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Post by aztecwin on Nov 30, 2009 21:02:19 GMT -8
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Post by uwaztec on Dec 1, 2009 8:10:43 GMT -8
Unfortunately Climate change has become the "line in the sand" for segments of the environmental movement and the "impact deniers". This has taken away from critical environmental issues such as: deforestation, water quality, siltation, Third World strip mining etc. I think that the climate is being influenced by natural cycle and to a certain degree human industrialization. To what degree we are having an impact and what we can do about it is certainly debatable. Boortz, to me, is a classic impact denier...citing communism and fringe groups like Greenpeace as the main force behind the environmental movement. I am sure he would have been against the Clean water and Air bills of the early 70's. Both have had a positive effect on the environment in the US. There are virtually no exposed areas left on Earth that are not (to some level) being affected by us. If you saw 60 minutes a couple nights ago, they had a special on Bob Ballard. he's the guy who found the Titanic. Anyway, they were surveying in the Mediterranean and found a Byzantine wreck during the episode. As the camera panned the Amphora's laying in the 700-foot depths, do you think Boortz would have noticed the modern plastic strewn among the ancient jars?
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Post by aztecwin on Dec 1, 2009 12:14:03 GMT -8
Unfortunately Climate change has become the "line in the sand" for segments of the environmental movement and the "impact deniers". This has taken away from critical environmental issues such as: deforestation, water quality, siltation, Third World strip mining etc. I think that the climate is being influenced by natural cycle and to a certain degree human industrialization. To what degree we are having an impact and what we can do about it is certainly debatable. Boortz, to me, is a classic impact denier...citing communism and fringe groups like Greenpeace as the main force behind the environmental movement. I am sure he would have been against the Clean water and Air bills of the early 70's. Both have had a positive effect on the environment in the US. There are virtually no exposed areas left on Earth that are not (to some level) being affected by us. If you saw 60 minutes a couple nights ago, they had a special on Bob Ballard. he's the guy who found the Titanic. Anyway, they were surveying in the Mediterranean and found a Byzantine wreck during the episode. As the camera panned the Amphora's laying in the 700-foot depths, do you think Boortz would have noticed the modern plastic strewn among the ancient jars? If I read you correctly, we mostly agree. What effect, if any, that we have on climate is a minor point of contention. People who are supporting Cap and Trade and the ones championing false ideas like Algore are doing harm to the folks who want to do something really positive about water and fisheries. Some of us are forced to line up against some organizations that really partly align with what we do believe in by the outlandish positions taken by the real Enviro Nut Cases like Algore. Now, I think a pretty good case can be made that some of those folks are doing what they do for personal gain. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Dec 2, 2009 10:00:54 GMT -8
The critical line from the Boortz article is this one . . .
. . .when someone tells you that the science "is settled" and that there is "nothing left to debate;" you know that the science is anything but settled and there is plenty to debate.
When scientists get to the point that their ideological views trump their professional integrity we are in serious trouble.
If the data continue to undermine the extreme climate change narrative we are going to see some pretty scared, and hostile, folks in the scientific and political fields. They will be like cornered rats fighting for their lives . . will, at least for their reputations. With so much staked on the global warming scenario, they are not likely to say, "Well, gosh, we were wrong" . . . and then move on the next issue.
AzWm
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