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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 20, 2010 10:07:35 GMT -8
Well, slapping Mike Kracalick in the face in front of the team was a real blunder, Joe. I'm sure other fans can cite more mistakes. But, hell, every coach, even the successful ones, make mistakes.
Tom was just not able to win those extra couple of games in '05 that would have made it impossible for the new AD to fire him. How Tom would have done thereafter, especially with the APR issue looming, is anybody's guess.
I do tend to agree with you that Tom was given a pretty weak hand to begin with and had to take chances on some recruits that he otherwise might have passed on. In addition to the woeful state of the program by 2002, Tom Craft's players were robbed of one sure win in the 2004 "Phantom fumble" game against CSU. They also missed a sure win against Fresno in '02 due to a botched FG snap. Now, how often does that happen, even to high school teams?
And we must not forget the multiple BCS schools that SDSU had to face when such scheduling was suicide. If Craft's Aztecs had played no more than one BCS school per year, one can easily imagine that we would have gone to at least one and perhaps two bowl games.
I still believe that Dick Tomey or Rich Brooks should have been hired instead of Tom Craft. Nevertheless, if the playing field had been a bit more level upon his arrival, Tom might have had reasonable success here. Okay, he wasn't the guy for the job. I can buy that. That does not explain why so many fans continue to harbor such bad feelings toward him.
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 10:11:06 GMT -8
Tom Craft was an Aztec of considerable distinction as a quarterback and offensive coordinator. The fact that he did not get it done and clearly made mistakes as our head coach is well documented and has no bearing on my desire to see him succed in the future. He won national championships at Palomar and is now putting his skills to use at Riverside CC and I can see no reason to wish him anything other than success. Tom Craft was not given enough time to get things done here. He was playing using his first recruiting class who were Redshirt Sophomores when he was fired. That first recruiting class beat the snot out of Utah and BYU, and for that he was fired by the greatest piece of $#!+ athletic director in the history of the world. At that time 70 percent of Tom's two deep were Sophomores and Freshmen. This was the result of Ted Tollner not bothering to actively recruit during the last three years he was HC. As far as Tom making mistakes, I know of none. What mistakes do you think he made? We can start with bitch slapping a player in the face in front of the team then we can go onto treating our program like a JC program and not putting in enough time to start with and then we can move onto drinking if you want too. Oh and there is recruiting kids where about 40% couldn't make it into the school. Need we go on? |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 20, 2010 12:06:34 GMT -8
The Craft Era was a failure for many reasons. We can't do anything constructive about it by rehashing that experiment weekly. Lets move on. Craft has!
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 20, 2010 12:14:59 GMT -8
Tom Craft was not given enough time to get things done here. He was playing using his first recruiting class who were Redshirt Sophomores when he was fired. That first recruiting class beat the snot out of Utah and BYU, and for that he was fired by the greatest piece of $#!+ athletic director in the history of the world. At that time 70 percent of Tom's two deep were Sophomores and Freshmen. This was the result of Ted Tollner not bothering to actively recruit during the last three years he was HC. As far as Tom making mistakes, I know of none. What mistakes do you think he made? We can start with bitch slapping a player in the face in front of the team then we can go onto treating our program like a JC program and not putting in enough time to start with and then we can move onto drinking if you want too. Oh and there is recruiting kids where about 40% couldn't make it into the school. Need we go on? You are repeating the same old distortions that were made up on the board before. Lies are lies are lies. Bitch Slapped? That was CryBaby Kracilik who he slapped in the face when talking about provocation and retaliation on the field in a game. The point being that the guy who retaliates is almost always the guy who has the flag thrown on him. Tom did slap him on the face and it startled CryBaby, but it did not hurt him. Kracilik was big enough to destroy Tom in a second. Remember, this is football, bruises are a part of the game. A whap in the face to show the team that he would not retaliate in a public situation is a teaching tool. I have been around football for half a century and I have seen that and many other things like it before. Now, Tom if you are a kinder and gentler generation and think that active demonstration like that is too rough for a football player, I do not agree with you. Kracilik was just a cry baby for trying to make an issue of it. And of course Scrotum wrote about it in the Union to continue his attacks on the program. $#!+ like that sells copies and that is what newspapers want to do. As far as the recruiting, that is distorted crap and you know it. (Half true but false nevertheless in intent.) The class that Tollner was supposed to turn over to Tom Craft was 90 percent of the non qualifiers in the four years that Tom was here. After that, if I remember correctly, Tom had three non qualifiers in three years. That is about average. A lot of kids do not take the SAT until their senior year and then do not make a qualifying score in time. There was no drinking problem with Tom Craft. I know of nobody who has ever seen him drunk in a social situation. Now, I have been drunk in thousands of social situations, but that was back when I was a hell raising sailor. I understand that Tom once had a mixed drink on a plane coming back from a game. As far as I know, he was old enough. Let me see, he was born in...... Yep, he was old enough. Are you a Puritan and think that any consumption of a beer or a mixed drink is intolerable in a football coach? Spare me, Tom. I see no wrong there. Football coaches belong to a drinking fraternity. Damn, man, you have got to have a drink or two in the evening after seeing what some football players can do to totally fug up a game. Sort of like that interception down on the seven yard line when we had a chance to put the game away against Missouri in the fourth quarter. Hell, if I was the head coach, that would have been enough for me to go out and buy a quart bottle of Vodka and chug a lug it all the way home on the flight. Either that or just beat the $#!+ out of somebody just to get the anger out. That works, you know, but I am too old for that now. Those were the good old days. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 20, 2010 12:29:25 GMT -8
Well, slapping Mike Kracalick in the face in front of the team was a real blunder, Joe. I'm sure other fans can cite more mistakes. But, hell, every coach, even the successful ones, make mistakes. Tom was just not able to win those extra couple of games in '05 that would have made it impossible for the new AD to fire him. How Tom would have done thereafter, especially with the APR issue looming, is anybody's guess. I do tend to agree with you that Tom was given a pretty weak hand to begin with and had to take chances on some recruits that he otherwise might have passed on. In addition to the woeful state of the program by 2002, Tom Craft's players were robbed of one sure win in the 2004 "Phantom fumble" game against CSU. They also missed a sure win against Fresno in '02 due to a botched FG snap. Now, how often does that happen, even to high school teams? And we must not forget the multiple BCS schools that SDSU had to face when such scheduling was suicide. If Craft's Aztecs had played no more than one BCS school per year, one can easily imagine that we would have gone to at least one and perhaps two bowl games. I still believe that Dick Tomey or Rich Brooks should have been hired instead of Tom Craft. Nevertheless, if the playing field had been a bit more level upon his arrival, Tom might have had reasonable success here. Okay, he wasn't the guy for the job. I can buy that. That does not explain why so many fans continue to harbor such bad feelings toward him. AzWm When Tom was hired (to my surprise) I wrote to the AD department telling them that I did not see Tom as an administrator. The AD would best appoint a compliance assistant to go over all of the inane NCAA rules that can get somebody snagged. If Tom had a fault, that was it. Ironically the biggest thing held against him was that snag when it came to Baldwin taking attendance during the summer conditioning program he ran. Summer conditioning programs are perfectly legal. Taking attendance is not. How much you want to bet that Tom Craft did not know that? That is what he needed an assistant for. By the way the date of the attendance that was "sanctioned" by the NCAA was while Tollner was still coach from what I read. Remember Tom held Baldwin on after Ted was fired. By the way, Baldwin has an undefeated team up at Ramona. Damn, that man can coach. Ramona used to be everybody's patsy. As far as slapping Kracilik, I see nothing wrong with it. But then again, my days of trying out for the football team was half a century ago when coaches were rough on players. Hell, it was football, not a knitting bee. In football half a century ago, if your leg was broken and the bones were sticking out, you just pushed them back in your leg, taped the wound shut and got back out there on the field for the next play. I guess guys are a lot more delicate now. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 20, 2010 12:44:28 GMT -8
The Craft Era was a failure for many reasons. We can't do anything constructive about it by rehashing that experiment weekly. Lets move on. Craft has! Go bugger yourself! There was no failure. He was building a program and had to use Redshirt Freshmen and Sophomores from his first two recruiting classes in 2004 and 2005 to take positions that should have been filled by Tollners Seniors and Juniors who were for the most part totally absent in 2004 and 2005. When you are playing with mostly underclassmen and you beat two bowl bound teams with those youngsters, that is not a failure. THAT IS CALLED TREMENDOUS GROWTH. When Tom was getting miraculous results from those undersized and still learning kids, he was fired and a total dufus who never should have been allowed to coach anywhere was brought in to ruin the program. |
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 12:53:03 GMT -8
We can start with bitch slapping a player in the face in front of the team then we can go onto treating our program like a JC program and not putting in enough time to start with and then we can move onto drinking if you want too. Oh and there is recruiting kids where about 40% couldn't make it into the school. Need we go on? You are repeating the same old distortions that were made up on the board before. Lies are lies are lies. Bitch Slapped? That was CryBaby Kracilik who he slapped in the face when talking about provocation and retaliation on the field in a game. The point being that the guy who retaliates is almost always the guy who has the flag thrown on him. Tom did slap him on the face and it startled CryBaby, but it did not hurt him. Kracilik was big enough to destroy Tom in a second. Remember, this is football, bruises are a part of the game. A whap in the face to show the team that he would not retaliate in a public situation is a teaching tool. I have been around football for half a century and I have seen that and many other things like it before. Now, Tom if you are a kinder and gentler generation and think that active demonstration like that is too rough for a football player, I do not agree with you. Kracilik was just a cry baby for trying to make an issue of it. And of course Scrotum wrote about it in the Union to continue his attacks on the program. $#!+ like that sells copies and that is what newspapers want to do. As far as the recruiting, that is distorted crap and you know it. (Half true but false nevertheless in intent.) The class that Tollner was supposed to turn over to Tom Craft was 90 percent of the non qualifiers in the four years that Tom was here. After that, if I remember correctly, Tom had three non qualifiers in three years. That is about average. A lot of kids do not take the SAT until their senior year and then do not make a qualifying score in time. There was no drinking problem with Tom Craft. I know of nobody who has ever seen him drunk in a social situation. Now, I have been drunk in thousands of social situations, but that was back when I was a hell raising sailor. I understand that Tom once had a mixed drink on a plane coming back from a game. As far as I know, he was old enough. Let me see, he was born in...... Yep, he was old enough. Are you a Puritan and think that any consumption of a beer or a mixed drink is intolerable in a football coach? Spare me, Tom. I see no wrong there. Football coaches belong to a drinking fraternity. Damn, man, you have got to have a drink or two in the evening after seeing what some football players can do to totally fug up a game. Sort of like that interception down on the seven yard line when we had a chance to put the game away against Missouri in the fourth quarter. Hell, if I was the head coach, that would have been enough for me to go out and buy a quart bottle of Vodka and chug a lug it all the way home on the flight. Either that or just beat the $#!+ out of somebody just to get the anger out. That works, you know, but I am too old for that now. Those were the good old days. Joe, trust me when I say this, none of those are lies. |
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 12:54:22 GMT -8
The Craft Era was a failure for many reasons. Absolutely the truth. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 20, 2010 14:48:30 GMT -8
The Craft Era was a failure for many reasons. Absolutely the truth. OK, you self identified and you can not deny it. You are a ***** wussie wimp. Go proclaim it to the world in your squeaky voice. I grew up in a different era where men were tougher. I may be real old now, but I still remember the standards for men in the Nineteen Forties, Fifties and Sixties when I grew into manhood. You would never qualify. Disgusting! You modern bisexual and limp wrist-ed perfumed "guys" with manicures are just too much for me. You can go bugger yourself, too, or have your domestic partner do it for you. |
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 14:49:58 GMT -8
OK, you self identified and you can not deny it. You are a ***** wussie wimp. Go proclaim it to the world in your squeaky voice. I grew up in a different era where men were tougher. I may be real old now, but I still remember the standards for men in the Nineteen Forties, Fifties and Sixties when I grew into manhood. You would never qualify. Disgusting! You modern bisexual and limp wrist-ed perfumed "guys" with manicures are just too much for me. You can go bugger yourself, too, or have your domestic partner do it for you. Get a grip old man! I have inside information and it is all true so deal with it! The only limp wrist-ed ***** would be you because it sure in the hell isn't me old geezer. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 20, 2010 14:53:48 GMT -8
You are repeating the same old distortions that were made up on the board before. Lies are lies are lies. Bitch Slapped? That was CryBaby Kracilik who he slapped in the face when talking about provocation and retaliation on the field in a game. The point being that the guy who retaliates is almost always the guy who has the flag thrown on him. Tom did slap him on the face and it startled CryBaby, but it did not hurt him. Kracilik was big enough to destroy Tom in a second. Remember, this is football, bruises are a part of the game. A whap in the face to show the team that he would not retaliate in a public situation is a teaching tool. I have been around football for half a century and I have seen that and many other things like it before. Now, Tom if you are a kinder and gentler generation and think that active demonstration like that is too rough for a football player, I do not agree with you. Kracilik was just a cry baby for trying to make an issue of it. And of course Scrotum wrote about it in the Union to continue his attacks on the program. $#!+ like that sells copies and that is what newspapers want to do. As far as the recruiting, that is distorted crap and you know it. (Half true but false nevertheless in intent.) The class that Tollner was supposed to turn over to Tom Craft was 90 percent of the non qualifiers in the four years that Tom was here. After that, if I remember correctly, Tom had three non qualifiers in three years. That is about average. A lot of kids do not take the SAT until their senior year and then do not make a qualifying score in time. There was no drinking problem with Tom Craft. I know of nobody who has ever seen him drunk in a social situation. Now, I have been drunk in thousands of social situations, but that was back when I was a hell raising sailor. I understand that Tom once had a mixed drink on a plane coming back from a game. As far as I know, he was old enough. Let me see, he was born in...... Yep, he was old enough. Are you a Puritan and think that any consumption of a beer or a mixed drink is intolerable in a football coach? Spare me, Tom. I see no wrong there. Football coaches belong to a drinking fraternity. Damn, man, you have got to have a drink or two in the evening after seeing what some football players can do to totally fug up a game. Sort of like that interception down on the seven yard line when we had a chance to put the game away against Missouri in the fourth quarter. Hell, if I was the head coach, that would have been enough for me to go out and buy a quart bottle of Vodka and chug a lug it all the way home on the flight. Either that or just beat the $#!+ out of somebody just to get the anger out. That works, you know, but I am too old for that now. Those were the good old days. Joe, trust me when I say this, none of those are lies. Hey limp wrist, I never said they were lies. I said they were distortions. You know there was a reason why you were always beaten up on the playground by the girls when you were growing up. Sorry, they just would not accept you. |
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 17:07:13 GMT -8
Joe, trust me when I say this, none of those are lies. Hey limp wrist, I never said they were lies. I said they were distortions. You know there was a reason why you were always beaten up on the playground by the girls when you were growing up. Sorry, they just would not accept you. WTF are you talking about old man? Are you confused at your age? |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 20, 2010 17:08:55 GMT -8
You are repeating the same old distortions that were made up on the board before. Lies are lies are lies. Bitch Slapped? That was CryBaby Kracilik who he slapped in the face when talking about provocation and retaliation on the field in a game. The point being that the guy who retaliates is almost always the guy who has the flag thrown on him. Tom did slap him on the face and it startled CryBaby, but it did not hurt him. Kracilik was big enough to destroy Tom in a second. Remember, this is football, bruises are a part of the game. A whap in the face to show the team that he would not retaliate in a public situation is a teaching tool. I have been around football for half a century and I have seen that and many other things like it before. Now, Tom if you are a kinder and gentler generation and think that active demonstration like that is too rough for a football player, I do not agree with you. Kracilik was just a cry baby for trying to make an issue of it. And of course Scrotum wrote about it in the Union to continue his attacks on the program. $#!+ like that sells copies and that is what newspapers want to do. As far as the recruiting, that is distorted crap and you know it. (Half true but false nevertheless in intent.) The class that Tollner was supposed to turn over to Tom Craft was 90 percent of the non qualifiers in the four years that Tom was here. After that, if I remember correctly, Tom had three non qualifiers in three years. That is about average. A lot of kids do not take the SAT until their senior year and then do not make a qualifying score in time. There was no drinking problem with Tom Craft. I know of nobody who has ever seen him drunk in a social situation. Now, I have been drunk in thousands of social situations, but that was back when I was a hell raising sailor. I understand that Tom once had a mixed drink on a plane coming back from a game. As far as I know, he was old enough. Let me see, he was born in...... Yep, he was old enough. Are you a Puritan and think that any consumption of a beer or a mixed drink is intolerable in a football coach? Spare me, Tom. I see no wrong there. Football coaches belong to a drinking fraternity. Damn, man, you have got to have a drink or two in the evening after seeing what some football players can do to totally fug up a game. Sort of like that interception down on the seven yard line when we had a chance to put the game away against Missouri in the fourth quarter. Hell, if I was the head coach, that would have been enough for me to go out and buy a quart bottle of Vodka and chug a lug it all the way home on the flight. Either that or just beat the $#!+ out of somebody just to get the anger out. That works, you know, but I am too old for that now. Those were the good old days. Joe, trust me when I say this, none of those are lies. Trust me Tom, there really ARE distortions of the truth here. Yes, he slapped Kracilik in the face, not hard, to make a point to the team. He DID NOT bitch slap him, BIG difference. I wish Tom didn't use that example on a player who was that sensitive, but I'm sure Tom thought Big Mike could handle it. Better yet, I wish Tom didn't lay a hand on someone at all to make an example. Lesson learned. As for the drinking thing, give me a break. I won't even waste my time here on that one. I think Joe summed it ok on that topic. As for the recruiting issues, like I've said a million times, check out all the players he has in the NFL. Case closed. Remember, Tom was under ALOT of pressure to produce a winner NOW, not later and was told to go after the best and take chances in that department. If he didn't go after the best and take some chances, we would never get better. |
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 17:13:46 GMT -8
Joe, trust me when I say this, none of those are lies. Trust me Tom, there really ARE distortions of the truth here. Yes, he slapped Kracilik in the face, not hard, to make a point to the team. He DID NOT bitch slap him, BIG difference. I wish Tom didn't use that example on a player who was that sensitive, but I'm sure Tom thought Big Mike could handle it. Better yet, I wish Tom didn't lay a hand on someone at all to make an example. Lesson learned. As for the drinking thing, give me a break. I won't even waste my time here on that one. I think Joe summed it ok on that topic. As for the recruiting issues, like I've said a million times, check out all the players he has in the NFL. Case closed. Remember, Tom was under ALOT of pressure to produce a winner NOW, not later and was told to go after the best and take chances in that department. If he didn't go after the best and take some chances, we would never get better. Don't even try to defend his drinking John, you don't want me to say what I witnessed first hand on a road trip. |
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Post by johneaztec on Sept 20, 2010 18:15:19 GMT -8
Trust me Tom, there really ARE distortions of the truth here. Yes, he slapped Kracilik in the face, not hard, to make a point to the team. He DID NOT bitch slap him, BIG difference. I wish Tom didn't use that example on a player who was that sensitive, but I'm sure Tom thought Big Mike could handle it. Better yet, I wish Tom didn't lay a hand on someone at all to make an example. Lesson learned. As for the drinking thing, give me a break. I won't even waste my time here on that one. I think Joe summed it ok on that topic. As for the recruiting issues, like I've said a million times, check out all the players he has in the NFL. Case closed. Remember, Tom was under ALOT of pressure to produce a winner NOW, not later and was told to go after the best and take chances in that department. If he didn't go after the best and take some chances, we would never get better. Don't even try to defend his drinking John, you don't want me to say what I witnessed first hand on a road trip. Tell me. I was at every one. Name the place, game, and when it was. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 20, 2010 18:17:33 GMT -8
The Craft Era was a failure for many reasons. We can't do anything constructive about it by rehashing that experiment weekly. Lets move on. Craft has! Go bugger yourself! There was no failure. He was building a program and had to use Redshirt Freshmen and Sophomores from his first two recruiting classes in 2004 and 2005 to take positions that should have been filled by Tollners Seniors and Juniors who were for the most part totally absent in 2004 and 2005. When you are playing with mostly underclassmen and you beat two bowl bound teams with those youngsters, that is not a failure. THAT IS CALLED TREMENDOUS GROWTH. When Tom was getting miraculous results from those undersized and still learning kids, he was fired and a total dufus who never should have been allowed to coach anywhere was brought in to ruin the program. Try to read what is written and if that fails to sink in, I suggest you reverse the charges. |
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Post by AztecTom on Sept 20, 2010 18:32:23 GMT -8
Don't even try to defend his drinking John, you don't want me to say what I witnessed first hand on a road trip. Tell me. I was at every one. Name the place, game, and when it was. I won't say on the board but I will pm you. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 21, 2010 5:40:19 GMT -8
Go bugger yourself! There was no failure. He was building a program and had to use Redshirt Freshmen and Sophomores from his first two recruiting classes in 2004 and 2005 to take positions that should have been filled by Tollners Seniors and Juniors who were for the most part totally absent in 2004 and 2005. When you are playing with mostly underclassmen and you beat two bowl bound teams with those youngsters, that is not a failure. THAT IS CALLED TREMENDOUS GROWTH. When Tom was getting miraculous results from those undersized and still learning kids, he was fired and a total dufus who never should have been allowed to coach anywhere was brought in to ruin the program. Try to read what is written and if that fails to sink in, I suggest you reverse the charges. Win in 2004 and 2005 you were part of the Pathological Lying Clique on this forum that was taking every opportunity to Attack Tom Craft because he could not win with all of those Freshmen in the line and at QB and at numerous other positions. Freshmen do not win games, they make too many mistakes to help you win with consistency. All you can hope for is that as time goes by they make fewer and fewer mistakes and that by their junior year they are bonified Division One football players. We had to give Tom the opportunity to build a team out of chaos. Instead, because he was forced by Tollner's lack of recruiting to have to play underclassmen in almost every position. Why fire a man for that? Only grossly ignorant twits like you and the PLC gang would call for that and set the program back. I was not in favor of Tom's hire initially, but once he was here, we had to let him play his his first recruiting class as Seniors to have said we gave him a chance. If you can not see that was wrong you are an ignorant twit. I may still like you, but you are an ignorant twit never the less. |
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Post by joshjones1 on Sept 21, 2010 6:22:00 GMT -8
LMAO.
Joe, you always do this. You rant and rave about the year Craft beat BYU and Utah (who were average that year), with "sophomores on his O-line".
The problem is, Craft wasn't fired after that year. He came back the next season, laid a fat egg, and THEN was let go.
He got four seasons. He had his first recruiting class as seniors, albeit a rushed class and not his fault.
He had his first true, full class as juniors.
And we saw what he left Long on the line. You act as if the O-line was ready to just blow up when Tom got fired. We've had major O-line issues every single season until this one.
Yes, you are most certainly distorting the truth.
His tenure was also plagued with retalitation lawsuits (Craft's fault, no, but he DID remove Ohton from football duties), NCAA violations, attrition, major APR problems that cost us scholarships, bad press, and bad losses.
There is no denying the above. The man FAILED at SDSU. He is back in Juco ball where he is better off. Good luck to the 'stache.
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 21, 2010 7:20:35 GMT -8
LMAO. Joe, you always do this. You rant and rave about the year Craft beat BYU and Utah (who were average that year), with "sophomores on his O-line". The problem is, Craft wasn't fired after that year. He came back the next season, laid a fat egg, and THEN was let go. He got four seasons. He had his first recruiting class as seniors, albeit a rushed class and not his fault. He had his first true, full class as juniors. And we saw what he left Long on the line. You act as if the O-line was ready to just blow up when Tom got fired. We've had major O-line issues every single season until this one. Yes, you are most certainly distorting the truth. His tenure was also plagued with retalitation lawsuits (Craft's fault, no, but he DID remove Ohton from football duties), NCAA violations, attrition, major APR problems that cost us scholarships, bad press, and bad losses. There is no denying the above. The man FAILED at SDSU. He is back in Juco ball where he is better off. Good luck to the 'stache. Josh, it was 2005 when he was fired. That was the same year when Utah and BYU went to bowl games AND SDSU beat them like a drum. That was when his first recruiting class of 2003 were playing as Redshirt Sophomores. I am amazed that you can not understand the concept. They were signed to letters of intent in February of 2003. They redshirted that season Sept - Dec 2003. They played their redshirt Freshman year in 2004 They played their redshirt Sophomore year in 2005. 2005 was when they (as sophomores) beat BYU and Utah. As Sophomores they showed during the season that they could make a lot of mistakes. OC had two fumbles just before halftime in the Air Force game, a game that without those Sophomore fumbles we could have won. Those linemen were playing way above what you would expect sophomores to do. Robinson and Dombrowski are now in the Pros. Same with OC. What a beautiful recruiting class that was. Long could not win with them because he was a total shithead, but Tom when he had the blocking up front could dissect any team in the country. No blocking = no dissection. As far as the class that Tollner turned over to Tom in the 2001 - 2002 recruiting season, those guys never made it to the Mesa. You say that we should blame Tom for that. Sorry, that does not hold water from my perspective. In normal recruiting, a coach goes into the house one to two years in advance to try to convince the mother (and father) of the kid that he should come to our school. It is a long process of keeping on the kid and helping him to see himself wearing the Black Uniform. When you convince them, they verbally precommit and 90 percent of the time they keep that commitment. Now, how many precommitments did Tollner get for that 2002 class? A normal coach gets about a quarter of a hundred promises from athletes. That 2001 - 2002 class was Tollner's class. Come on, Josh, tell me and the board how many precommits Tollner handed over to Tom Craft in January of 2002?  Just a few days later was letter of intent day. Who were the precommits? Did they make it to the Mesa? When a kid commits he is off limits as regards recruiting unless he changes his mind. Usually all the quality kids are precommited by December. The only ones who are available in December are usually the ones who are projected to not qualify for admission. You can frantically try to sign them, but they almost never make it in. Craft's first "Go in the home" recruiting class was the 2002 - 2003 one Those kids are now in the Pros. I think that class had one or two who did not make it in to school. One or two is normal each class because kids just can not score high enough on the SAT or ACT. Such is life. You offer the scholarship in February and hope that they can make a qualifying score by September. |
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