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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 4, 2010 5:32:03 GMT -8
GOING UP! Food Stamps Went to Record 41.3 Million in June The number of Americans receiving food stamps rose to a record 41.3 million in June as the jobless rate hovered near a 27-year high, the government said. Recipients of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program subsidies for food purchases jumped 18 percent from a year earlier and increased 1.2 percent from May, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said today in a statement on its website. Participation has set records for 19 straight months. About 40.5 million people, more than an eighth of the population, will get food stamps each month in the year that began Oct. 1, according to White House estimates. The figure is projected to rise to 43.3 million in 2011. www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-02/food-stamps-went-to-record-41-3-million-in-june-usda-says.html%22 |
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Post by waztec on Sept 4, 2010 6:38:42 GMT -8
GOING UP! Food Stamps Went to Record 41.3 Million in June The number of Americans receiving food stamps rose to a record 41.3 million in June as the jobless rate hovered near a 27-year high, the government said. Recipients of Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program subsidies for food purchases jumped 18 percent from a year earlier and increased 1.2 percent from May, the U.S. Department of Agriculture said today in a statement on its website. Participation has set records for 19 straight months. About 40.5 million people, more than an eighth of the population, will get food stamps each month in the year that began Oct. 1, according to White House estimates. The figure is projected to rise to 43.3 million in 2011. www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-02/food-stamps-went-to-record-41-3-million-in-june-usda-says.html%2240.5 million people who need help to buy food. . . I would like someone to show me one country that has become more economically successful by increasing the distance between the rich and the poor. I would also like someone to prove that our economy has improved since the 50s, when the divide was much less severe. |
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 4, 2010 7:10:39 GMT -8
I would also like someone to prove that our economy has improved since the 50s, when the divide was much less severe. The divide was less severe in a lot of ways. I wonder whether nonwhites really have it better today than they did in the 50's, even given the institutional racism that was far more prevalent in those days. JYP....you have got yo be joking  Do you know what was happening to blacks in the south in the 50's? |
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Post by rolf tomato on Sept 4, 2010 7:13:50 GMT -8
And if those in my family who "need help to buy food" are any indication, most of them probably have the latest ipods and full-service cable TV. They also have newer cars than I do. Out-weigh you by about 300 pounds too!   |
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 4, 2010 7:19:08 GMT -8
JYP....you have got yo be joking Do you know what was happening to blacks in the south in the 50's? Of course. I'm wondering whether nonwhites were better off financially in the 50's. probably depends on ethnicity. |
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Post by waztec on Sept 4, 2010 7:19:44 GMT -8
JYP....you have got yo be joking Do you know what was happening to blacks in the south in the 50's? Of course. I'm wondering whether nonwhites were better off financially in the 50's. The answer to that is certainly no. I lived in the South for a couple of years in the fifties. I would argue, though that their lot has not improved nearly as much as it should have given our increasing "enlightenment". |
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 4, 2010 7:39:31 GMT -8
The answer to that is certainly no. I lived in the South for a couple of years in the fifties. I would argue, thought that their lot has not improved nearly as much as it should have given our increasing "enlightenment". You're limiting the united states to the south. I don't even count the south as part of the u.s. My parents had black neighbors who owned their homes right here in California. In Pacific Beach. Somehow, for whatever reasons, the notion almost seems preposterous today. JYP, I grew up in the Bay Area in the late 50's Early 60's.. probably 80% of the population did not consider blacks as equal. James Brown was extremely scary to most white parents... like night and day back then....a different world in race relations |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 5, 2010 6:51:42 GMT -8
The divide was less severe in a lot of ways. I wonder whether nonwhites really have it better today than they did in the 50's, even given the institutional racism that was far more prevalent in those days. JYP....you have got yo be joking Do you know what was happening to blacks in the south in the 50's? There was a lot of assisted suicide in the deep south, even for those who did not want to die. A very frightening place to live if you were a minority. I was growing up in Hyde Park Chicago from 1953 to 1958 when I was in Kindergarten through the Fourth Grade. In Kindergarten there was one black in my class. By fourth grade the class was half black. The public school that I attended was in an area where the ethnicity rapidly changed in five years. Almost all of those Blacks were from the Deep South. Their Black mothers did not want their children to associate with Whites. I was the only white kid who played with Black Friends and even went into their houses. I had lived in Samoa from the age of three to the age of five, and people of color held no fear factor for me. They were just other people to me. Sadly, none of the Black Kids would dare enter my house (Actually my grandfather's house as my mother had divorced my father and had moved back in with her father who was a well to do Doctor in Hyde Park.) They had been well indoctrinated by their families never to trust White People. My best friend in second grade was a Black kid, whose mother used to call me "That White Kid Who Don't Know He's White." I had blond hair and blue eyes and really stuck out in the black housing areas. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 5, 2010 7:16:00 GMT -8
JYP....you have got yo be joking Do you know what was happening to blacks in the south in the 50's? Of course. I'm wondering whether nonwhites were better off financially in the 50's. I don't like to think in those race terms. I know that I am better off than my parents were in the 1950's, but it is inspite of the decay in our econmy and moral fiber since that time. |
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Post by waztec on Sept 5, 2010 7:32:24 GMT -8
Of course. I'm wondering whether nonwhites were better off financially in the 50's. I don't like to think in those race terms. I know that I am better off than my parents were in the 1950's, but it is inspite of the decay in our econmy and moral fiber since that time. The decay in our economy has occurred in tandem with the increase in income bifurcation. The morality of this country has not changed in my opinion. The things happening now were happening in the 1950s. I am a little better off than my parents. But then again, my wife has to work, my mother didn't. |
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 5, 2010 7:41:52 GMT -8
Of course. I'm wondering whether nonwhites were better off financially in the 50's. I don't like to think in those race terms. I know that I am better off than my parents were in the 1950's, but it is inspite of the decay in our econmy and moral fiber since that time. Win are you sure about "moral decay"? Remember fire hoses and dogs put on blacks in the south? White & black bathroooms? Do you really believe it was an "Ozzie & Harriet" world back then? If you beat up your wife or drove drunk back then, the cops would usually take you aside and just have a talk with you. Think priests and other leaders were not abusing their flocks back then? My mother grew up in a Catholic school and she has stories about the nuns that would raise your hair. I already mentioned in another post about the one suspected gay guy at my high school and what happened to him when about 30 guys from the football team isolated him in the locker room one afternoon. Even in the early 70's, nothing happened to the palyers after they kicked the sh** out of the guy. I bet going into many (not all) major inner cities in the US is actually safer than it was in the late 50's. Crime rates are actually down the last 10 years in the US. So you can have an idyllic view of the late 50's in the US.... bad things that were happening socially were jut not reported like they are today. Of course the environment was much better in most places then...only because the pressure was about 1 / 20th of what it is today. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 5, 2010 8:54:32 GMT -8
I don't like to think in those race terms. I know that I am better off than my parents were in the 1950's, but it is inspite of the decay in our econmy and moral fiber since that time. Win are you sure about "moral decay"? Remember fire hoses and dogs put on blacks in the south? White & black bathroooms? Do you really believe it was an "Ozzie & Harriet" world back then? If you beat up your wife or drove drunk back then, the cops would usually take you aside and just have a talk with you. Think priests and other leaders were not abusing their flocks back then? My mother grew up in a Catholic school and she has stories about the nuns that would raise your hair. I already mentioned in another post about the one suspected gay guy at my high school and what happened to him when about 30 guys from the football team isolated him in the locker room one afternoon. Even in the early 70's, nothing happened to the palyers after they kicked the sh** out of the guy. I bet going into many (not all) major inner cities in the US is actually safer than it was in the late 50's. Crime rates are actually down the last 10 years in the US. So you can have an idyllic view of the late 50's in the US.... bad things that were happening socially were jut not reported like they are today. Of course the environment was much better in most places then...only because the pressure was about 1 / 20th of what it is today. I disagree almost on all points. I do know that race relations were deplorable then. We now have much better laws, but people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have a vested interest in keeping tension high for their personal gain. In that respect it is much worse. I grew up in a small town in Northwest Montana where it was a lot like depicted in "Ozzie and Harriet" or "Father Knows Best". I also have to say that the environment has suffered even up there. It is not just pollution, but bad decisions made by those who are supposed to help. Kokonee and Dolly varden are just about gone because of those dumb heads. As far as conditions in parts inner cities is concerned, I think it is much worse know at least from the way I remember parts of LA, Oakland and San Francisco. I don't know how Newark or Camden could have been worse back then compared to today. I had not been to those last two cities until the last 20 years or so. |
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Post by uwaztec on Sept 5, 2010 10:18:05 GMT -8
Win are you sure about "moral decay"? Remember fire hoses and dogs put on blacks in the south? White & black bathroooms? Do you really believe it was an "Ozzie & Harriet" world back then? If you beat up your wife or drove drunk back then, the cops would usually take you aside and just have a talk with you. Think priests and other leaders were not abusing their flocks back then? My mother grew up in a Catholic school and she has stories about the nuns that would raise your hair. I already mentioned in another post about the one suspected gay guy at my high school and what happened to him when about 30 guys from the football team isolated him in the locker room one afternoon. Even in the early 70's, nothing happened to the players after they kicked the sh** out of the guy. I bet going into many (not all) major inner cities in the US is actually safer than it was in the late 50's. Crime rates are actually down the last 10 years in the US. So you can have an idyllic view of the late 50's in the US.... bad things that were happening socially were jut not reported like they are today. Of course the environment was much better in most places then...only because the pressure was about 1 / 20th of what it is today. I disagree almost on all points. I do know that race relations were deplorable then. We now have much better laws, but people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have a vested interest in keeping tension high for their personal gain. In that respect it is much worse. I grew up in a small town in Northwest Montana where it was a lot like depicted in "Ozzie and Harriet" or "Father Knows Best". I also have to say that the environment has suffered even up there. It is not just pollution, but bad decisions made by those who are supposed to help. Kokonee and Dolly varden are just about gone because of those dumb heads. As far as conditions in parts inner cities is concerned, I think it is much worse know at least from the way I remember parts of LA, Oakland and San Francisco. I don't know how Newark or Camden could have been worse back then compared to today. I had not been to those last two cities until the last 20 years or so. rose colored glasses Win. Again, things like beating your wife and drunk driving were almost accepted back then. A bunch of bad stuff happened, it just wasn't reported. If you got the crap kicked out of you at school..there was almost no recourse. When I was a kid and your parents had a party, almost everybody smoked and more than a couple people got absolutely $#!+ faced. These days, if somebody gets really drunk at a party with people over 40 years old or so, it is considered an abbe ration and an embarrassment. Again, gay people were very far into the closet, or they would get beat up for sure. When I was in high school, a few of the tough football players would go to San Francisco on weekends to "kick the $#!+" out of fags just for fun. You just don't see that today. Yes, some things are worse, but this thing about how much more moral it was back then is just bogus. When I was in high school (68-72), I think my chances of getting jumped in San Fran or Oakland were higher then than they are now. If the morals have gone down so much, why has the crime rate gone down so much in the last 10-15 years? Why can't you admit this is just about two issues versus the 50's.... abortion and gays. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 5, 2010 10:58:11 GMT -8
I disagree almost on all points. I do know that race relations were deplorable then. We now have much better laws, but people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have a vested interest in keeping tension high for their personal gain. In that respect it is much worse. I grew up in a small town in Northwest Montana where it was a lot like depicted in "Ozzie and Harriet" or "Father Knows Best". I also have to say that the environment has suffered even up there. It is not just pollution, but bad decisions made by those who are supposed to help. Kokonee and Dolly varden are just about gone because of those dumb heads. As far as conditions in parts inner cities is concerned, I think it is much worse know at least from the way I remember parts of LA, Oakland and San Francisco. I don't know how Newark or Camden could have been worse back then compared to today. I had not been to those last two cities until the last 20 years or so. rose colored glasses Win. Again, things like beating your wife and drunk driving were almost accepted back then. A bunch of bad stuff happened, it just wasn't reported. If you got the crap kicked out of you at school..there was almost no recourse. When I was a kid and your parents had a party, almost everybody smoked and more than a couple people got absolutely $#!+ faced. These days, if somebody gets really drunk at a party with people over 40 years old or so, it is considered an abbe ration and an embarrassment. Again, gay people were very far into the closet, or they would get beat up for sure. When I was in high school, a few of the tough football players would go to San Francisco on weekends to "kick the $#!+" out of fags just for fun. You just don't see that today. Yes, some things are worse, but this thing about how much more moral it was back then is just bogus. When I was in high school (68-72), I think my chances of getting jumped in San Fran or Oakland were higher then than they are now. If the morals have gone down so much, why has the crime rate gone down so much in the last 10-15 years? Why can't you admit this is just about two issues versus the 50's.... abortion and gays. We will never agree on the part of the argument that talks about gays and on some other things. First, my experience was 15 years earlier and in different parts of the country and probably different parts of San Francisco. I hung out near my brothers house in the Marina District and in Japanese Town. In the East Bay, I would go to my Grandma's place on the Bay near El Cerrito. (San Pablo Sports Club was what I think it was called. It was a peninsula just north of Bay Meadows.) My view on things like gays in general are much different as well. I have no tolerance at all toward those people. I am glad that you and I come closer to having the same concerns about the outdoors. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 5, 2010 15:33:54 GMT -8
My view on things like gays in general are much different as well. I have no tolerance at all toward those people. I am glad that you and I come closer to having the same concerns about the outdoors. You have to be taught to hate. I was in the Navy for a dozen years. Almost all the Yeomen and Personnelmen that I met were gay. Yet, they were some of the nicest guys I ever met. I was perfectly willing to accept that God made them different than guys like me. They posed no threat to me because of their lifestyle. I have had many friends over the years who were gay, including guys I worked with at Pacific Bell. They can not change what they are, just like I could not stop womanizing when I was young. If you think they chose to be gay, you are nutz. They were born that way. In high school it was easy to see that they were different from the regular guys. It was not affected behavior. They just were different. You can try to shame them into pretending that they are normal. Invariably if they have religion pounded into their heads day after day and month after month and year after year. you might even get them to marry and start a family, but they almost always fall away from that phony life eventually. For their sake I am glad that they can come out of the closet and just be themselves. It is no fun living a lie. |
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Post by waztec on Sept 5, 2010 16:03:32 GMT -8
My view on things like gays in general are much different as well. I have no tolerance at all toward those people. I am glad that you and I come closer to having the same concerns about the outdoors. You have to be taught to hate. I was in the Navy for a dozen years. Almost all the Yeomen and Personnelmen that I met were gay. Yet, they were some of the nicest guys I ever met. I was perfectly willing to accept that God made them different than guys like me. They posed no threat to me because of their lifestyle. I have had many friends over the years who were gay, including guys I worked with at Pacific Bell. They can not change what they are, just like I could not stop womanizing when I was young. If you think they chose to be gay, you are nutz. They were born that way. In high school it was easy to see that they were different from the regular guys. It was not affected behavior. They just were different. You can try to shame them into pretending that they are normal. Invariably if they have religion pounded into their heads day after day and month after month and year after year. you might even get them to marry and start a family, but they almost always fall away from that phony life eventually. For their sake I am glad that they can come out of the closet and just be themselves. It is no fun living a lie. My mother had to take a lie detector test to work as a clerk for a three letter government agency (in 1946), failed it and nearly lost the job opportunity, because she knew a homosexual. Think of the stress that caused the gay person. Discrimination of gays is just dumb. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 5, 2010 18:56:17 GMT -8
My view on things like gays in general are much different as well. I have no tolerance at all toward those people. I am glad that you and I come closer to having the same concerns about the outdoors. You have to be taught to hate. I was in the Navy for a dozen years. Almost all the Yeomen and Personnelmen that I met were gay. Yet, they were some of the nicest guys I ever met. I was perfectly willing to accept that God made them different than guys like me. They posed no threat to me because of their lifestyle. I have had many friends over the years who were gay, including guys I worked with at Pacific Bell. They can not change what they are, just like I could not stop womanizing when I was young. If you think they chose to be gay, you are nutz. They were born that way. In high school it was easy to see that they were different from the regular guys. It was not affected behavior. They just were different. You can try to shame them into pretending that they are normal. Invariably if they have religion pounded into their heads day after day and month after month and year after year. you might even get them to marry and start a family, but they almost always fall away from that phony life eventually. For their sake I am glad that they can come out of the closet and just be themselves. It is no fun living a lie. There is a difference beteeen not having any tolerance because they give me the "willies" and any kind of hate. They are just distasteful to me. It may be a learned trait, but it is there and I don't care to change. Keep it to yourself and don't flaunt it and it is fine. |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 5, 2010 18:59:18 GMT -8
You have to be taught to hate. I was in the Navy for a dozen years. Almost all the Yeomen and Personnelmen that I met were gay. Yet, they were some of the nicest guys I ever met. I was perfectly willing to accept that God made them different than guys like me. They posed no threat to me because of their lifestyle. I have had many friends over the years who were gay, including guys I worked with at Pacific Bell. They can not change what they are, just like I could not stop womanizing when I was young. If you think they chose to be gay, you are nutz. They were born that way. In high school it was easy to see that they were different from the regular guys. It was not affected behavior. They just were different. You can try to shame them into pretending that they are normal. Invariably if they have religion pounded into their heads day after day and month after month and year after year. you might even get them to marry and start a family, but they almost always fall away from that phony life eventually. For their sake I am glad that they can come out of the closet and just be themselves. It is no fun living a lie. My mother had to take a lie detector test to work as a clerk for a three letter government agency (in 1946), failed it and nearly lost the job opportunity, because she knew a homosexual. Think of the stress that caused the gay person. Discrimination of gays is just dumb. If what you are saying is that giving a truthful answer would have disqualified her then that agency was dead wrong. |
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Post by The Great Aztec Joe on Sept 6, 2010 20:19:17 GMT -8
You have to be taught to hate. I was in the Navy for a dozen years. Almost all the Yeomen and Personnelmen that I met were gay. Yet, they were some of the nicest guys I ever met. I was perfectly willing to accept that God made them different than guys like me. They posed no threat to me because of their lifestyle. I have had many friends over the years who were gay, including guys I worked with at Pacific Bell. They can not change what they are, just like I could not stop womanizing when I was young. If you think they chose to be gay, you are nutz. They were born that way. In high school it was easy to see that they were different from the regular guys. It was not affected behavior. They just were different. You can try to shame them into pretending that they are normal. Invariably if they have religion pounded into their heads day after day and month after month and year after year. you might even get them to marry and start a family, but they almost always fall away from that phony life eventually. For their sake I am glad that they can come out of the closet and just be themselves. It is no fun living a lie. There is a difference beteeen not having any tolerance because they give me the "willies" and any kind of hate. They are just distasteful to me. It may be a learned trait, but it is there and I don't care to change. Keep it to yourself and don't flaunt it and it is fine. Distasteful? ? My Gawd, Win, what the 'ell have you been up to? |
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Post by aztecwin on Sept 7, 2010 13:15:48 GMT -8
There is a difference beteeen not having any tolerance because they give me the "willies" and any kind of hate. They are just distasteful to me. It may be a learned trait, but it is there and I don't care to change. Keep it to yourself and don't flaunt it and it is fine. Distasteful? ? My Gawd, Win, what the 'ell have you been up to? Don't get the wrong idea, Joe. I have not been up to anything. The mere thought of what those people must do is enough to make me sick. I will admit that I may have some Lesbian tendencies.  |
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Do you know what was happening to blacks in the south in the 50's?
