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Post by mySTRAS on Jan 24, 2013 12:07:39 GMT -8
Some interesting field goal percentages for JF and X:
X: 30% from inside the arc, 43% from beyond
JF: 51% from inside the arc, 26% from beyond
Draw your own conclusions...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 12:08:21 GMT -8
Jamaal's shot selection destroys his percentage.
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Post by survalli on Jan 24, 2013 12:12:57 GMT -8
Jamaal's shot selection destroys his percentage. I'd like to see his transition 3 percentage. X got contacts this year and can see better, its helped his 3point percentage. |
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Post by swagtec on Jan 24, 2013 12:17:49 GMT -8
Fisher gives Jamaal way too much freedom. It sound horrible but at some point you have to give guys specific instructions on what their limitations are. For example, Deshawn and Skylar know not to shoot 3's or dribble up the court after getting a rebound. The coaches need to crack down on Jamaal for his bad shot selections. The do a good job of making sure he gets his touches in the half court. There is no reason for him to take that self created 3 unless he's already made a few that were created for him. If he's hot, let him shoot. If he's not, he should already have been instructed that shooting a ill-advised 3 is not the way to respond to the opponent, make up for a bad play or get himself out of a shooting slump. The way he continues to do so with no remorse makes me believe Fisher says it's okay. If that's the case, you can't blame Jamaal.
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Post by NTU on Jan 24, 2013 12:17:59 GMT -8
X can take the three whenever he has an open shot.....or whenever he feels he can create an open shot.
Jamaal can take the three........like.......never. Okay, maybe not "never," but he should never take one unless the shot clock is winding down, he has a wide open look, and there are no other options.
But this jacking up a three with 30 seconds still on the shot clock has got to stop......like LAST WEEK.
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Post by NTU on Jan 24, 2013 12:19:59 GMT -8
Fisher gives Jamaal way too much freedom. It sound horrible but at some point you have to give guys specific instructions on what their limitations are. For example, Deshawn and Skylar know not to shoot 3's or dribble up the court after getting a rebound. The coaches need to crack down on Jamaal for his bad shot selections. The do a good job of making sure he gets his touches in the half court. There is no reason for him to take that self created 3 unless he's already made a few that were created for him. If he's hot, let him shoot. If he's not, he should already have been instructed that shooting a ill-advised 3 is not the way to respond to the opponent, make up for a bad play or get himself out of a shooting slump. The way he continues to do so with no remorse makes me believe Fisher says it's okay. If that's the case, you can't blame Jamaal. I'll take it a step further: When he starts throwing up those incessant ill advised threes, his ass should get parked on the bench, PRONTO. The problem is that he never gets admonished for taking stupid shots (not that we know of, anyway), and it only serves to encourage him to do it more. |
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Post by survalli on Jan 24, 2013 12:20:07 GMT -8
X can take the three whenever he has an open shot.....or whenever he feels he can create an open shot. Jamaal can take the three........like.......never. Okay, maybe not "never," but he should never take one unless the shot clock is winding down, he has a wide open look, and there are no other options. But this jacking up a three with 30 seconds still on the shot clock has got to stop......like LAST WEEK. would you rather.... Jamaal or Rahon shoot the 3? sorry Jamaal wins games with his 3's. he also rebounds. he has the green light. he is a game changer. you dont tell the guy he cant shoot the 3. |
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Post by survalli on Jan 24, 2013 12:21:29 GMT -8
Fisher gives Jamaal way too much freedom. It sound horrible but at some point you have to give guys specific instructions on what their limitations are. For example, Deshawn and Skylar know not to shoot 3's or dribble up the court after getting a rebound. The coaches need to crack down on Jamaal for his bad shot selections. The do a good job of making sure he gets his touches in the half court. There is no reason for him to take that self created 3 unless he's already made a few that were created for him. If he's hot, let him shoot. If he's not, he should already have been instructed that shooting a ill-advised 3 is not the way to respond to the opponent, make up for a bad play or get himself out of a shooting slump. The way he continues to do so with no remorse makes me believe Fisher says it's okay. If that's the case, you can't blame Jamaal. i remember when people used to dog Leonard on shooting the 3 his soph year...saying he was doing it for the scouts....well look at him now shooting nba threes at 41 percent. let Jamaal be Jamaal. |
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Post by showdora on Jan 24, 2013 12:24:51 GMT -8
Tells me that X will lead our team in scoring next year and will likely play the 2 guard with Win running the point.
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Post by aztecron on Jan 24, 2013 12:29:06 GMT -8
I don't really have an issue with JF shooting the three if it's within the moment and flow of the game.
What I don't like is the three when he has stopped his dribble, while defended, at the arc, fakes a three, fakes again, and then takes the jump shot. No momentum, no rhythm at all, with a hand in his face. Just plain stupid in my opinion.
I don't mind at all his fast break three early in the clock with no defender on him, or a designed three, but to stop his dribble and the pump fake two or three times and then to shoot the three with a defender in his face is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 12:29:51 GMT -8
I don't really have an issue with JF shooting the three if it's within the moment and flow of the game. What I don't like is the three when he has stopped his dribble, while defended, at the arc, fakes a three, fakes again, and then takes the jump shot. No momentum, no rhythm at all, with a hand in his face. Just plain stupid in my opinion. I don't mind at all his fast break three early in the clock with no defender on him, or a designed three, but to stop his dribble and the pump fake two or three times and then to shoot the three with a defender in his face is ridiculous. This is very true |
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Post by halfnip on Jan 24, 2013 12:30:27 GMT -8
Fisher gives Jamaal way too much freedom. It sound horrible but at some point you have to give guys specific instructions on what their limitations are. For example, Deshawn and Skylar know not to shoot 3's or dribble up the court after getting a rebound. The coaches need to crack down on Jamaal for his bad shot selections. The do a good job of making sure he gets his touches in the half court. There is no reason for him to take that self created 3 unless he's already made a few that were created for him. If he's hot, let him shoot. If he's not, he should already have been instructed that shooting a ill-advised 3 is not the way to respond to the opponent, make up for a bad play or get himself out of a shooting slump. The way he continues to do so with no remorse makes me believe Fisher says it's okay. If that's the case, you can't blame Jamaal. I'll take it a step further: When he starts throwing up those incessant ill advised threes, his ass should get parked on the bench, PRONTO. The problem is that he never gets admonished for taking stupid shots (not that we know of, anyway), and it only serves to encourage him to do it more. I have been confused by this for years. But listening to interviews with Fisher and the players, it definitely sounds like Fisher encourages the players to take the shot if they're open regardless of how much time is on the shot clock. Do I agree with it? No. Should players be able to realize when and when not to pull up the forced 3? Yes. But I don't think it's ever been discouraged by the coaching staff... |
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Post by swagtec on Jan 24, 2013 12:41:17 GMT -8
Jamaal's freedom to shoot 3's goes hand in hand with his attitude. He has too much freedom to play and act however he wants out there. Jamaal is allowed to be a junk yard dog. He's loyal to the owner, and protects the property. The problem with that is he bites strangers and pisses and shits all over the place.
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Post by matteosandiego on Jan 24, 2013 12:48:35 GMT -8
Jamaal doesnt always hit three pointers...
But when he does,
He hits game-WINNING three pointers.
Stay Critical my friends.
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Post by NTU on Jan 24, 2013 13:10:25 GMT -8
X can take the three whenever he has an open shot.....or whenever he feels he can create an open shot. Jamaal can take the three........like.......never. Okay, maybe not "never," but he should never take one unless the shot clock is winding down, he has a wide open look, and there are no other options. But this jacking up a three with 30 seconds still on the shot clock has got to stop......like LAST WEEK. would you rather.... Jamaal or Rahon shoot the 3? sorry Jamaal wins games with his 3's. he also rebounds. he has the green light. he is a game changer. you dont tell the guy he cant shoot the 3. Rahon. He's struggling a bit right now, but he has demonstrated the ability to be an absolute sniper from beyond the arc. Just look at what he did as recently as the CSU Fresno game. His problem is that when he's going through a slump like he is right now, he tends to not get fully squared up when taking his shot. That hurts his accuracy. It's easily corrected, though. Jamaal's shot, not so much. |
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Post by missiontrails on Jan 24, 2013 14:52:30 GMT -8
X can take the three whenever he has an open shot.....or whenever he feels he can create an open shot. Jamaal can take the three........like.......never. Okay, maybe not "never," but he should never take one unless the shot clock is winding down, he has a wide open look, and there are no other options. But this jacking up a three with 30 seconds still on the shot clock has got to stop......like LAST WEEK. would you rather.... Jamaal or Rahon shoot the 3? sorry Jamaal wins games with his 3's. he also rebounds. he has the green light. he is a game changer. you dont tell the guy he cant shoot the 3. You say that as if Rahon is the only other option on the team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:09:31 GMT -8
would you rather.... Jamaal or Rahon shoot the 3? sorry Jamaal wins games with his 3's. he also rebounds. he has the green light. he is a game changer. you dont tell the guy he cant shoot the 3. Rahon. He's struggling a bit right now, but he has demonstrated the ability to be an absolute sniper from beyond the arc. Just look at what he did as recently as the CSU Fresno game. His problem is that when he's going through a slump like he is right now, he tends to not get fully squared up when taking his shot. That hurts his accuracy. It's easily corrected, though. Jamaal's shot, not so much. If it was easily corrected then he wouldn't be shooting 31% over the past two seasons. |
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Post by aztec10 on Jan 24, 2013 15:14:58 GMT -8
I wonder what Jamaal's 3PT percentage would be if he didn't take one every time a hand was in his face.
The problem is, he spends 1 millisecond assessing the location of the basket before he jacks it up; and we all know his mind isn't that quick...
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Post by longtimebooster on Jan 24, 2013 15:15:42 GMT -8
Geezus. For the umpteenth time, JF is not a three-point shooter. And he hits game-winning threes? Like when? Oh, you mean the walk-up trey he attempted with about 4 seconds left against CSU? Oh, wait. He clanked that shot. Badly. Fortunately, Tapley bailed us out in OT.
JF is not a good 3-pt. shooter. Never has been. He might yet be a good shooter in the pros if he gets a coach to completely reconstruct his shot like they did with Kawhi.
But until then, he should be doing what he does best -- working the ball inside where he's dangerous and kicking the ball out to our deadly three-point shooters -- Tapley and Thames.
He shouldn't ever have more than three trey attempts per game. It's not rocket science.
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Post by zed on Jan 24, 2013 15:31:53 GMT -8
no more transition 3's for maal! only ctap & X should have the green light at all times.
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