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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:21:43 GMT -8
The team always appears stagnant with 1 player dribbling and everyone else standing around waiting to get the ball next so they can toss up an ill advised 3pt attempt early in the clock. It is appearing to some (me included) that JF and WS are me-first players with bad attitudes that may well be adversely affecting team chemistry. With the poor manner in which the team is playing, perhaps there isn't much to lose with a major shake-up. If X is healthy, start him along with Tapley, Spencer, Stevens and Johnson. In other words go with a conventional line-up and see if they are willing to share the ball, work inside out and get some rebounds, assists and 2nd chance points. If X can't go, have Polee start at the 2 with Tapley at the 1 along with Spencer, Stephens and Johnson. Bring Franklin off the bench as a 6th man spark plug and make Shepherd the 7th man who replaces Tapley and/or anyone else on the floor. I'd be real curious to see what kind of chemistry a line-up with no Franklin and Shepherd would have. I know that on paper it would appear that offense would be lacking but it already is because of a failure to penetrate and share the ball. Give the hard working non-malcontents an opportunity to show what TEAM really means. I know this is out of the box and likely to receive heavy criticism but at this point, it can't really hurt to try. It might also send a message to Franklin and Shepherd to clean up their acts and become better teammates as this is a team sport. Just a thought...
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Post by mrwolf77 on Jan 21, 2013 10:33:53 GMT -8
I'm really looking forward to the SDSU/Lobo games coming up. Not because I expect UNM to win (I don't - you guys could easily sweep us), but I'm curious to see what kind of stupid a$$, bone headed, bush league crap JF and/or WS pull. You know they will pull some bs.
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Post by therealeman on Jan 21, 2013 10:37:02 GMT -8
I'm really looking forward to the SDSU/Lobo games coming up. Not because I expect UNM to win (I don't - you guys could easily sweep us), but I'm curious to see what kind of stupid a$$, bone headed, bush league crap JF and/or WS pull. You know they will pull some bs. I agree with this Hobo. ;D What's the over/under on JF pulling his stop-dribble in the middle of the court while sticking his butt in the air and waiting for a defender to crash into it for a foul?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:38:57 GMT -8
The team always appears stagnant with 1 player dribbling and everyone else standing around waiting to get the ball next so they can toss up an ill advised 3pt attempt early in the clock. It is appearing to some (me included) that JF and WS are me-first players with bad attitudes that may well be adversely affecting team chemistry. With the poor manner in which the team is playing, perhaps there isn't much to lose with a major shake-up. If X is healthy, start him along with Tapley, Spencer, Stevens and Johnson. In other words go with a conventional line-up and see if they are willing to share the ball, work inside out and get some rebounds, assists and 2nd chance points. If X can't go, have Polee start at the 2 with Tapley at the 1 along with Spencer, Stephens and Johnson. Bring Franklin off the bench as a 6th man spark plug and make Shepherd the 7th man who replaces Tapley and/or anyone else on the floor. I'd be real curious to see what kind of chemistry a line-up with no Franklin and Shepherd would have. I know that on paper it would appear that offense would be lacking but it already is because of a failure to penetrate and share the ball. Give the hard working non-malcontents an opportunity to show what TEAM really means. I know this is out of the box and likely to receive heavy criticism but at this point, it can't really hurt to try. It might also send a message to Franklin and Shepherd to clean up their acts and become better teammates as this is a team sport. Just a thought... In what world would that be a conventional lineup? While Winston needs to calm down at points, he is the the only player on our team capable of creating easy shots for his teammates, so calling him a me first non team player is unfair.
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Post by mySTRAS on Jan 21, 2013 10:39:12 GMT -8
I'm really looking forward to the SDSU/Lobo games coming up. Not because I expect UNM to win (I don't - you guys could easily sweep us), but I'm curious to see what kind of stupid a$$, bone headed, bush league crap JF and/or WS pull. You know they will pull some bs. This sucks... because it is true.
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Post by aztectone on Jan 21, 2013 10:45:00 GMT -8
This team is the way it is, because we don't have a legit low post presence.
It is essentially why they will have a hard time getting/advancing past to the sweet 16. We are UNLV or 3 years ago.
We really need Skylar Spencer to hit the weight room and the low block.. We need him to become dominant in the paint next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:49:35 GMT -8
The team always appears stagnant with 1 player dribbling and everyone else standing around waiting to get the ball next so they can toss up an ill advised 3pt attempt early in the clock. It is appearing to some (me included) that JF and WS are me-first players with bad attitudes that may well be adversely affecting team chemistry. With the poor manner in which the team is playing, perhaps there isn't much to lose with a major shake-up. If X is healthy, start him along with Tapley, Spencer, Stevens and Johnson. In other words go with a conventional line-up and see if they are willing to share the ball, work inside out and get some rebounds, assists and 2nd chance points. If X can't go, have Polee start at the 2 with Tapley at the 1 along with Spencer, Stephens and Johnson. Bring Franklin off the bench as a 6th man spark plug and make Shepherd the 7th man who replaces Tapley and/or anyone else on the floor. I'd be real curious to see what kind of chemistry a line-up with no Franklin and Shepherd would have. I know that on paper it would appear that offense would be lacking but it already is because of a failure to penetrate and share the ball. Give the hard working non-malcontents an opportunity to show what TEAM really means. I know this is out of the box and likely to receive heavy criticism but at this point, it can't really hurt to try. It might also send a message to Franklin and Shepherd to clean up their acts and become better teammates as this is a team sport. Just a thought... In what world would that be a conventional lineup? While Winston needs to calm down at points, he is the the only player on our team capable of creating easy shots for his teammates, so calling him a me first non team player is unfair. 2 guards + 3 bigs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:49:41 GMT -8
Not ripping you...but your proposed starting lineup is far from traditional. 2 guards and 3 power forwards might work against a Big 10 team for a stretch, but we would get smoked on defense in the MWC. None of those 3 bigs you list is capable of guarding any of the starting wings in the MWC for more than a possession or two.
Like it or not, Jamaal is one of the best players in the entire country and should always start. I have never disliked our star player more than I do Jamaal, but I also realize how important he is to our success. As he goes, we go. In games where he is terrible, we usually lose. Changes definitely need to be made with our inside game, as Stephens and O'Brien give us 8th and 9th man production.
Aside from that, there is a lot of room for coaching/teaching/discipline with both Jamaal and Shepard. They need to be held accountable for their actions. I dont want to see either of them shake their head at a ref ever again. Its embarrassing. Shepard's technical killed what little glimmer of hope we had and put the game away for good in Wyoming.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 10:51:45 GMT -8
In what world would that be a conventional lineup? While Winston needs to calm down at points, he is the the only player on our team capable of creating easy shots for his teammates, so calling him a me first non team player is unfair. 2 guards + 3 bigs How many teams have two guards and three low post players starting? The spacing for that lineup would be terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 11:30:13 GMT -8
you're probably correct. There would be a problem defensively covering the wings. Perhaps 2 bigs (Spencer-Stephens and then Johnson subbing in for them. Have X, Tapley, (Franklin/Shepherd) to guard opponent wings. I don't know what Polee can do defensively in that situation cuz he just hasn't seen the minutes. So much for this "really deep team" we thought we had b-44 the season started! I'd just like to see what the role-playing team players could do if given an opportunity. I definitely think that Rahon and JJ need to move a couple spots down the bench.
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jan 21, 2013 12:01:58 GMT -8
The open and fee style Fisher and staff allows their team to play with makes them look like geniuses when the team plays well (UCLA) and like the team is poorly coached and undisciplined when things go south (Wyoming). This has always been the case with Fisher coached teams. It's just part of the deal. Typically it is just a rut and the team will get back to moving and passing. Things will be just fine.
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Post by pdraztec on Jan 21, 2013 12:15:38 GMT -8
We presently have many problems with all our bigs.........lack of Offensive rebounding, not boxing out and poor passing skills. Then there is the huge problems of not being able to create their own shots and/or finishing their shots on the glass. Oh, did I mention that none of them can shoot FTs worth a damn. Basically the rest of the team carries the scoring burden and with Rahon struggling, the imbalance is showing big time.
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Post by Old School on Jan 21, 2013 12:28:17 GMT -8
I still miss Billy/Malcolm/Kawhi/Brian. Pogo sticks who could rebound and bang with the best 7 footers in the land.
They were a big part of this program's run to the Sweet 16.
Oldie Out
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Post by alohaboarder on Jan 21, 2013 12:54:36 GMT -8
You are a little bit off with your analysis.
Jamaal Franklin is a beast and teams recognize that. His outside shot isn't dropping like it has in the past. Teams are playing off of him a little and hoping that he drives the lane. Soon as he drives the lane they collapse on him. They don't care if he kicks it out because we all know James Rahon won't knock down anything and Winston hasn't developed his outside shot yet. Chase Tapley has been streaky and Xavier Thames is injured currently. He should be able to drive the lane and drop it off to Obrien for an easy layup once the defense collapses. Well that isn't working out with Obrien missing these easy shots often.
Winston is a first year guy who hasn't developed his jumper. He is still trying to figure out his role and how to compete at the college level. I believe he will be a better player then Jamaal, but won't be Kawhi Leonard level. He also is a player that can easily drive the lane. Once again teams collapse and he has no options. He could kick it out to Jamaal who will have to break down the defense and repeat.
The problem isn't with Jamaal and Winston. The problem lies with our role players. These guys have to play their role and contribute on a nightly basis. Jamaal scored 13 points against Wyoming. 13 points is a solid performance in college basketball. We are used to him dropping 20-25. Chase Tapley has been battling injury and sickness throughout the year but has played good (not great). We need Chase to be great if we are going to win against the good conference opponents.
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Post by matteosandiego on Jan 21, 2013 13:08:27 GMT -8
Not sure how claiming jAMAAL and Shepard are selfish "me first" players is justified. Jamaal knows he can score and does everything in his power to score. If the situation calls for a pass i've seen him make some of the best passes and make others better. Shepard meanwhile is an obvious passer first/shoot later player. Anyone who knows basketball and has watched him play knows this. Next, having spencer, stephens AND johnson on the court at the same time would be ridiculous. What happens with this large lineup when you play against a smaller much quicker lineup? Fisher plays his lineups based on who is most versatile. Guys dont have to stick strictly to their man. With shepard, franklin, o'brien, these guys can guard anyone from the shooting guard to the center in most cases, and switch freely. However i will say O'brien and Stephens have not been putting forth the best defensive/offensive efforts vs their opponents. As i've said time & again, A more conventional lineup would be spencer, stephens, jamaal, tapley & X when healthy. Shepard, o'brien & Rahon are the first off the bench. And Johnson really needs more PT to get acclimated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 14:00:36 GMT -8
Not sure how claiming jAMAAL and Shepard are selfish "me first" players is justified. Jamaal knows he can score and does everything in his power to score. If the situation calls for a pass i've seen him make some of the best passes and make others better. Shepard meanwhile is an obvious passer first/shoot later player. Anyone who knows basketball and has watched him play knows this. Next, having spencer, stephens AND johnson on the court at the same time would be ridiculous. What happens with this large lineup when you play against a smaller much quicker lineup? Fisher plays his lineups based on who is most versatile. Guys dont have to stick strictly to their man. With shepard, franklin, o'brien, these guys can guard anyone from the shooting guard to the center in most cases, and switch freely. However i will say O'brien and Stephens have not been putting forth the best defensive/offensive efforts vs their opponents. As i've said time & again, A more conventional lineup would be spencer, stephens, jamaal, tapley & X when healthy. Shepard, o'brien & Rahon are the first off the bench. And Johnson really needs more PT to get acclimated. I would agree with your lineup provided Franklin and Shephard have their heads screwed on right and aren't taunting opponents and refs.
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Post by cvbigguy on Jan 21, 2013 16:44:35 GMT -8
HMMM..... jf a bad seed? noooo wayyyy....... lol i think i brought this up a couple of weeks ago and got laughed at well lookie here what has happened...... he's proving me right and doesnt have the game to change it for the better. not a leader but a me guy.... bring it on!!!!!
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Post by aztecfankrishnan on Jan 21, 2013 16:51:17 GMT -8
HMMM..... jf a bad seed? noooo wayyyy....... lol i think i brought this up a couple of weeks ago and got laughed at well lookie here what has happened...... he's proving me right and doesnt have the game to change it for the better. not a leader but a me guy.... bring it on!!!!! Dude don't get carried away. This team is still top 30 in the nation and made the tournament last year. Jamaal is one hell of a player. It's been a bad week, but don't go over board. Jamaal and the team will turn it around.
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Post by mrwolf77 on Jan 21, 2013 16:54:12 GMT -8
HMMM..... jf a bad seed? noooo wayyyy....... lol i think i brought this up a couple of weeks ago and got laughed at well lookie here what has happened...... he's proving me right and doesnt have the game to change it for the better. not a leader but a me guy.... bring it on!!!!! I didn't think this was ever in question
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Post by aztecmusician on Jan 21, 2013 18:39:27 GMT -8
The Aztecs are in a mini slump. They will break out of it in a game or two.
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