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Post by Aztec89 on Sept 7, 2010 5:57:54 GMT -8
If the shoe fits, wear it.
And can anybody believe be has the balls to complain about his treatment by the "other side", after what G.W. endured?
The ship is is sinking Captain. Man the life boats. Congressmen and Senators first please.
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 7, 2010 13:32:20 GMT -8
If the shoe fits, wear it. And can anybody believe be has the balls to complain about his treatment by the "other side", after what G.W. endured? The ship is is sinking Captain. Man the life boats. Congressmen and Senators first please. Very clever! If some of those Congressmen and Senators do not go, voters will assist them in November. |
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Post by davdesid on Sept 7, 2010 14:38:32 GMT -8
"A Dog"  He actually thinks people think he is on a par with man's best friend? What an egotist!  |
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Post by davdesid on Sept 7, 2010 15:50:51 GMT -8
More appropriate analogy:  |
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 7, 2010 19:00:34 GMT -8
If the shoe fits, wear it. And can anybody believe be has the balls to complain about his treatment by the "other side", after what G.W. endured? The ship is is sinking Captain. Man the life boats. Congressmen and Senators first please. Can you be a bit more explicit about GW's treatment compared to Obama and Clinton? I certainly said that Bush was a slacker and a former drunk who could not prove that he had been honorably discharched from the military. That was true. Now as to Obama being a Muslim and not born in HI, those are simply GOP lies. There is a difference, you know. Wait, you are a conservative you don't know.  It always amazes me that people who seem intelligent enough to be able to post here can repeat such tall tales about Presidents that are Democrats. Remember, Clinton is a drug dealer that had Foster murdered because he was Chelsea's real father. Wow. So templewest, tell us all about how GW was mistreated. |
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 7, 2010 19:02:23 GMT -8
John, could you explain why you are 99% sure that Obama was not born in HI?
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Post by tuff on Sept 7, 2010 19:35:51 GMT -8
Sounds like he has a little insecurity issue.  |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 7, 2010 19:40:49 GMT -8
Obama was born in Hawaii. The official state document says so. Everybody else who was born at the same time has a similar birth document as that was the way the State did it. I sent to Illinois for my birth certificate after my wife threw mine out along with all of my evaluations from all of my jobs in my entire life. (She thought that they were just old papers that I did not need.) I received the official State of Illinois record. I can not ask for them to give me something else if they do not have it. The state of Illinois made up a fake Birth Certificate for my father. He was born in 1909, but the Birth Certificate was filled out in 1916, seven years after his birth. It was good that they made up the fake copy then, because the attending doctor (Dr. Otto) died a few weeks later from old age. As it was he had trouble signing the fake document. His signature was a mess, but at least it was there.
Come to think of it, my attending physician's signature was a mess, too. That was my Grandfather, Dr. Hubbell. Maybe all doctore have scribbles for signatures???
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 7, 2010 20:49:51 GMT -8
John, could you explain why you are 99% sure that Obama was not born in HI? First, let me say that I don't particularly care at this point because there isn't a damn thing the tea party can do about it. But I think we all know (even those on the left who would be hesitant to admit it) that the guy hasn't exactly shown what you'd call a deep desire to show an actual birth certificate that was printed during at least the decade in which he was born. At this point I hope it's proven that he isn't a u.s. born citizen just to piss off the tea party. EDITED because I forgot to lowercase "u.s." John, may I point out that my "birth certificate" from Ohio merely is a form that says my birth certificate is on page so and so in volume so and so of the county records of the county where I was born. The county seal is impressed into the form. Would that make me not born in the USA? To buy into this "story" you have to believe that the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii is in on this vast conspiracy to lie about Obama's birth. A conspiracy so total that they were foresighted enough to have a birth announcement placed in the Honolulu paper when he was born. How can you give any credence to something so fantastic? |
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Post by aztec70 on Sept 7, 2010 20:53:12 GMT -8
1. Can you be a bit more explicit about GW's treatment compared to Obama and Clinton? 2. I certainly said that Bush was a slacker and a former drunk who could not prove that he had been honorably discharched from the military. I can't speak for anyone else, BUT... 1. People called bush a "chimp" among other things all the time. 2. True that he was a slacker and a former drunk, but his failure to prove honorable discharge is analogous to Obama's failure to prove that he was born in the us. bush was NOT a slacker as president. I've yet to see a slacker hold that job for one day let alone eight years. There's no doubt that he was far from perfect but these guys all do the very best they know how (for better or worse depending on your perspective). The point is, John, the state of Hawaii has provided a birth certificate in the same manner for him as they provide for others born there. It is not difficult to see it on the online. |
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 8, 2010 8:02:21 GMT -8
The birth stuff is total bunk. However, the Muslim stuff is a different story.
The President WAS, according to Muslim law and tradition, born a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. The point of contention is if he was ever raised as a Muslim. He sure wasn't taken to a Mosque in Hawaii. His maternal grandparents sure didn't raise him as a Muslim. He went to two schools while in Indonesia. One a Catholic school, the other a public school. While at the public school he MIGHT HAVE received Muslim religious instruction one hour per week. He also MIGHT HAVE gone to the Mosque with his family on special occasions.
The President has openly admitted that he is Christian and goes to a Christian church. In the Muslim world that makes him apostate, a traitor to the faith. I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of this because it is now the duty of all 'true' Muslims to kill him. If that happened, the person would not be tried for murder in most Muslim countries.
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Post by AztecWilliam on Sept 8, 2010 11:42:53 GMT -8
- Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.
- Our President was, as I said, born in Hawaii. But Obama continues to fuel speculation because he has not, as I understand it, released his "official" birth certificate. He has released a "notice of live birth" or some such. I have one of those for myself; had to request an official certificate a few years ago for business purposes.
- Obama has not released his schools transcripts, either. I wonder why not.
- Obama is not a Muslim, and no GOP elected official or prominent supporter (which category would include people like Mitt Romney and Michael Steele) has ever claimed that he was.
- Sarah Palin may not be in William F. Buckley's class intellectually, but she sure as hell is not brain dead. If we could see how she is doing financially since she resigned, we would all marvel at how a "brain dead" person could have improved her net worth so much in so short a period of time. Palin does not have the polish that the Eastern Establishment requires in order to win their seal of approval (Truman similarly missed that cut), but she has plenty of smarts. If you want to talk about a really stupid public figure, I suggest you consider Barbara Boxer. Now, there is a brain dead politician.
- GW Bush was not a slacker. He successfully learned how to fly a jet fighter, which is no mean feat. Had over 350 hours flying time in a space of a couple of years. When he moved to another state (Alabama? I can't remember) he did not do much because the Air National Guard (ANG) unit there did not operate the kind of plane he was certified to fly. According to a piece I read by someone well informed on ANG ops, that sort of thing (somebody coming in from another unit and not doing much since they were not setup to train the guy on a different type of plane) was quite common.
- By the way, is it true that conservatives who used to have drinking problems are called "former drunks" and liberals in the same situation are called "recovered alcoholics"?
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Post by davdesid on Sept 8, 2010 13:23:22 GMT -8
And by the way, davdesid, I'm just commenting on your words. I don't know that I've met you and despite anyone's politics I do consider myself a pal of all Aztec fans so take my comments above in the spirit of having fun arguing politics. Fair enough. But I posted almost two years ago that after eight years of Bushitler/Chimp, the shoe is now on the other foot and it's the libs turn in the barrel. Also, you're an educated man, and I'm sure you are aware of the insulting caricatures of presidents that appear and have appeared over the past 200+ years, not just on a backwater college board, but in nationwide publications. exemplia gratia:  |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 8, 2010 15:47:57 GMT -8
It is very likely that Obama was born in Hawaii. He had his "Notification of Birth Registration" filed in Hawaii. He claims two different hospitals where the blessed oboma(nable) event occurred. Neither of those hospitals can produce a Dr. or Midwife or Vet who has signed, witnessed or even heard rumors of the birth. He has spent now over a Million Bucks hiding records of his life. What are we to think?
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Post by AlwaysAnAztec on Sept 8, 2010 16:09:35 GMT -8
It is very likely that Obama was born in Hawaii. He had his "Notification of Birth Registration" filed in Hawaii. He claims two different hospitals where the blessed oboma(nable) event occurred. Neither of those hospitals can produce a Dr. or Midwife or Vet who has signed, witnessed or even heard rumors of the birth. He has spent now over a Million Bucks hiding records of his life. What are we to think? Do you REALLY want to know what WE think? ;D |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 8, 2010 16:17:48 GMT -8
It is very likely that Obama was born in Hawaii. He had his "Notification of Birth Registration" filed in Hawaii. He claims two different hospitals where the blessed oboma(nable) event occurred. Neither of those hospitals can produce a Dr. or Midwife or Vet who has signed, witnessed or even heard rumors of the birth. He has spent now over a Million Bucks hiding records of his life. What are we to think? Do you REALLY want to know what WE think? ;D Will some one pick up on the "dog" / "Vet" play? |
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Post by davdesid on Sept 8, 2010 16:28:02 GMT -8
Well, you say:
"I get it. I just don't think it does your cause much good to be as petty as they were for those eight years."
And prior to that you said:
"...take my comments above in the spirit of having fun arguing politics."
I do.
I'm trying to have fun.
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