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Post by azclown on Nov 12, 2012 17:00:32 GMT -8
We've never won the Mountain West and now we are concerned about access to the National Championship game?
Running the Big East will give us a better resume than whats left of the Mountain West so who cares if our seat for consideration is lumped in with other conferences.
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Post by k5james on Nov 12, 2012 19:23:14 GMT -8
The way I look at it, there is really no way the BE should not be ranked higher than the other conferences at the end of the year. Please explain in a little detail "the way [you] look at it." The same way winning the MWC was becoming a de facto AQ slot. We'll be in a vastly superior conference than the rest of the kid's table.
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Post by AztecSports95 on Nov 12, 2012 19:55:27 GMT -8
Nope. It will be exact same as the MWC but at least we will have a lot more money and a better t.v. deal I know, but didn't we ALL think that it would improve our ability to get into the playoff? I know that wasn't the selling point, but I must say I'm disappointed. The additional TV money and exposure will be great, but we're still among the "also rans." No. We didn't. We knew it was changing. The move was primarily about Tv.
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Post by fatmanaztec on Nov 13, 2012 8:42:10 GMT -8
The BE 'conference champion' (the non-big 5 must be the conference champion) should in nearly all cases have a better record/BCS ranking than any of the other conferences.
This is purely from the standpoint that the BE perception at the start of the year is far greater than the remainders so initial rankings will always play a part in the rankings (unless you are Arkansas as noted this year) throughout the season.
By way of a BE 'championship game' there is a marquee factor that the other non-Big 5 conferences will be devoid of benefiting from. Strength of schedule is also in favor of the BE when the computers are involved in the BCS rankings (i.e. look at Florida State, they are 17th in the computers due to the ACC being down this year and their out of conference schedule was lame like usual).
La Tech is a good story, but even with one loss they will not 'rate' as high as a BE school that may have two losses and wins the BE conference championship. Only way for a La Tech or other non-Big 5 conference school to be in the running against the BE would be to run the table and have a win against a big name/highly ranked opponent which is slim to none as to happening.
Mentioned somewhere else, Hawai'i was the lone school that would have broken through under this new format with Boise State having been a consistent crasher along with the occasional existing BE team (i.e. Louisville this year).
Not too many worries about the 'others' as they are still the little sisters of the poor as to TV revenue which BE members are far and above their levels as the new format of six 'access' bowls is not going to be the sole lifeblood of the BE conference or schools on a year over year basis, it is just additional icing on the proverbial cake.
So DAMN glad to be out of the MWC as it and the 'others' are going to struggle mightily to survive and will need to increase their dose of 'body bag' games to keep their budgets close to in balance. With 'body bag' games soon to be a staple for the 'other's the likelihood of a higher ranking than a BE member greatly diminishes.
Better to be the 'lead dog' in the non-Big 5 group than an also ran hoping for the immaculate record to breathe sufficient life into the school/league so as to live another day.
Just sayin...
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Post by therealeman on Nov 13, 2012 9:34:09 GMT -8
The way I look at it, there is really no way the BE should not be ranked higher than the other conferences at the end of the year. Please explain in a little detail "the way [you] look at it." fatmanaztec did most of the in depth explaining but in response to your question, I will rehash some of it. If you include Boise State in the BE football lineup that will exist in 2014, then the BE champion would of been selected to one of the six bowls 8 of the last 10 years. Strength of schedule will also be in our favor, I believe. Although we don't know how the selection committee will choose the four team playoff, we do know that strength of schedule will be a factor in their decision. With the BE being "perceived" as being the strongest conference of the "other five" or whatever it's called now, teams from the top 5 conferences will more than likely choose BE team's to fill their OOC schedules, and because the BE now has teams across all times zones, it will be easier to do. BYU. I know we hate these guys but the reality is that they bring some value to the table. You think the BE has it bad in this new playoff system? NOPE. BYU does because they are not even considered to be part of the "other five" in this new system. What does that mean? It means that today, it looks more likely that BYU will join the BE than it did yesterday, increasing the BE's appeal. It may even force Navy to join in 2014 instead of 2015.
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Post by sdsustoner on Nov 13, 2012 9:59:06 GMT -8
I seriously suggest you people boycott ESPN. They've single handily destroyed College sports being the puppet master behind all of this BCS bull$#!+. ^^^^ This They've also shaped a negative view of the Big East.
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Post by theshow on Nov 13, 2012 11:32:47 GMT -8
I seriously suggest you people boycott ESPN. They've single handily destroyed College sports being the puppet master behind all of this BCS bull$#!+. I feel you man, but with MNF, NFL Live, sportscenter, and the 30 for 30 series on their airwaves, it'll be easier to kick a heroin addiction.
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Post by retiredaztec on Nov 14, 2012 11:12:12 GMT -8
Reality check: LATech is 9-1, one loss to Texas A&M and two games remaining against Utah State and San Jose State. Given this scenario in the future, if they were to win out and complete against a one loss BE team for the coveted spot, who would win out? Louisville, because they're ranked higher. At the moment these are the top two non-elite conference schools, LAtech ranked just behind Loo-AH-ville. Not a lot of margin for error. (Let me say, I am standing down regarding my concerns with State football joining the BE. I figure, after putting up with years of losing seasons, (and that may come in handy down the road, we'll see), and Chuck Long, as well as not giving up the valuable friendships I've gained over the years following Aztec football, I need to accept the reality of this change. Though I will continue to support Aztec football, I'll only wear Aztec Alumni gear.. ). All that said, my point in the first statement is, though I believe the billionaire suits are giving the BE a, "there, there, see? You can still play with the big boys, you just gotta have the best team among the loser conferences"), as had been discussed on another thread, the college powers will believe they no longer have any opposition to any future changes they would feel appropriate to enhance their product. The rest of the "have nots" will have to be content with picking the scraps. It totally sucks, but it's the new reality. (And of course, lest I deny my hypocrisy, I'll no doubt happily attend Utah, TCU and BYU games when the opportunity arises..)
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Post by k5james on Nov 14, 2012 11:31:35 GMT -8
Louisville, because they're ranked higher. At the moment these are the top two non-elite conference schools, LAtech ranked just behind Loo-AH-ville. Not a lot of margin for error. (Let me say, I am standing down regarding my concerns with State football joining the BE. I figure, after putting up with years of losing seasons, (and that may come in handy down the road, we'll see), and Chuck Long, as well as not giving up the valuable friendships I've gained over the years following Aztec football, I need to accept the reality of this change. Though I will continue to support Aztec football, I'll only wear Aztec Alumni gear.. ). All that said, my point in the first statement is, though I believe the billionaire suits are giving the BE a, "there, there, see? You can still play with the big boys, you just gotta have the best team among the loser conferences"), as had been discussed on another thread, the college powers will believe they no longer have any opposition to any future changes they would feel appropriate to enhance their product. The rest of the "have nots" will have to be content with picking the scraps. It totally sucks, but it's the new reality. (And of course, lest I deny my hypocrisy, I'll no doubt happily attend Utah, TCU and BYU games when the opportunity arises..) Who cares?
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Post by Boise Aztec on Nov 14, 2012 12:15:52 GMT -8
The BE 'conference champion' (the non-big 5 must be the conference champion) should in nearly all cases have a better record/BCS ranking than any of the other conferences. This is purely from the standpoint that the BE perception at the start of the year is far greater than the remainders so initial rankings will always play a part in the rankings (unless you are Arkansas as noted this year) throughout the season. By way of a BE 'championship game' there is a marquee factor that the other non-Big 5 conferences will be devoid of benefiting from. Strength of schedule is also in favor of the BE when the computers are involved in the BCS rankings (i.e. look at Florida State, they are 17th in the computers due to the ACC being down this year and their out of conference schedule was lame like usual). La Tech is a good story, but even with one loss they will not 'rate' as high as a BE school that may have two losses and wins the BE conference championship. Only way for a La Tech or other non-Big 5 conference school to be in the running against the BE would be to run the table and have a win against a big name/highly ranked opponent which is slim to none as to happening. Mentioned somewhere else, Hawai'i was the lone school that would have broken through under this new format with Boise State having been a consistent crasher along with the occasional existing BE team (i.e. Louisville this year). Not too many worries about the 'others' as they are still the little sisters of the poor as to TV revenue which BE members are far and above their levels as the new format of six 'access' bowls is not going to be the sole lifeblood of the BE conference or schools on a year over year basis, it is just additional icing on the proverbial cake. So DAMN glad to be out of the MWC as it and the 'others' are going to struggle mightily to survive and will need to increase their dose of 'body bag' games to keep their budgets close to in balance. With 'body bag' games soon to be a staple for the 'other's the likelihood of a higher ranking than a BE member greatly diminishes. Better to be the 'lead dog' in the non-Big 5 group than an also ran hoping for the immaculate record to breathe sufficient life into the school/league so as to live another day. Just sayin... This! Plus there is the opportunity to prove that we are better than the ACC, which we will be, and have the deal reflect us into the big six again. It might take five years, but it won't happen at all, ever, for any of the other leagues...
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Post by aztecgold on Nov 14, 2012 19:05:03 GMT -8
Exactly. I would think a 1 loss Big East champion would be the highest ranked team of these 5 conferences almost every year as well. This is pretty much the Big East's BCS bid to lose. Not happy about the revenue inequalities, but its a better system then it was before. If the Big East continues to outperform the ACC, I'm curious what type of pressure/leverage it would be able to exert to get its own BCS bid too down the road? I will say, this doesn't really help the Big East keep teams such as Louisville, Rutgers and Cincinnati from jumping ship to a true BCS league, but protects a bit when/if they leave the conference. I think that risk of flight is the real reason the Big East lost its automatic bid. Reality check: LATech is 9-1, one loss to Texas A&M and two games remaining against Utah State and San Jose State. Given this scenario in the future, if they were to win out and complete against a one loss BE team for the coveted spot, who would win out? Not saying BE wouldn't, but it's this kind of scenario, (yes, even a MW team), that could conceivably undermine anything less than an undefeated BE team. It is, what it is. BE because now we have East Coast Bias in our favor. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 19:41:30 GMT -8
BE because now we have East Coast Bias in our favor. ;D Thats nothing to sneeze at. We start winning-and beating these teams in the east, and people WILL take notice- a la Boise State.
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Post by aztecfan1 on Nov 14, 2012 20:54:42 GMT -8
Does not mean we can't do well down the road. What a difference going from $800k to $8 million annually will make to the program, all sports in fact.
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