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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 8, 2013 13:38:12 GMT -8
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 8, 2013 15:10:12 GMT -8
Interesting and very predictable with human nature being what it is. Young people signing up to support this program on their backs is pretty far fetched. |
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Post by azteccc on Aug 8, 2013 16:29:19 GMT -8
Have YOU made your monthly donation to FreedomWorks?! I heard someone say the other day, "The current Republican brand is a scam, and the constituents are the marks"
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Post by azteccc on Aug 9, 2013 10:22:23 GMT -8
Have YOU made your monthly donation to FreedomWorks?! I heard someone say the other day, "The current Republican brand is a scam, and the constituents are the marks" What does anything you've posted above have to do with the ACA? Obamacare is a sh!tshow. "The audience laughed when I quoted from the recent piece from Timothy Jost suggesting that young and healthy people would sign up out of a sense of social obligation."LOLOLOLOL Don't these people understand that you can't buy votes by promising giveaways and then expect the very recipients of the giveaways to pay real money for something...especially when that "something" isn't even for themselves? LOLOLOLOL FreedomWorks is a 501c4/527 created and funded by the Koch brothers. They are the group that took over the tea party back when it was just a citizens movement and turned it into a political organization that elected farrrrr righties (i.e. the tea party reps). FreedomWorks newest way to A) to solicit funds from old, white conservatives, B) stick it to Obama, and C) help protect corporate profits is to spend hundreds of millions of dollars going into poor communities and trying to convince younger people to not sign up for the ACA. |
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Post by aztecwin on Aug 9, 2013 16:22:16 GMT -8
FreedomWorks is a 501c4/527 created and funded by the Koch brothers. They are the group that took over the tea party back when it was just a citizens movement and turned it into a political organization that elected farrrrr righties (i.e. the tea party reps). FreedomWorks newest way to A) to solicit funds from old, white conservatives, B) stick it to Obama, and C) help protect corporate profits is to spend hundreds of millions of dollars going into poor communities and trying to convince younger people to not sign up for the ACA. I agree with everything you've said. However, with regard to your last sentence, do you really think a bunch of "Freedom Works for Me" people are ever going to convince anyone under 30 to betray Obama? If so, why did Obama win 90% of those people just a year ago? Funny exchange! Now where are the questions about Soros and his sponsored programs? You might not be able to get young folks to abandon Obama due to anything FreedomWorks does, but when young people see obama tying to get into their pockets to support something they can't see far enough into the future to see any personal benefit, they might bail. |
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Post by azteccc on Aug 9, 2013 16:48:25 GMT -8
However, with regard to your last sentence, do you really think a bunch of "Freedom Works for Me" people are ever going to convince anyone under 30 to betray Obama? If so, why did Obama win 90% of those people just a year ago? I bet they won't identify themselves as minions of the Koch brothers when they are telling lies to people. I don't know their strategy, and who knows if it will work. The youth vote actually was only 67% for Obama, and the youth are what the ACA depends on to be successful, at least in lowering premiums. Like I said, who knows how successful they'll be... Fox tells lies about pretty much everything to the largest contingent of cable news viewers on TV and many of them buy it. Do you really think, considering how uninformed most are, that should they be approached by someone who looks official telling them the ACA will cost them $1k a month, it won't make a difference? Who knows. Just funny that the Koch brothers are so against the ACA that they are willing to spend hundreds of millions to try to stop it. Funnier still that people like Win will donate to the cause. |
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Post by AztecWilliam on Aug 9, 2013 22:48:42 GMT -8
However, with regard to your last sentence, do you really think a bunch of "Freedom Works for Me" people are ever going to convince anyone under 30 to betray Obama? If so, why did Obama win 90% of those people just a year ago? I bet they won't identify themselves as minions of the Koch brothers when they are telling lies to people. I don't know their strategy, and who knows if it will work. The youth vote actually was only 67% for Obama, and the youth are what the ACA depends on to be successful, at least in lowering premiums. Like I said, who knows how successful they'll be... Fox tells lies about pretty much everything to the largest contingent of cable news viewers on TV and many of them buy it. Do you really think, considering how uninformed most are, that should they be approached by someone who looks official telling them the ACA will cost them $1k a month, it won't make a difference? Who knows. Just funny that the Koch brothers are so against the ACA that they are willing to spend hundreds of millions to try to stop it. Funnier still that people like Win will donate to the cause. Just for fun, please cite for me (with supporting evidence) just one case of someone on Fox News telling a lie. Now, let's keep in mind that saying something that is inaccurate because of getting bad information in the first place is not lying. Lying is when you look out the window and see that it's cloudy and raining buckets and then tell someone over the telephone that the sun is out and there is not a cloud in the sky. Also, if a TV personality says something of a policy nature with which you disagree, that is not by itself a lie. I also include in the non-lie category statements that may be thought of as vague or misleading. For instance, the GOP House has claimed that the administration has not responded to their request for documents relating to various important issues. I have heard admin. spokespersons respond, in essence, that "We have given them thousands of pages of documents; what's their problem?" Clearly, the GOP maintains that they did not get what they wanted, no matter how many pieces of paper they received. There was a variation on that theme that came up in the last few days. In that one, the admin. did send copies of requested files, but there were so many redactions that whole pages were solidly black! The administration can be criticized for trying to mislead the public with the "thousands of pages" statement, but such a statement is not an actual lie. (And, yes, both parties are guilty of this. Outright lies are much less common. Frankly, the really good politicians do not lie per se; instead, they put up smokescreens or answer questions that were not asked.) I'm waiting. AzWm |
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