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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2013 14:45:04 GMT -8
By the way, "Young and promising," means, "They haven't done squat yet to show that they're legit NFL starters." Potential is a dirty word in football if you don't live up to it.
Again, I've been ahead of the curve with my evaluations of coaches and GM's. I'm seeing red flags with Telesco already, and I'm not happy about that. He can still turn it around, but this season is lost and it didn't have to be.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 27, 2013 14:48:35 GMT -8
Shaun Phillips to Denver.
Another hole on the roster that needs to be filled. What is Telesco doing???
Oh, yeah - I already answered that one before. He's tearing the whole thing down to rebuild from the ground up. The problem with that is that it takes 2-4 years to do that. 2-4 more years of crappy football. By that time I'll have moved on to another team, and so will many San Diegans. You can only take so much bad football before you say, "Enough!"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 16:44:45 GMT -8
I heard he has a new girlfriend
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 27, 2013 21:38:03 GMT -8
Phillips is another player on the decline....we are trying to get younger. Liuget has been in the league 2 years. Reyes was a rookie last season. Liuget from year 1 to year 2 improved a TON. Criticizing Telesco when the roster was gutted by his predecessor makes zero sense. Bill Williamson of ESPN, who covers the AFC West, has this to say...
BEST MOVES
It’s difficult to beat what new San Diego general manager Tom Telesco pulled off in the second and third rounds. After taking Alabama right tackle D.J. Fluker with the 11th pick in the first round, Telesco came back firing Friday with the trade up to acquire Te’o and the third-round selection of California receiver Keenan Allen.
Immediately after the Allen choice, ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said Telesco drafted three first-rounders. That view was later echoed by fellow ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper.
I expect both Te’o and Allen to contribute immediately. Allen, who has had some manageable knee issues, is a sure receiver who gives the offense-needy Chargers a serious weapon. Philip Rivers has seen several top weapons leave in free agency in recent years. He gets a gift in the form of Allen.
Again, the roster needed to be overhauled. Ingram, Reyes and Liuget are cornerstones on a young defense that will only get better. Donald Butler is going to be a perennial Pro Bowler, now you add Te'o to the mix on the inside as well? Safety opposite Weddle and one corner spot is really the only question mark. I expect McKinnie to be signed to play LT. Telesco is doing an admirable job given his monetary limitations.
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Post by aztecron on Apr 28, 2013 8:01:09 GMT -8
We spent a 2nd round pick on the guy and gave away our 4th round pick to move up to get him. That's a 2nd and a 4th round pick to get the guy. He cost us two picks. He isn't worth it. We had (and still have ) other areas of DIRE need. And I've seen too many head case guys crash and burn in the NFL to think that this was a good pick even if he weren't slow. Playing against NFL caliber talent in the BCS Championhip game he looked like a high school kid. He's going to play against that caliber of opposition every week in the NFL. It was a BAD pick. You're simply wrong on all counts, simple as that. We'll see how it plays out. Its amazing that people can overlook his work on the field and allow their personal bias into the equation of grading him. Bill Polian loves Teo and the move to the Chargers. I'll take his evaluation over yours any day of the week, unless you can tell me you've built three teams that went to the Super Bowl a total of six times? Relax and enjoy the pick. And, ILB was a "dire need" pick for us.
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Post by aztecron on Apr 28, 2013 8:02:58 GMT -8
By taking Te'o (a somewhat risky pick) we have IGNORED LT, DT, DE, S, and CB. Those are all areas of desperate need. We have no real talent in those positions. We've got guys that couldn't make any other roster (well, maybe Oakland) in those spots. How is Telesco going to get frontline talent at the back of the draft and with castoff free agents that other teams don't want? 5-11 this year. And it didn't have to be that way. We deserve better as a fan base. Erik, settle down, man. The draft isn't the only means to building a franchise, there is still FA to go. There are LT's on the market. Telesco can't fix in one year what AJ broke over five years.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2013 8:05:22 GMT -8
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Post by aztecron on Apr 28, 2013 8:05:40 GMT -8
We spent a 2nd round pick on the guy and gave away our 4th round pick to move up to get him. That's a 2nd and a 4th round pick to get the guy. He cost us two picks. He isn't worth it. We had (and still have ) other areas of DIRE need. And I've seen too many head case guys crash and burn in the NFL to think that this was a good pick even if he weren't slow. Playing against NFL caliber talent in the BCS Championhip game he looked like a high school kid. He's going to play against that caliber of opposition every week in the NFL. It was a BAD pick. We traded 2nd round picks, meaning we swapped draft position. We gave up our 4th round pick. As for your BCS championship game, he wasn't surrounded by NFL caliber talent on that ND team. It does make a difference. You can't take Bama on by yourself.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2013 8:08:31 GMT -8
Telesco has let a lot of talent go just like A.J. did, and the acquisitions he's made have been less than stellar.
The only guys left in free agency are castoffs that no one wants. Guys who couldn't cut it on other teams or were paid a lot more than they were worth (meaning they underachieved and got cut).
I think Telesco's done a horrible job of setting up the 2013 season. He's clearly looking to the 2014 and 2015 seasons and is throwing the fans under the bus in the meantime. We'll have had 5 or 6 years in a row of crappy football before the Chargers are legit contenders again. It didn't have to be that way.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2013 8:10:36 GMT -8
We spent a 2nd round pick on the guy and gave away our 4th round pick to move up to get him. That's a 2nd and a 4th round pick to get the guy. He cost us two picks. He isn't worth it. We had (and still have ) other areas of DIRE need. And I've seen too many head case guys crash and burn in the NFL to think that this was a good pick even if he weren't slow. Playing against NFL caliber talent in the BCS Championhip game he looked like a high school kid. He's going to play against that caliber of opposition every week in the NFL. It was a BAD pick. We traded 2nd round picks, meaning we swapped draft position. We gave up our 4th round pick. We spent a 2nd and a 4th to get him. Te'o was taken in the 2nd round (thus the 2nd) and we gave up our 4th for the privilege to move up a few spots to make sure that we got him. So his overall cost was the 2nd round pick we took him with and the 4th round pick we used to move up. We paid too much for such a slow linebacker. Yeah, but if you're that slow and you go up against guys who are bigger and stronger AND faster than you then you're not going to be effective, regardless of who is around you. The guys in the NFL are all going to be bigger, stronger, and faster than Te'o.
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Post by aztecron on Apr 28, 2013 8:16:39 GMT -8
Again, I'll take a former six time Super Bowl team building GM's opinion (Polian) over a writer's (Chadiha) opinion, everyday of the week. And going by the ESPN pundits alone, it's easily 4-1 in favor of the pick as a steal.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2013 8:19:24 GMT -8
We're going to find out in September if he's too slow or not, won't we?
Unless Telesco performs some kind of miracle over the next 3 months I'm predicting a 5-11 season and the worst in 10 years for the Chargers in 2013. That's not what he was hired to produce.
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Post by The Aztec Panther on Apr 28, 2013 8:21:46 GMT -8
Again, I'll take a former six time Super Bowl team building GM's opinion (Polian) over a writer's (Chadiha) opinion, everyday of the week. And going by the ESPN pundits alone, it's easily 4-1 in favor of the pick as a steal. By the way Chadiha isn't just a writer...
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 28, 2013 12:13:31 GMT -8
So Chadiha played in college? Big deal. Does he have an eye on how to develop talent? Is he good at evaluating players? Show me something concrete on how Telesco's acquisitions have been "less than stellar." He's let a lot of talent go? Like who? Cason was horrible. Jammer is still on the market, Phillips got a one year deal (which shows nobody thinks anything of him post-2013). Explain to me (once again) how Telesco could have rebuilt this team THIS SEASON and done better, Erik. One of those alleged "less than stellar" acquisitions, Derek Cox is actually pretty darn good. Courtesy of Pro Football Focus.... "Perhaps most impressively, Cox has only allowed one touchdown in his last 21 games, despite numerous matchups with his divisional rivals – Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson. This follows him allowing 10 touchdowns in his first 26 games in the league, which highlights the progress he has made and why he deserved a contract others may see as excessive. Last season Cox held Wayne to just 42 yards in two games, and against the Bengals he held A.J. Green to only one catch for eight yards. He did, however, struggle a bit against Calvin Johnson (six receptions for 103 yards) and Brandon Marshall (five receptions for 79 yards and a score). Cox is an above average, but not elite NFL cornerback, so he will continue to be asked to primarily cover the opposing No. 1 receiver and still receive plenty of targets."
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Post by 78aztec82 on Apr 28, 2013 12:24:54 GMT -8
I HATE this pick. It is incredibly stupid. First, the guy is a head case. He's an implosion waiting to happen. Second, he's not a game changer. You don't use TWO picks to get a player like this. He isn't worth it. Third, linebacker is NOT an area of dire need for the Chargers. Left Tackle, Defensive (Nose) Tackle, Defensive End, Cornerback, and Safety are all areas of much greater need for the Chargers. So they waste a 4th round pick in trading up to get a head case, above average but not dominant, player who does not play a position of great need for the Chargers. Dumbest pick in years for the Bolts. Absolutely asinine. Head case? Come on, that is a bit of a stretch. The kid got punked, he was mormon, probably has no social skills with women, he is naive at best, not a head case. Stories around the ND program said he was an on-field and respected locker room leader. Hardly a head case. The other stuff? Unsure, I've not been thinking about Chargers D lately so I have no opinion on that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2013 17:21:42 GMT -8
I HATE this pick. It is incredibly stupid. First, the guy is a head case. He's an implosion waiting to happen. Second, he's not a game changer. You don't use TWO picks to get a player like this. He isn't worth it. Third, linebacker is NOT an area of dire need for the Chargers. Left Tackle, Defensive (Nose) Tackle, Defensive End, Cornerback, and Safety are all areas of much greater need for the Chargers. So they waste a 4th round pick in trading up to get a head case, above average but not dominant, player who does not play a position of great need for the Chargers. Dumbest pick in years for the Bolts. Absolutely asinine. Head case? Come on, that is a bit of a stretch. The kid got punked, he was mormon, probably has no social skills with women, he is naive at best, not a head case. Stories around the ND program said he was an on-field and respected locker room leader. Hardly a head case. The other stuff? Unsure, I've not been thinking about Chargers D lately so I have no opinion on that. Agreed. He seems like a good kid, certainly not a punk. I think he had some great moments on the field. The Alabama game, he played terrible.....but again, its ONE game. Where they got him, I have no issue with it.
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Post by aztecryan on Apr 28, 2013 17:46:19 GMT -8
Well said.
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Post by Deja Vu U Monty on Apr 30, 2013 16:53:39 GMT -8
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Post by halfnip on May 1, 2013 9:16:15 GMT -8
Erik, the Phillips move and others are nothing more than the new regime trying to change attitude's not only on the field, but in the locker room. Phillips in particular is widely known to be a pompous douchebag, backed up by his countless nights out downing booze the night before kickoff.
The Chargers were soft and I have no problem with the new guys trying to shake that up by bringing in higher energy and good off the field players to build around. Only time will tell, but what else are we gonna do?
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Post by aztecryan on May 1, 2013 14:40:01 GMT -8
It speaks volumes the free agent deals that Cason struck and Jammer still hasn't struck. Cason got a 1 year deal for 2 million, Jammer still on the market. The Chargers are trying to get younger. And there is plenty to build around. Erik just sadly doesn't see it that way.
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