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Post by aztecwin on Nov 12, 2013 12:29:25 GMT -8
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Post by azteccc on Nov 12, 2013 13:09:43 GMT -8
I honestly think the GOP messaging the past year or two has turned this into a boy crying wolf situation. They're in a tough spot, because they either want the law to fail or for it to be repealed - they don't actually want it to work.
If the GOP would have stayed relatively silent (comparatively) and not made it so known that they think "ObamaKare" is the worst thing to happen to America since slavery, the public would not so easily discern the looks of giddiness from the right.
Under the guise of compromise, which all of America wants, the GOP could have been the responsible party by coming in after the website had problems and proposed the solutions they wanted all along (medical device tax repeal, delay mandate, etc). Now, they are swinging for the fences, partly because they have to, and are going to end up wasting a valuable opportunity.
Of course, I dislike the Republican brand, so the mistakes are okay with me.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 12, 2013 16:08:06 GMT -8
I honestly think the GOP messaging the past year or two has turned this into a boy crying wolf situation. They're in a tough spot, because they either want the law to fail or for it to be repealed - they don't actually want it to work. If the GOP would have stayed relatively silent (comparatively) and not made it so known that they think "ObamaKare" is the worst thing to happen to America since slavery, the public would not so easily discern the looks of giddiness from the right. Under the guise of compromise, which all of America wants, the GOP could have been the responsible party by coming in after the website had problems and proposed the solutions they wanted all along (medical device tax repeal, delay mandate, etc). Now, they are swinging for the fences, partly because they have to, and are going to end up wasting a valuable opportunity. Of course, I dislike the Republican brand, so the mistakes are okay with me. You are kidding of course. Even you don't want identity thieves to steal your personal information as is now possible. They (Repubs) proposed getting rid of the Medical Device Tax and the delay but were rebuked. Now we have a new thing happening. Former President Bubba seems to be trying to provide cover for all the Red State Democrats who are up for re-election. www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-clinton-promise-obama/2013/11/12/id/536189?ns_mail_uid=2539844&ns_mail_job=1545702_11122013&promo_code=1592E-1Will Obama give in?
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Post by azteccc on Nov 12, 2013 16:47:33 GMT -8
I honestly think the GOP messaging the past year or two has turned this into a boy crying wolf situation. They're in a tough spot, because they either want the law to fail or for it to be repealed - they don't actually want it to work. If the GOP would have stayed relatively silent (comparatively) and not made it so known that they think "ObamaKare" is the worst thing to happen to America since slavery, the public would not so easily discern the looks of giddiness from the right. Under the guise of compromise, which all of America wants, the GOP could have been the responsible party by coming in after the website had problems and proposed the solutions they wanted all along (medical device tax repeal, delay mandate, etc). Now, they are swinging for the fences, partly because they have to, and are going to end up wasting a valuable opportunity. Of course, I dislike the Republican brand, so the mistakes are okay with me. You are kidding of course. Even you don't want identity thieves to steal your personal information as is now possible. They (Repubs) proposed getting rid of the Medical Device Tax and the delay but were rebuked. Now we have a new thing happening. Former President Bubba seems to be trying to provide cover for all the Red State Democrats who are up for re-election. www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-clinton-promise-obama/2013/11/12/id/536189?ns_mail_uid=2539844&ns_mail_job=1545702_11122013&promo_code=1592E-1Will Obama give in? Not one word of my post was "kidding". Currently, the GOP should be up by 4 touchdowns just killing clock. Instead it's tied at the half. You can't expect the same talking points to have different impact just because the situation is dynamic. 40-some-odd votes in the House prove the GOP doesn't have the laws best intention in mind - to act now like they're upset over problems is humorous. Foresight, or maybe less faith in the roll out, by the GOP would have served them wonders. Instead, like I said, tie game. But also like I said, I don't mind.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 12, 2013 17:11:22 GMT -8
Not one word of my post was "kidding". Currently, the GOP should be up by 4 touchdowns just killing clock. Instead it's tied at the half. You can't expect the same talking points to have different impact just because the situation is dynamic. 40-some-odd votes in the House prove the GOP doesn't have the laws best intention in mind - to act now like they're upset over problems is humorous. Foresight, or maybe less faith in the roll out, by the GOP would have served them wonders. Instead, like I said, tie game. But also like I said, I don't mind. You make no sense. Today Feinstein came out in favor of doing something to ObamaKare.
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Post by azteccc on Nov 12, 2013 17:18:07 GMT -8
Not one word of my post was "kidding". Currently, the GOP should be up by 4 touchdowns just killing clock. Instead it's tied at the half. You can't expect the same talking points to have different impact just because the situation is dynamic. 40-some-odd votes in the House prove the GOP doesn't have the laws best intention in mind - to act now like they're upset over problems is humorous. Foresight, or maybe less faith in the roll out, by the GOP would have served them wonders. Instead, like I said, tie game. But also like I said, I don't mind. You make no sense. Today Feinstein came out in favor of doing something to ObamaKare. To be honest, it probably wouldn't make sense to you.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 14, 2013 16:29:56 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 19, 2013 15:14:31 GMT -8
One more word on security. WARNING: After a recent wave of identify thefts, the FBI estimates there are over 500 fake Obamacare websites set up for the sole purpose of stealing your personal information. So protect yourself and remember: the real one is the one that doesn't work.
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Post by azteccc on Nov 19, 2013 15:19:58 GMT -8
Reread my comments, you're missing the point.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 19, 2013 17:05:05 GMT -8
Reread my comments, you're missing the point. Not missing anything at all. When you try to rationalize abject failure like Obamacare and Obama's leadership vacuum you have a very long row to hoe.
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Post by azteccc on Nov 19, 2013 17:08:32 GMT -8
Reread my comments, you're missing the point. Not missing anything at all. When you try to rationalize abject failure like Obamacare and Obama's leadership vacuum you have a very long row to hoe. Reread my comments, you're missing the point. I was speaking on GOP strategy, not the Affordable Care Act. Maybe you knew that.
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Post by 78aztec82 on Nov 19, 2013 17:26:58 GMT -8
I honestly think the GOP messaging the past year or two has turned this into a boy crying wolf situation. They're in a tough spot, because they either want the law to fail or for it to be repealed - they don't actually want it to work. If the GOP would have stayed relatively silent (comparatively) and not made it so known that they think "ObamaKare" is the worst thing to happen to America since slavery, the public would not so easily discern the looks of giddiness from the right. Under the guise of compromise, which all of America wants, the GOP could have been the responsible party by coming in after the website had problems and proposed the solutions they wanted all along (medical device tax repeal, delay mandate, etc). Now, they are swinging for the fences, partly because they have to, and are going to end up wasting a valuable opportunity. Of course, I dislike the Republican brand, so the mistakes are okay with me. You are kidding of course. Even you don't want identity thieves to steal your personal information as is now possible. They (Repubs) proposed getting rid of the Medical Device Tax and the delay but were rebuked. Now we have a new thing happening. Former President Bubba seems to be trying to provide cover for all the Red State Democrats who are up for re-election. www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-clinton-promise-obama/2013/11/12/id/536189?ns_mail_uid=2539844&ns_mail_job=1545702_11122013&promo_code=1592E-1Will Obama give in? Win, it's just a deflection from your subject. His point is a perfectly separate issue worthy of it's own discussion but totally a hijack of the issue you bring forth. I suspect that it is something they don't want to discuss? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 20, 2013 14:24:21 GMT -8
Win, it's just a deflection from your subject. His point is a perfectly separate issue worthy of it's own discussion but totally a hijack of the issue you bring forth. I suspect that it is something they don't want to discuss? Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards That is right. His comments make no sense in the context of the current discussion. I happen to think the GOP is missing the boat as well but how is that germane to the subject at hand?
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 20, 2013 14:28:33 GMT -8
I honestly think the GOP messaging the past year or two has turned this into a boy crying wolf situation. They're in a tough spot, because they either want the law to fail or for it to be repealed - they don't actually want it to work. I'm not so sure President Obama wants it to work either, at least not in the long term. If it fails, he's still succeeded in decimating the insurance industry (not such a bad thing IMO) and people will insist that the government do something. Then we get single payer, which the president has long supported. You might be right about the single payer idea, but the Health Care Industry is doing just fine. Look at the rise in value of stocks in the Health Care Industry over the last couple years. Smart money must think no matter what that they will fair well. I can see how a single payer system might work but it could not be administered by the Federal Government.
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Post by davdesid on Nov 20, 2013 15:47:17 GMT -8
You might be right about the single payer idea, but the Health Care Industry is doing just fine. Look at the rise in value of stocks in the Health Care Industry over the last couple years. Smart money must think no matter what that they will fair well. I can see how a single payer system might work but it could not be administered by the Federal Government. Normally I'm pretty conservative when it comes to things like this, but to go into a hospital adorned with chandeliers and plush carpets knowing that many people are indeed "one illness from bankruptcy" makes me sick (pardon the pun). I'm not sure that health care ought to be a profit-driven enterprise. Last July when I had surgery, I was rolled on the gurney into an operating room that looked like some place I would take my pickup for an oil change. Of course, I was on my way to lala land. But even after I came out of it, I saw no chandeliers. I don't understand why anyone would provide a service as important to people as health care without the incentive of some profit.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 20, 2013 17:11:14 GMT -8
Normally I'm pretty conservative when it comes to things like this, but to go into a hospital adorned with chandeliers and plush carpets knowing that many people are indeed "one illness from bankruptcy" makes me sick (pardon the pun). I'm not sure that health care ought to be a profit-driven enterprise. Last July when I had surgery, I was rolled on the gurney into an operating room that looked like some place I would take my pickup for an oil change. Of course, I was on my way to lala land. But even after I came out of it, I saw no chandeliers. I don't understand why anyone would provide a service as important to people as health care without the incentive of some profit. I don't mind the actual providers of the service; doctors, nurses, technicians, etc. making a profit. I do mind that the for-profit hospitals and insurance companies are making obscene profits while squeezing both the patient and the provider.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 21, 2013 7:00:44 GMT -8
Last July when I had surgery, I was rolled on the gurney into an operating room that looked like some place I would take my pickup for an oil change. Of course, I was on my way to lala land. But even after I came out of it, I saw no chandeliers. I don't understand why anyone would provide a service as important to people as health care without the incentive of some profit. I don't mind the actual providers of the service; doctors, nurses, technicians, etc. making a profit. I do mind that the for-profit hospitals and insurance companies are making obscene profits while squeezing both the patient and the provider. Add in an Army of Bureaucrats from ObamaKare and you have a total mess. Health Care needs some changes, but to be successful it must be done incrementally with careful analysis at each step along the way. I am not sure now how to proceed after the monumental screw up that this current attempt at roll out has been. A simple reversal or year delay will not fix the people who have now lost insurance. Some one has to pay the transition costs both ways and that means more cost. The worst aspect is that it appears many people knew what was going to happen and still let the public suffer. Obama is so weak and disengaged that he can't or won't hold anyone responsible.
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Nov 21, 2013 8:49:28 GMT -8
I don't mind the actual providers of the service; doctors, nurses, technicians, etc. making a profit. I do mind that the for-profit hospitals and insurance companies are making obscene profits while squeezing both the patient and the provider. Add in an Army of Bureaucrats from ObamaKare and you have a total mess. Health Care needs some changes, but to be successful it must be done incrementally with careful analysis at each step along the way. I am not sure now how to proceed after the monumental screw up that this current attempt at roll out has been. A simple reversal or year delay will not fix the people who have now lost insurance. Some one has to pay the transition costs both ways and that means more cost. The worst aspect is that it appears many people knew what was going to happen and still let the public suffer. Obama is so weak and disengaged that he can't or won't hold anyone responsible. Yes. I blame Obama for trying to compromise with the right and implementing the Heritage Foundation's RomneyCare plan. We wouldn't be in this mess if he would have extended Medicare to all citizens.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 21, 2013 9:15:20 GMT -8
Add in an Army of Bureaucrats from ObamaKare and you have a total mess. Health Care needs some changes, but to be successful it must be done incrementally with careful analysis at each step along the way. I am not sure now how to proceed after the monumental screw up that this current attempt at roll out has been. A simple reversal or year delay will not fix the people who have now lost insurance. Some one has to pay the transition costs both ways and that means more cost. The worst aspect is that it appears many people knew what was going to happen and still let the public suffer. Obama is so weak and disengaged that he can't or won't hold anyone responsible. Yes. I blame Obama for trying to compromise with the right and implementing the Heritage Foundation's RomneyCare plan. We wouldn't be in this mess if he would have extended Medicare to all citizens. Why don't you give that crapola up? This bill may have been loosely fashioned using Heritage ideas or even RomneyCare but it is a unique disaster that never had a chance at working maybe by design as a way toward "single Payer". Medicare for all will never work with so many free loaders now in the country.
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Post by aztecwin on Nov 21, 2013 9:16:31 GMT -8
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