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Post by junior on Oct 3, 2010 14:55:07 GMT -8
That 10 game losing streak killed them. They weren't going to win the last 3 + 1 anyway. I've been a Padres fan for many, many years. Kind of tough to come this close and then bite it at the end.
Oh well, 'look at the positives'. We won't have to watch them choke in the playoffs.
Now lets get after BYU this weekend.
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Post by PowayAztec on Oct 3, 2010 15:15:04 GMT -8
Huge choke job. Announcers now making excuses for them.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 3, 2010 15:21:38 GMT -8
When will they wake up & realize A-gone needs more protection than Hairston or Slug-wig!  Come on open up that wallet! |
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Post by cvtower on Oct 3, 2010 15:23:26 GMT -8
Does anyone think Miguel Tejada will be retained for next year?
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Post by junior on Oct 3, 2010 15:28:28 GMT -8
He needs the Padres more than the Padres need him.
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Post by AztecTom on Oct 3, 2010 17:17:38 GMT -8
Son of a bitch!!!
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on Oct 3, 2010 17:32:14 GMT -8
Ted Leithner may be the worst announcer I have ever heard.
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Post by retiredaztec on Oct 3, 2010 17:37:55 GMT -8
That 10 game losing streak killed them. They weren't going to win the last 3 + 1 anyway. I've been a Padres fan for many, many years. Kind of tough to come this close and then bite it at the end. Oh well, 'look at the positives'. We won't have to watch them choke in the playoffs. IMHO, this team was pretty much doing it with mirrors until it finally caught up with them. Toward the end, I felt if this team won 90 games, I'd be a happy camper. I'm a happy camper. I have NO CLUE what to expect for next year, but once again, I get through the cold and the snow up here in SLC and I'll be chomping at the bit for Peoria in March. For me, the best part of the season. |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 3, 2010 21:45:05 GMT -8
I am looking forward to collect my $300+ in Las Vegas next March. I bet the Padres over on wins. Remember this is a team whose under/over was 72.5. The Padres have done much much better than expected. They did it with great pitching. Their hitting was much better against their opponents pitching than their opponents hitting was against theirs. For 2 months last year and 5 months this year the padres played 60% ball. That is more than a full season. It was not a fluke. All their bats went cold at the same time. Latos went from the best in baseball to an average pitcher over the past 5 games. Just when Corriea and LeBlanc were beginning to struggle the Padres filled in with Stauffer and Young who both pitched very well. This is a deep pitching staff that carry the Padres.
Let the off-season questions begin.
As I told a Giants fans who said the Padres sucked, "it took the Giants 162 games to prove they were better than the Padres".
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Post by AztecTom on Oct 3, 2010 21:47:03 GMT -8
I am looking forward to collect my $300+ in Las Vegas next March. I bet the Padres over on wins. Remember this is a team whose under/over was 72.5. The Padres have done much much better than expected. They did it with great pitching. Their hitting was much better against their opponents pitching than their opponents hitting was against theirs. For 2 months last year and 5 months this year the padres played 60% ball. That is more than a full season. It was not a fluke. All their bats went cold at the same time. Latos went from the best in baseball to an average pitcher over the past 5 games. Just when Corriea and LeBlanc were beginning to struggle the Padres filled in with Stauffer and Young who both pitched very well. This is a deep pitching staff that carry the Padres. Let the off-season questions begin.
As I told a Giants fans who said the Padres sucked, "it took the Giants 162 games to prove they were better than the Padres". Don't forget Bill, I told you to bet more on this bet while we were in Vegas. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Oct 4, 2010 13:26:40 GMT -8
I'm not sure just what or whom to blame for the Padres demise, but let's face it . . . . NO pro team should lose 10 in a row. No team, not even ONE. And not with everything on the line. Had the Padres won even THREE of those 10 they would have won the Division title. Just THREE! That still would have amounted to a 3-7 (i.e., 3 out of 10) series, which is good only if the 3 is hits and the 10 is at bats.
The Padres are run by people of (presumably) limited means and (presumably) little regret that they are unable or unwilling to spend enough to improve the team. It may well be correct to say that the Padres did very well with the players they had. Okay, that may well be true. Just don't for heaven's sake expect the team to do even this well for a long time. Most years the Padres would have finished well back in the pack with this lineup. And this kind of lineup is what the Padres have had and will continue to have.
I admit that pouring out tons of money for first class free agents does not always work. On the other hand, it's absurd to expect chronically underfunded franchises to do well more than once in a blue moon.
2010 was, when one considers the team's assets, a good year. That's the exception to the rule which holds that rich clubs willing and able to pay whatever it takes to win more often than not do win. The corollary to that rule states that teams unwilling or unable to pay what it takes to win will usually not win.
That latter definition applies to the local semi-pro team masquerading as a professional baseball franchise.
The Padres have historically been losers and will most likely continue to be losers.
We talk about the curse of Montezuma with respect to the Aztecs. How about the curse of the Friars? Padres was a damned stupid name for a baseball club in the first place. I try not to be superstitious, but I am inclined to think that a change of name would be of value for this team. How about the San Diego Spinnakers? Or the San Diego Tiger Sharks? Or the Catamarans? Almost anything but the Padres. I mean, really, why not just call them the Altar Boys?
AzWm
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 4, 2010 13:36:53 GMT -8
I think 2 wins may have done it. Oh well BB season is over now, perhaps some of those fans will jump on the AZTEC bandwagon?
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 4, 2010 13:55:57 GMT -8
I'm not sure just what or whom to blame for the Padres demise, but let's face it . . . . NO pro team should lose 10 in a row. No team, not even ONE. And not with everything on the line. Had the Padres won even THREE of those 10 they would have won the Division title. Just THREE! That still would have amounted to a 3-7 (i.e., 3 out of 10) series, which is good only if the 3 is hits and the 10 is at bats. The Padres are run by people of (presumably) limited means and (presumably) little regret that they are unable or unwilling to spend enough to improve the team. It may well be correct to say that the Padres did very well with the players they had. Okay, that may well be true. Just don't for heaven's sake expect the team to do even this well for a long time. Most years the Padres would have finished well back in the pack with this lineup. And this kind of lineup is what the Padres have had and will continue to have. I admit that pouring out tons of money for first class free agents does not always work. On the other hand, it's absurd to expect chronically underfunded franchises to do well more than once in a blue moon. 2010 was, when one considers the team's assets, a good year. That's the exception to the rule which holds that rich clubs willing and able to pay whatever it takes to win more often than not do win. The corollary to that rule states that teams unwilling or unable to pay what it takes to win will usually not win. That latter definition applies to the local semi-pro team masquerading as a professional baseball franchise. The Padres have historically been losers and will most likely continue to be losers. We talk about the curse of Montezuma with respect to the Aztecs. How about the curse of the Friars? Padres was a damned stupid name for a baseball club in the first place. I try not to be superstitious, but I am inclined to think that a change of name would be of value for this team. How about the San Diego Spinnakers? Or the San Diego Tiger Sharks? Or the Catamarans? Almost anything but the Padres. I mean, really, why not just call them the Altar Boys? AzWm Losing streaks happen in baseball. It is part of the game. The Giants lost 10 of 11 in late July and early August. The Rockies have an $84 Million payroll and went 1-13 to end the season. 2005 NL West Champs 2006 NL West Champs 2007 1 game from best record in the NL 2010 1 game from a tie in the NL West. The Padres are two games away from winning 4 of the last 6 NL West Championships. I think that is doing well "more than once in a blue moon". 91-71 is a pretty good record and would be good enough to get into the playoffs in a lot of years. The Padres are in a low funded situation right now but should be re-funded after the ownership problems, due to the divorce, are resolved. In 2008, the Padres started the season at $73.677 million in payroll after winning back to back NL West championships. That is not a "chronically underfunded franchise". Divorce happens. Like children of divorced parents, we are suffering. But at least it happened at a relatively decent time. The Padres have a bunch of young players ready to go. This year gives them a much better idea of where to improve the team. |
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Post by AztecBill on Oct 4, 2010 13:58:14 GMT -8
It is really funny how the Padres were expected to go 71-91 and the folks who were sure they would end that way are now back telling us how the Padres had no chance after they went 91-71.
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Post by mayham81 on Oct 4, 2010 14:29:23 GMT -8
Helluva season for the Friars, it's a shame we ended up a game or two short. As far as the major problem area, it's the same problem area they've had since Petco opened, no offense.
If the Padres trade Adrian next year is going to be pretty ugly. If they keep Adrian, then I think we can definitely upgrade at second, both defensively and offensively, as well as the OF. Third base became a real question mark with Headley's struggles down the stretch as well. I'm very interested to see how this offseason plays out. The pitching is there and will be there, just need to improve the offense.
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Post by aztecryan on Oct 4, 2010 16:33:44 GMT -8
For everyone blaming ownership and the typical "cheap Padres", give it a rest. I'll point to the downfall of the Padres. It started with the road series in Arizona where we were outplayed by a pathetic D-Backs team. This was the first time I've seen the Padres go away from what made them successful. Being patient at the plate, working counts, getting to bullpens, manufacturing runs on the bases. They started swinging at every first pitch, did not work counts, did not get into the Arizona bullpen, and that theme continued into the next few sets of games. This is a team that could have made a playoff run due to outstanding pitching and defense. However, the last six weeks or so, you saw mistakes being made on the basepaths, you saw a Gold Glove first baseman clank routine plays that he normally makes...part of that was fatigue and part of that was the playoff push pressure, IMO. We just didn't do enough right like we did in the first half.
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Post by joshjones1 on Oct 4, 2010 22:05:53 GMT -8
For everyone blaming ownership and the typical "cheap Padres", give it a rest. your right... the melt down and this season had nothing to do with the cheapness of the organization thru the years. the Padres ruined my love for baseball. baseball was my first sporting love. it wasnt the fact that they cant win a world series, or even bad years....it has to do with the cheapness of the organization since 98 thats done it for me...its been a progression. im still a fan, but i no longer love baseball, i will not sit until the 9th inning, i may follow the games on espn scores...but i will not turn on a Padre game. Moores sold the Padres to the highest bidders who happened to have the smallest pool of wealth out there... now money isnt everything.... the Padres might get lucky...like they did this year..but its a fluke. cheapness did them in again, and it will do them in again next year. dont take my word for it.... just take a look at the attendance...until you put talent out there that has star cache, we have only just reached the beginning the slow death of fan support in San Diego. Now im not talking about going New York Yankee crazy...but at least be at midlevel payroll. if you cant even freaking do that why buy a ball club? its BS. Nobody says we have to spend HUGE. But any person who expects another season like we got from the pitching staff is kidding themselves. Can we be top 3 in the NL? Sure, could be. But as healthy as alot of these guys were, the starts we got from LeBlanc, Stauffer, etc. that was very fortunate. The offense has to be addressed in free agency. At least one hiter who can bring an .850 OPS to the table. I would dream for a high OBP/OPS guy like Adam Dunn that can hit his moon shots out of ANY park......but I won't hold my breath there. There's no reason the Padres can't have a $70M payroll. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2010 22:40:12 GMT -8
The fact that the fans didn't support this team down the stretch is a disgrace. San Diego sports fans are soft.
Hoyer said today that the payroll will increase for next year. That they are interested in resigning Tejada. GET RID OF CHASE HEADLEY. by far my most hated padre in a while. He should have been bood the entire last 2 months of the season. I'm excited for next year.
In regards to Adrian, if we don't make out golden when we trade him I'm going to be pissed.
Th Rockies got Carlos gonzalez for
Matt Holiday. The Marlins got Hanley Ramirez for Miguel Cabrera.
We deserve a young stud in return. At least 1.
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Post by Fishn'Aztec on Oct 5, 2010 13:38:22 GMT -8
Pads payroll=$38,199,000 and they almost took out the 85 million $$ Giantes! They need 2 more bats to bracket A-gone!
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Post by OfficialAztecINSIDER on Oct 5, 2010 14:58:40 GMT -8
Pads payroll=$38,199,000 and they almost took out the 85 million $$ Giantes! They need 2 more bats to bracket A-gone! I think the payroll comparison is pretty lame unless you're dealing with a team like the Yanks or Red Sox. |
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