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Post by aztec70 on May 22, 2014 9:40:51 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on May 22, 2014 11:01:22 GMT -8
As usual, Reich tries to make his point leaving a lot of really relevant information out. That was a wasted couple minutes, but I did read it and made up my mind about how irrational this guy is.  |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on May 22, 2014 19:01:47 GMT -8
America was great when there was a thriving middle class. Too bad that cons like Win believe that the time of the 'robber baron' was better for this country than the time of the 'greatest generation'.  |
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Post by aztecwin on May 23, 2014 12:45:48 GMT -8
America was great when there was a thriving middle class. Too bad that cons like Win believe that the time of the 'robber baron' was better for this country than the time of the 'greatest generation'. It is even worse that liberals can not understand the simple concept of cause and effect. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on May 29, 2014 8:48:44 GMT -8
America was great when there was a thriving middle class. Too bad that cons like Win believe that the time of the 'robber baron' was better for this country than the time of the 'greatest generation'. One needs to take a broader view of America's economic history. There were no "robber baron's" in 1750 or 1800 or even, mostly, in 1850. The idea of the "robber baron" comes from people whose economic preference would be socialist control of the principle means of production and distribution. We have seen how well the average citizen fares in that type of society. What happens is that the political elite in a one party state do pretty well, while the average guy gets the scraps. Case in point, and probably the most extreme example, is today's North Korea. Ask yourself this question; were people better off in 1800 than in 1900? It's a complex question, but I think one must ultimately reach the conclusion that our rapidly expanding economy, fueled by innovating technological advances, made 1900 a better place for most people. Even the poor. Most people who decry our "unequal" society, have no real formula for making the economic pie bigger. Instead, they concentrate of punishing the very rich. Sorry, but I just don't see how tapping the accumulated wealth of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, the Koch brothers, the Walton millionaires, etc., helps the average person. It certainly helps America's contemporary equivalent of the Soviet nomenklatura; i.e., the bureaucracy whose members on average earn more than private workers and whose mediocre or even downright bad performance almost never threatens their job security. And, lest we forget, the "robber barons," whose personal ethics were in many cases short of ideal, nevertheless did not become wealthy because they sent teams of thugs across the land with orders to rob banks or hold up private citizens. No, they became rich by actually creating companies that offered goods or services that the public wanted. Todays' politicians (mostly Democrats) desire to save us from "inequality" by controlling the economy by means of ever increasing rules and regulations. Hey, they aren't dumb. Much better to maintain the fiction that the economy is in private hands while essentially running it through federal laws and rules. That way, if the economy collapses, the pols can just point a finger at today's "robber barons," labeling them heartless men who want to suck the average citizen until he is dry. AzWm |
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Post by azson on May 29, 2014 10:22:27 GMT -8
America was great when there was a thriving middle class. Too bad that cons like Win believe that the time of the 'robber baron' was better for this country than the time of the 'greatest generation'. It is even worse that liberals can not understand the simple concept of cause and effect. I think I get the concept. It's kinda like every time I read one of Win's posts, the after-effect is that I do a face-palm. |
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Post by aztecwin on May 29, 2014 10:25:22 GMT -8
It is even worse that liberals can not understand the simple concept of cause and effect. I think I get the concept. It's kinda like every time I read one of Win's posts, the after-effect is that I do a face-palm. Read William's post. No one gets ahead when you take increasing size slices from a shrinking pie. And yes I do understand how frustrated you can get when you can't understand and therefore don't agree with reducing regulation and government. It probably means you are a taker. |
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Post by azteccc on Jun 16, 2014 13:14:26 GMT -8
Todays' politicians (mostly Democrats) desire to save us from "inequality" by controlling the economy by means of ever increasing rules and regulations. Do you believe the stuff you come up with? It seems like you think you have a great grasp on what "the left" seeks to do - while in reality your opinions have become the Ayn Randian, fetishized version of Mitt Romney's RNC talking points. You know very little about the left, that much is obvious. What about the right? Your posts, more and more, lack real substance about what you - from the right - would like to see done. Sure, we all know the answers you would posit, but your failure to synthesize them, instead reverting to incorrect platitudes about "the left", shows how little footing you have in regard to personal opinion and ideas. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 16, 2014 15:50:08 GMT -8
Todays' politicians (mostly Democrats) desire to save us from "inequality" by controlling the economy by means of ever increasing rules and regulations. Do you believe the stuff you come up with? It seems like you think you have a great grasp on what "the left" seeks to do - while in reality your opinions have become the Ayn Randian, fetishized version of Mitt Romney's RNC talking points. You know very little about the left, that much is obvious. What about the right? Your posts, more and more, lack real substance about what you - from the right - would like to see done. Sure, we all know the answers you would posit, but your failure to synthesize them, instead reverting to incorrect platitudes about "the left", shows how little footing you have in regard to personal opinion and ideas. Huh? Trying to rationalize being a taker? |
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Post by tuff on Jun 16, 2014 18:39:09 GMT -8
Sure as hell a lot easier being a taker in today's society than striving to be a maker. No work ethic, entitlement mentality and a victim profile. It'a all about choice.
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Post by azteccc on Jun 16, 2014 19:26:57 GMT -8
Buy a dictionary and work on reading comprehension. Don't come back to class until your assignment is done. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Jun 17, 2014 8:21:02 GMT -8
Do you believe the stuff you come up with? It seems like you think you have a great grasp on what "the left" seeks to do - while in reality your opinions have become the Ayn Randian, fetishized version of Mitt Romney's RNC talking points. You know very little about the left, that much is obvious. What about the right? Your posts, more and more, lack real substance about what you - from the right - would like to see done. Sure, we all know the answers you would posit, but your failure to synthesize them, instead reverting to incorrect platitudes about "the left", shows how little footing you have in regard to personal opinion and ideas. Huh? Trying to rationalize being a taker? It seems that you are the biggest 'taker' here on the board. How many years did you work in private industry? How many government pensions are you receiving? |
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Post by AztecBill on Jun 19, 2014 10:41:35 GMT -8
Whenever government tries to implement "fairness" into an economy, the ones that suffer are the poor and middle class. Happens everytime. Right now the percentage of people working in the US is pitiful. They can play games with the unemployment numbers but the true measure is the percentage of folks working. It is way down and the the middle class suffers. The best job makers are citizens with money and freedom. We have been taking a lot of both leading to loss of jobs and reduction in quality of jobs.
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 19, 2014 17:38:13 GMT -8
Whenever government tries to implement "fairness" into an economy, the ones that suffer are the poor and middle class. Happens everytime. Right now the percentage of people working in the US is pitiful. They can play games with the unemployment numbers but the true measure is the percentage of folks working. It is way down and the the middle class suffers. The best job makers are citizens with money and freedom. We have been taking a lot of both leading to loss of jobs and reduction in quality of jobs. I am unsure if you are on drugs, or out to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2014 14:16:27 GMT -8
Whenever government tries to implement "fairness" into an economy, the ones that suffer are the poor and middle class. Happens everytime. Right now the percentage of people working in the US is pitiful. They can play games with the unemployment numbers but the true measure is the percentage of folks working. It is way down and the the middle class suffers. The best job makers are citizens with money and freedom. We have been taking a lot of both leading to loss of jobs and reduction in quality of jobs. I am unsure if you are on drugs, or out to be. Now this is a well thought out rebuttal. |
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Post by aztecwin on Jun 24, 2014 15:46:25 GMT -8
Whenever government tries to implement "fairness" into an economy, the ones that suffer are the poor and middle class. Happens everytime. Right now the percentage of people working in the US is pitiful. They can play games with the unemployment numbers but the true measure is the percentage of folks working. It is way down and the the middle class suffers. The best job makers are citizens with money and freedom. We have been taking a lot of both leading to loss of jobs and reduction in quality of jobs. I am unsure if you are on drugs, or out to be. I should not laugh at or criticize the obvious but you "ought" to think that through a little better. |
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Post by aztec70 on Jun 24, 2014 16:32:58 GMT -8
I am unsure if you are on drugs, or out to be. I should not laugh at or criticize the obvious but you "ought" to think that through a little better. LOL. Thank you for the spelling correction. |
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