-Down Conversions 4 of 11 6 of 10 Fourth-Down Conversions 0 of 1 0 of 1 Red-Zone Scores-Chances 1-1 4-4 Touchdowns 1-1 4-4 Field goals 0-1 0-4 Sacks By: Number-Yards 3-27 3-20 PAT Kicks 1-1 4-4
There are a lot of interesting facts in those statistics, most of which favor Oregon St. I suspect that our total net yards, 215, is one of the lowest in the category in some time. Keep in mind that our first drive was about 70 yards. That means that SDSU could only gain 145 yards the rest of the way. Very disappointing. Also notice that we gave them 5 first downs on penalties; they gave us none. But the real difference in the game was the passing of OSU.
All in all, a very, very disappointing game, especially after a two week preparation period. Also considering how well the Aztecs played at North Carolina. Is Oregon State that much better than the Tar Heels?
AzWm
PS: After two straight games in which his play was a crucial factor in our losses, what damage to QK's morale has been done? Not much, I hope. He needs to be as sharp as possible or the season will unravel.
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Post by myownwords on Sept 21, 2014 20:50:27 GMT -8
In case you haven't seen them, here are the final stats for the Oregon State game. (Sorry about the formatting. It's a bit hard to read, but just keep in mind that our totals are always to the left and Oregon State's are to the right. Example: in Rushing first downs, we had 5 and they had 8, and so on.)
Team Statistics (Final) 2014 Aztec Football San Diego State vs Oregon State (Sep 20, 2014 at Corvallis, Ore.)
Team Totals SDSU OSU FIRST DOWNS 11 25 Rushing 5 8 Passing 6 12 Penalty 0 5 NET YARDS RUSHING 109 97 Rushing Attempts 23 36 Average Per Rush 4.7 2.7 Rushing Touchdowns 1 4 Yards Gained Rushing 129 124 Yards Lost Rushing 20 27 NET YARDS PASSING 106 275 Completions-Attempts-Int 14-26-2 24-31-1 Average Per Attempt 4.1 8.9 Average Per Completion 7.6 11.5 Passing Touchdowns 0 0 TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 215 372 Total offense plays 49 67 Average Gain Per Play 4.4 5.6 Fumbles: Number-Lost 0-0 3-1 Penalties: Number-Yards 9-65 7-52 PUNTS-YARDS 6-199 3-140 Average Yards Per Punt 33.2 46.7 Net Yards Per Punt 33.3 39.3 Inside 20 2 1 50+ Yards 0 1 Touchbacks 0 0 Fair catch 1 0 KICKOFFS-YARDS 2-130 5-294 Average Yards Per Kickoff 65.0 58.8 Net Yards Per Kickoff 40.0 43.0 Touchbacks 2 1 Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 2-22-0 2--1-0 Average Per Return 11.0 -0.5 Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 3-54-0 0-0-0 Average Per Return 18.0 0.0 Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 1-0-0 2-3-0 Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 0-0-0 Miscellaneous Yards 0 0 Possession Time 24:33 35:27 1st Quarter 6:06 8:54 2nd Quarter 8:36 6:24 3rd Quarter 4:14 10:46 4th Quarter 5:37 9:23 Third-Down Conversions 4 of 11 6 of 10 Fourth-Down Conversions 0 of 1 0 of 1 Red-Zone Scores-Chances 1-1 4-4 Touchdowns 1-1 4-4 Field goals 0-1 0-4 Sacks By: Number-Yards 3-27 3-20 PAT Kicks 1-1 4-4
There are a lot of interesting facts in those statistics, most of which favor Oregon St. I suspect that our total net yards, 215, is one of the lowest in the category in some time. Keep in mind that our first drive was about 70 yards. That means that SDSU could only gain 145 yards the rest of the way. Very disappointing. Also notice that we gave them 5 first downs on penalties; they gave us none. But the real difference in the game was the passing of OSU.
All in all, a very, very disappointing game, especially after a two week preparation period. Also considering how well the Aztecs played at North Carolina. Is Oregon State that much better than the Tar Heels?
AzWm
PS: After two straight games in which his play was a crucial factor in our losses, what damage to QK's morale has been done? Not much, I hope. He needs to be as sharp as possible or the season will unravel. Particularly disturbing is that both Hawaii and Portland State played better and stronger against OSU, than we did. There was nothing in that game about which we could be proud.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 21, 2014 21:32:24 GMT -8
We did worse than Hawaii and Portland State against the Beavers? Damn! That is discouraging. I suppose we could say that OSU suddenly found their footing and raised their game another notch. Or maybe not! AzWm
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Post by gamer2101 on Sept 21, 2014 21:40:27 GMT -8
I think QK was affected more than he let on by his NC game performance.
I think you NEVER want your starter to play while worried about job security, ESPECIALLY a QB, once you bench a guy like that, they're never the same.
I think the grass may not be greener on the freshman QB side.
I think we underestimated the beavers because we played them well last year.
I think our team is better than it is playing.
I think being "able to play with anybody" isn't good enough. You have to win to earn respect. Just playing tough or being physical alone wont get it done.
I think Our O line lost that game for us
...and that's all I have to say about that.
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Post by aztech on Sept 21, 2014 22:13:13 GMT -8
I think it's Kaehler unless he seriously cannot perform due to injury. If we go with a backup, the team might not crack .500.
Let's for a moment assume that QK is healthy and continues to be the starter. I think it's up to the coaching staff to tweak the offense just enough to offer some different looks and to minimize the pressure on Quinn. One really good idea in reference to the former would be something new to get the running game going again. What really hurt us Saturday night, perhaps even more than our QB's slipups was the fact that after the first drive we could not do much on the ground. In any case, a really good staff will scratch their heads and put something a bit different on the field. AzWm He may also be the solution to keeping the offense on the field a lot longer as well. His arm will stretch the defense, that's for sure. With QK, the defenses will stack the line for runs while daring him to throw. His passing effectiveness is no more than 10 yards laterally, diagonally or vertically. Unfortunately that's also the area where there are a lot of defenders. How do you offer different looks from that distance?
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Post by hoobs on Sept 22, 2014 4:15:55 GMT -8
Thanks for the reminder to look into the stats, AztecWilliam.
Average of 4.1 yards per pass attempt is NOT going to get it done.
I think there's something to the notion that QK's arm strength is really hurting from his off-season surgery. Either that can come back VERY quickly, or Bawden should start the next game (& likely the rest of the season). Period.
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Post by sdsustoner on Sept 22, 2014 5:46:47 GMT -8
You can tell by Toledo's play calling that he doesn't trust QK and you can tell by QK's play that he isn't confident. I say put in Bawdin at this point Seriously. His play is a huge reason why we lost those games.
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Post by ignoranus on Sept 22, 2014 8:20:57 GMT -8
One more peeve from Saturdays game: Quitting at the end of the first half in order to kick off to OSU in to start the second half. Why not heave the ball far down field a few times in an effort to get some points and change the momentum? If QK can't throw it that far, put in Bawden (or some other arm)and let him toss it. The other team will at least be confused at the sight of a different QB. The coaches quit/gave up at the end of the first half and that was it for the night. Wrong message to team and fans, I think.
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